Just think of Lucy promising to hold the football for Charley Brown...
Posted on 07/06/2008 7:37:39 AM PDT by Fennie
Syria is ready to break off its close links with Iran if America gives it financial and military backing, a former Israeli diplomat involved in unofficial peace talks has revealed to The Sunday Telegraph.
According to the offical, who has been engaged in low-key "second track" discussions with Syrian representatives for many months, Syria's President Bashar Assad is increasingly open to a deal which would greatly weaken Iranian influence in the region.
Alon Liel, a former director of Israel's foreign ministry, said the prospect of a peace agreement with Syria was growing, though it might require a new American president before a deal could be agreed. Syria's support for radical groups including Palestinian Hamas and Lebanese Hizbollah, both also backed by Iran, has played a large part in fomenting trouble in the Middle East...
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Broken Link.
steps in?
I think America should cease to give muslim totalitarian states anything that doesn’t immediately explode upon delivery.
If Syria would accept all Muslims from Britain and Europe, that might help.
Yeah yeah Obama Obama. The Islamonazis can't wait for him.
If Syria is serious about changing sides in this conflict, they have FIRST to stop support of Hezbullah and Hamas. They are propping them up on their own since decades, regardless of Iran.
Syria is the sick man of the Middle East. Bashir inherited a mess from Dad.
I think they are working together to pull a North Korea on the next President. Promise to stop, promise to behave, take our money in the short term to rebuild their nation and weapon programs. Then when the time is right and they are stronger, attack.
Just another con job by Islamofacists trying to get money from the US. This is the same BS North Korea pulled years ago and they are still screwing with us.
Exactly right. All muslims are liars, murderers, cowards and thieves. I say that without equivocation because their entire culture is based on an evil lie called “islam” which our President wants to tell us is a “religion of peace”. We can’t defeat an enemy which we refuse to even acknowledge.
Anyone who would believe a word out of their mouths is naieve and foolish. I am surprised to hear that an Israeli would even pass this along.
I take it they want better weapons to use against Israel.
IMO this means Syria thinks the American DOS is enough of a bunch of patsies to finance and arm our enemies.
The day they empty the Bekaa Valley, round up Hezbos, and toss them in the slammer is the day I believe Syria is ready to cooperate.
When the sources are a British newspaper and a former Israeli officer... geez, I don't know... maybe this rumor has legs!
ROFLOL! Iran and Syria know that they can roll Bami and his fellow travelers, BIG TIME IN SPADES, and so they are setting up for that.
"Bambi, we just want to talk and be friends... If you give us military arms and money..."
You're correct, and why wouldn't they think that? It's true!
The Syrians are for rent! Make them an offer!
YEAH RIGHT.
Send us 25 billion and we not Iran’s friend anymore. Sure, now he’s some sand I want to sell you....
Nancy Pelosi’s trip to Syria was probably where this idea originated. Now if Obama is elected, they can put it in place. Like the Clinton plan with North Korea, we can buy them off, while they regroup to attack us later.
Just think of Lucy promising to hold the football for Charley Brown...
Just like how all Christians believe the inquisition was a good thing right?
We should offer the handful of Syrian leaders a deal. They get to live well in France for the rest of their lives, and the Alawite Shiite minority that rules Syria will be peacefully displaced, so that the Sunni majority can rule with a secular, democratic government.
In exchange, the only troops sent in to Syria to insure a peaceful transition of power are Iraqi and Egyptian. The Egyptians will be in charge of the Sunni areas, and the Iraqis will be in charge of the Shiite and Kurdish areas, using Shiite, Sunni and Kurd soldiers.
The Kurds will assure the integration of Kurdish Syria into “greater Kurdistan”, joining it with Iraqi Kurdistan.
Syria will end all military and diplomatic relations with Iran for 10 years, and its major Russian weapons systems will be destroyed. At that point, Israel may freely return the Golan Heights, with assurances that they will remain demilitarized.
All economic sanctions against Syria will be lifted, though terrorists and criminals currently residing in Syria will be turned over to the ICC for disposition.
