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Post 9/11 dragnet turns up surprises; Biometrics link foreign detainees to arrests in U.S.
MSNBC ^
| July 6, 2008
| Ellen Nakashima
Posted on 07/06/2008 6:18:26 AM PDT by John W
In the six-and-a-half years that the U.S. government has been fingerprinting insurgents, detainees and ordinary people in Afghanistan, Iraq and the Horn of Africa, hundreds have turned out to share an unexpected background, FBI and military officials said. They have criminal arrest records in the United States.
There was the suspected militant fleeing Somalia who had been arrested on a drug charge in New Jersey. And the man stopped at a checkpoint in Tikrit who claimed to be a dirt farmer but had 11 felony charges in the United States, including assault with a deadly weapon.
The records suggest that potential enemies abroad know a great deal about the United States because many of them have lived here, officials said. The matches also reflect the power of sharing data across agencies and even countries, data that links an identity to a distinguishing human characteristic such as a fingerprint.
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; biometrics; crimaliens; enemycombatant; fingerprints; immigrantlist; immigration; jihadinamerica; terrorists; visas; wot
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posted on
07/06/2008 6:18:26 AM PDT
by
John W
To: John W
BUMP FOR TRUTH:
"The records suggest that potential enemies abroad know a
great deal about the United States because many of them have lived here, officials said

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posted on
07/06/2008 6:22:58 AM PDT
by
Diogenesis
(Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
To: John W
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posted on
07/06/2008 6:25:50 AM PDT
by
Mojave
To: Diogenesis
I cringe every time I see that picture Diogenesis. Both of my “esteemed” senators chuckling with Ted. Grrr.
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posted on
07/06/2008 6:26:47 AM PDT
by
doodad
To: John W
They have criminal arrest records in the United States. Ugh... this is even more of a reason to shoot these people on site when they are captured trying to attack our troops. I guarantee you the Democrat party and the rest of the sleazy anti-USA left will jump on the opportunity to have these scum extradited back to the USA to face criminal charges.
Of course, they will bail them out of jail the second they get off the plane.
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posted on
07/06/2008 6:27:48 AM PDT
by
pnh102
(Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
To: doodad
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” —George Orwell
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posted on
07/06/2008 6:30:15 AM PDT
by
Mojave
To: John W
OK. Who has the pool on which Libtard is going to put forward a bill outlawing linkage of information gathered overseas to domestic crime? I've got dibs on Dennis Kucinich.
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posted on
07/06/2008 6:44:39 AM PDT
by
Ukiapah Heep
(Shoes for Industry!)
To: John W
The matches also reflect the power of sharing data across agencies and even countries...This sharing of data is the very thing that the Jamie Gorelick' wall was designed to stop. This sharing of data is precisely the kind of thing that the rats have been opposing since day one.
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posted on
07/06/2008 6:48:59 AM PDT
by
SunTzuWu
To: SunTzuWu
“Already, fingerprints lifted off a bomb fragment have been linked to people trying to enter the United States, they said.
In a separate data-sharing program, 365 Iraqis who have applied to the Department of Homeland Security for refugee status have been denied because their fingerprints turned up in the Defense Department’s database of known or suspected terrorists, Richardson said.”
To: John W
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posted on
07/06/2008 7:13:50 AM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
To: SE Mom; Bahbah; trooprally
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posted on
07/06/2008 7:18:07 AM PDT
by
STARWISE
(They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
To: John W
So what are we doing in our foreign expeditionary engagements in various localities around the world is not war at all, it is an extraterritorial criminal search.
Interesting. Roundup and prosecution of wanted fugitives.
Next thing you know, there will be a certain faction in this country that will want to prosecute these captives as common street thugs, not the war criminals they are.
The definition of war criminal applies only to elected and appointed Bush Administration officials.
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posted on
07/06/2008 7:23:10 AM PDT
by
alloysteel
(A taxpayer voting for Obama - is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.)
To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
In a separate data-sharing program, 365 Iraqis who have applied to the Department of Homeland Security for refugee status have been denied because their fingerprints turned up in the Defense Departments database of known or suspected terrorists, Richardson said. So as a result we can expect the Dems to quickly sponsor legislation written by the ACLU making such data sharing illegal.
To: Ukiapah Heep
To: Ukiapah Heep
My money’s on Russ Feingold.
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posted on
07/06/2008 8:15:54 AM PDT
by
milky
To: John W
Why am I not surprised. Criminals around the world dream of the opportunity to come to the United States where the people are comparatively wealthy, disarmed by their government, and easy prey.
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posted on
07/06/2008 8:27:43 AM PDT
by
DJ Taylor
(Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
To: SunTzuWu
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posted on
07/06/2008 8:29:29 AM PDT
by
Diogenesis
(Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
To: John W
To you too, buddy.
To: John W
It’s only a short minute before they start blaming the local American cop for terrorism.
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posted on
07/06/2008 9:14:48 AM PDT
by
donna
(We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
To: John W
That’s why the Patriot Act is NECESSARY.