Massive amounts of international and US aid will then assure that Syria remains peaceful, and develops a prosperous economy in parallel cooperation with Iraq, including a major oil pipeline project through Syria to the Mediterranean.
BINGO!
That sort of insane equivocation of Christian Western culture with Islam's steady history of war for religious submission has no place on a conservative forum. That is pure politically correct deconstructionist anti-Western culture poppycock better served up on a leftist forum where Christian and Western hating is part of the dogma.
Btw....right now. How many folks in the world are being murdered by Christians for being infidels?
Now, how many by Islamists for being Infidels?
But back to the original question here....were Syria genuine to some degree I would not discount working with them if it could put them more in our camp. Who woulda thought Egypt's Nasser or Qaddafi or even the Hashemites would one day decide to roll with Uncle Sam at least at the top?
We have made deals with tyrants before versus the alternatives...
Somoza or Sandies?
Pinochet or Allende?
Brasilian Junta or Leftists?
Colombian Paramilitary rovers or FARC/ELN?
Heavy handed Fujimora or maniacal Senderos and Tupacs?
and so forth..
I thought that Syria was a secular state.
Exactly. All the bad actors are going to roll over like dogs and let us scratch their bellies from here til November.
This will neutralize McCain’s foreign policy advantage and assist Obama greatly. Which, of course, is exactly what they want.
I smell the Rope-a-Dope.
Me too. Don’t trust any of them.
I’ve never wanted to visit Tatooine in the springtime. Or anytime for that matter. Syria is Tatooine. It’s Pirate City.
Uh-huh. This is just a scheme by Assad to get money from the US and then use it to a.) rebuild their reactor, b.) give to Iran, or c.) buy some more missiles from the Russians and ship them to Hezbollah
Yep. Syria feels like attacking Israel with American weapons instead of Russian weapons now.
Easy tiger easy.
I have no doubt that a certain type of Muslim has waged war in the name of religion like no other religion in all of history.
But I wasn’t trying to make that arguement.
Not all muslims are terrorists and suicide bombers. To say so is has you say “poppycock”.
While there is no doubt a large section of Muslims that wish to wage war in the name of striking down the infidels, the point is Christianity has had it’s own battles with zealots.
In western culture the witch burning and inquisitions didn’t swollow up our culture. They now and rightfuly so are looked down at has black marks on our history.
The war of idea’s in Muslim culture unfortunately hasn’t exactly been pushing them away from bombing en mass. That doesn’t mean that the war for ideas will not push the Muslim culture to look back at this time with contempt.
Simple: Publically stand-up Assad and recognize Israel’s right to exist as a nation and I am sure we could accomadate you. Until then, have fun with your suicidal friends. The Burden of Damascus comes to mind...
Great response and I almost chimed in with the same. The real point is that half the globe now recognizes that all men are created equal and should have equal rights. Islam does not recognize such rights. It will reform on it’s own or be eradicated in the nuclear age as it begins playing with fire. Those leaders whom wish to adopt a neutral policy away from naked aggression should always be given the chance but it shouldn’t take many years to see valid first steps taken as it did with North Korea.
Mark my words, that one will blow up in our face someday and dwarf the problems/confrontations of the Middle East.
If it’s you and Obama on the ticket, I may think about Obama. They don’t want to live in France and there is zero luck of that happening with no threat of defensive war on the part of Syria. Not gonna happen. Likewise they are not going to allow Egyptian, Iraqi or for that matter Smurf troops in their country while they stand down their army.
Integrating the only near perfect politically functioning part of Iraq to Syria? You must smoke crack, because I smoke pot and it doesn’t get you that high.
Good thing you thought this out well. Next after not having their soveregnty threatened they will destroy the air defenses of a hostile nation next door to the region’s premier air force. They will follow this up with rendering all thier commercial and military supporters obsolete and at this point having to rearm with M-4 rifles paid for in my taxes. If they don’t mind, I can’t afford an m-4 I pay taxes. I would like one too, where’s mine? You end it with a carrot from a 3rd party who has frequently said they were not going to do the action you propose.
Let’s assume they give up all the terrorists without getting deposed first. Then we give them to the ICC? How about our money, our investment (except from that gift from the Israeli’s) our tribunal, and if you killed Americans, God help you.....
Were it not for oil money, Iraq would be needing FAR more support. Syria, right next door does not have oil to export, now or when Jihadi’s are attacking the economic infrastructure which will happen if you did what you proposed.
A pipeline! What a great idea. We could orchestrate a solution to Iraq’s Strait of Hormuz problem! Did you know there is a pipeline from Iraq to a Turkish port on the Med? Oh wait that is in Kurdistan, which you are giving (assuming the Iraqi’s go with this.) to Syria...
I think it will always continue because there is 95% of teaching that promotes decent values towards oneself and others and there is 5% that advocates murder, Jews as below pigs and apes and that if you don’t believe and convert, you are an enemy combatant that can and should be lied to, betrayed, etc. etc. etc. It is the foundation of the religion itself that must change but don’t you dare question Mohamad or we’ll kill you!
The inquisition had no biblical foundation for such behavior, it preyed on the ignorance and lack of printed editions of the bible to attempt to get away with obvious politically inspired behavior. No foundation, no long-term practice or behavior.
Totally different set of circumstances. While we hope Islam looks back and think about the wisdom or self-adjustment, to me they will be looking back like the Japanese do with how they viewed Emporer Hirohito. Biblically speaking, both seeds of Abraham were told they would become great nations. In Islam, the first-born son of the Israeli nation is despised and is lower then pigs and apes. It’s wishful thinking they will self-adjust on there own and that indeed is a shame.
HUH??????? Is this a summary or do you have a poor command of “you”?
AND
In western culture the witch burning and inquisitions didn’t swollow up our culture.
Ahh, the old liberal moral equivalence argument. Why are you living the liberal lie? 60-90% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. What percentage of them actually are majority Sunday attenders, believe the Apostles' Creed (or can recite it), and can explain their relationship with Christ.
Adherent Muslims are either terrorists, suicide bombers, sympathizers of both, or will refuse to reject the former. Disagree? Name the moderate Islamic organization that is fighting to be the voice of Islam. Therefore, it doesn't really matter, does it, if every Mo doesn't wear a TNT belt? The West will begin winning the "WOT," in a longterm and meaningful way, once these facts our recognized publicly.
With regards to the inquistion/witch burning, you are comparing apples and oranges: Afterall, there is quite a bit of difference between Islamist killing Westerners, and Westerners killing their own. I hope you recognize this... please read the liberal media if you doubt me on the shared friendship between Shiites and Sunnis. Additionally, parroting the secularist talking points is also disingenuine regarding the eeevilll Christians and the Inquistion/Witchburning. The last scholarly work I read estimated that it is unlikely that more than two thousand people were executed for heresy by the Inquisition [The Inquisition edited by Brenda Stalcup and Henry Kamen's The Spanish Inquisition]. Nothing to be proud of, but consider it in light of 911.
Honestly, I'm not trying to make this personal, but rather, plead with others to recognize these arguments that we see all too often, coming from both the left and, unfortunately, the right. It may very well be a matter of our own survival.
You may smoke a lot of pot, but you write like you smoke meth.
To start with, what I wrote was firmly tongue in cheek. However, there were grains of truth in there. If the top half dozen oligopoly dictator leaders were “gone”, and some military assistance rendered to remove the Alawite from power, that would not cause a single tear to be shed in the Sunni nations.
The rest was to point out how the two nations of Egypt and Iraq, if through some amazing diplomacy, were to replace US forces in Syria, might help mollify the situation.
But the bottom line is that the mighty Syrian military is two farts in a handkerchief, and could be reduced in a few hours by a US attack. But this leaves a basket case of a country thrashing around like 20 years of Lebanon in a week. An epileptic mouse, by US standards, but one below our interests, if not those of France and the Sunni nations.
The Iraqi army alone could easily occupy Syria to help restore order and to keep the Sunni from slaughtering the Alawite.
As far as the terrorists would go, we would probably be more than happy to ship them off to Europe’s ICC, as they are not worthy of import to the US. Some of the cream of the crop might end up in Tel Aviv, to experience some fine quality hemp, but the bulk of them aren’t worth the powder and lead to blow up.