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posted on
07/06/2008 9:17:49 AM PDT
by
FocusNexus
("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
To: John W
I’m looking forward to say ten years from now, when the books are written and stuff is declassified, to see all the effective foreign policies measures this administration has done in secret. From a political standpoint, it would be nice if this stuff could have been publicized more but I guess that’s the price of effective security measures.
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posted on
07/06/2008 9:38:15 AM PDT
by
garbanzo
(Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“...suspected terrorists...”
Uh, oh. That means we’ll have to bring them here for trial and release them on their own recognizance while they’re waiting...
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posted on
07/06/2008 9:44:38 AM PDT
by
PLMerite
("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
To: alloysteel
“
Next thing you know, there will be a certain faction in this country
that will want to prosecute these captives as common street thugs,
not the war criminals they are.
“
Not “there will be”...there already is.
At least that’s the opinion of Andrew McCarthy, the Federal prosecutor
that bagged the blind Sheik and his band that did the first WTC bombing
in 1993.
In his interview with Hugh Hewitt on BookTV, (in so many words)
he says that the idea of “criminal” prosecutions of these war criminals
is sneaking back into the Federal prosecuting power-structure.
You can watch the interview by going to the page below and searching
with the title of Willful Blindness in the book box.
(with dial-up, you can get decent audio with a jumpy series of images)
http://www.booktv.org/search.aspx
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posted on
07/06/2008 9:49:21 AM PDT
by
VOA
To: John W
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posted on
07/06/2008 10:10:16 AM PDT
by
Uncle Miltie
(McCain / Kerry '08! ************* McCain's Dream Ticket, only the names have been reversed)
To: John W
Comparing fingerprints of overseas terrorists to US arrest records? Better not let the ACLU and SCOTUS hear about this.
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posted on
07/06/2008 10:12:26 AM PDT
by
Mad_Tom_Rackham
("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
To: Bernard Marx
So as a result we can expect the Dems to quickly sponsor legislation written by the ACLU making such data sharing illegal. That, my friend, was exactly official US internal intelligence policy in the US for years.
So-called "Constitutonal" insanity. All neat and "legal".
But absolutely wrong and murderous to our own people.
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posted on
07/06/2008 11:11:24 AM PDT
by
Publius6961
(You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
To: alloysteel
I hope, for your sake, you simply forgot the sarc tag. If not you prove to be the dumbest rock in the box.
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posted on
07/06/2008 11:26:22 AM PDT
by
hdstmf
To: John W; kabar
“Many of those with U.S. arrest records had come to the United States to study, said former Criminal Justice Information Services head Michael Kirkpatrick, who led the FBI effort to use biometrics in counterterrorism after Sept. 11. “It suggests there was some familiarity with Western culture, the United States specifically, and for whatever reason they did not agree with that culture,” he said. “Either they became disaffected or put up with it, and then they went overseas.”
Kabar, remember all those Muslim students who were let in the past few years???? Hmmmm, very disconcerting.
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posted on
07/06/2008 12:39:47 PM PDT
by
Chgogal
(Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader)
To: John W; george76; PurpleMan; PGalt; forkinsocket; freema; Marine_Uncle; K-oneTexas; tet68; ...
Now this is a very interesting report. Knighthawk, I'm curious what Holland has in its super secret terrorist information banks. I can just imagine the information that is being passed on between the friendlies. Keep our fingers crossed that we stay one step ahead of the bad guys.
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posted on
07/06/2008 12:49:17 PM PDT
by
Chgogal
(Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader)
To: doodad
I imagine Ted had let out an incredible gas bomb out from his butt.
To: John W
Federal job applicants' prints also are run against the databases.
To date, some 500 people have been found in the database and
thus are of interest to Homeland Security officials.
Gad, this is great news.
IF Homeland Security et al are exploiting this.
Heck, just hire them into the Federal jobs, don't tell them you
know their sordid background.
Let them have access to faked sensitive data...and then listen
to the terrorist-network chatter.
Could be a great way to find the higher-ups!
And when you do find they are real stinkers...fire them for lying
on their Federal job application.
And then straight to the Federal Courthouse to be at least tried
and convicted for perjury.
And they can stew in their Federal penitentiary cell while the
espionage/treason charges are fully documented.
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posted on
07/06/2008 3:59:39 PM PDT
by
VOA
To: Chgogal
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posted on
07/06/2008 4:15:12 PM PDT
by
freema
(MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
To: Chgogal
"Keep our fingers crossed that we stay one step ahead of the bad guys."
Amen to that.
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posted on
07/06/2008 4:15:40 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Duncan Hunter was our best choice...Now we are left with a bunch of idiots.)
To: Ukiapah Heep
OK. Who has the pool on which Libtard is going to put forward a bill outlawing linkage of information gathered overseas to domestic crime? Re-outlawing. Remember Jamie Gorelick, for example?
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posted on
07/06/2008 4:20:42 PM PDT
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: John W
Wow, this is just comparing the prints to the FBI databases. I wonder what will show up when (if) we share these biometrics with England, France, etc.
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posted on
07/06/2008 5:03:27 PM PDT
by
keats5
(tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
To: Chgogal; John W
Thanks for the ping; post. BTTT!
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posted on
07/06/2008 7:00:39 PM PDT
by
PGalt
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