They wanted the ICC to harass the US, then fine, let’s all see the mighty ICC in action doing something useful. Not our problem.
All told, Syria is hardly worth consideration except as a nuisance to Israel. If remade in a democratic model with majority rule, everyone, especially the Syrians, would benefit, even if the Alawite were bitter as hell about no longer being in charge. Tears shed. Tough.
Equivocating Christians with Muslim historical excess and a said propensity of violence is intellectually dishonest.
it usually just belies a rejection and contempt for Christianity
You do know that the Syrian Christians will be slaughtered & what’s left of them reduced to jizyah-paying serfs as soon as the Alawi are removed from power?
liberals have twisted the old boy's words to mean equal capabilities which should in theory result in equal outcomes which as conservatives and realists we know to be rubbish.
Equating all Muslims to terrorists shows a lack of intellgence period.
I can throw out your whole post because you said Christians were burning their own. That’s not true since they were clearly burning wiccans and others that weren’t Christian.
Why you coming at me with this liberal crap? Because I don’t believe all Muslims are terrorists?
You better come up with alot better than that. I personally know Muslims that have bled for America in Iraq.. Who do you know? Huh? I didn’t think so.
So unless you can prove to me the man I knows secretly wants to blow up Christians(even though he’s going back to Iraq to work for our country again) then you need to quit sounding off like someone who has NO clue what he is even talking about.
If you bothered to read my post which you clearly didn’t I mentioned the fact that Christianity’s past pales in comparison to the evils in the name of being a Muslim.
However it is unfair of you to not equate what Christian people’s are capable of. Nazi Germany for example was as religious as any Western nation and allowed themselves to fall hook, line, and sinker for Hitler.
Was killing the American Indian Christian like? Just because it wasn’t waged in the name of God doesn’t mean it wasn’t war all the same? What about the American Civil War. Whether it be for “slavery” or “states right” both the South & the North called each other naughty names. We were Christian then were we not?
Don’t lecture me about history.. you got your head all wrapped around Muslims because you think they are the “worst” thing in the world.. but I got to tell you Olberman. Western culture has it’s own demons too.
All you need to look at is Abortion to tell you that.
Not all muslims are terrorists and suicide bombers.
AND
In western culture the witch burning and inquisitions didn’t swollow up our culture.
Ahh, the old liberal moral equivalence argument. Why are you living the liberal lie? 60-90% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. What percentage of them actually are majority Sunday attenders, believe the Apostles' Creed (or can recite it), and can explain their relationship with Christ.
Adherent Muslims are either terrorists, suicide bombers, sympathizers of both, or will refuse to reject the former. Disagree? Name the moderate Islamic organization that is fighting to be the voice of Islam. Therefore, it doesn't really matter, does it, if every Mo doesn't wear a TNT belt? The West will begin winning the "WOT," in a longterm and meaningful way, once these facts our recognized publicly.
With regards to the inquistion/witch burning, you are comparing apples and oranges: Afterall, there is quite a bit of difference between Islamist killing Westerners, and Westerners killing their own. I hope you recognize this... please read the liberal media if you doubt me on the shared friendship between Shiites and Sunnis. Additionally, parroting the secularist talking points is also disingenuine regarding the eeevilll Christians and the Inquistion/Witchburning. The last scholarly work I read estimated that it is unlikely that more than two thousand people were executed for heresy by the Inquisition [The Inquisition edited by Brenda Stalcup and Henry Kamen's The Spanish Inquisition]. Nothing to be proud of, but consider it in light of 911.
Honestly, I'm not trying to make this personal, but rather, plead with others to recognize these arguments that we see all too often, coming from both the left and, unfortunately, the right. It may very well be a matter of our own survival.
I can throw out your whole post because you said Christians were burning their own. That’s not true since they were clearly burning wiccans and others that weren’t Christian.
Why you coming at me with this liberal crap? Because I don’t believe all Muslims are terrorists?
You better come up with alot better than that. I personally know Muslims that have bled for America in Iraq.. Who do you know? Huh? I didn’t think so.
So unless you can prove to me the man I knows secretly wants to blow up Christians(even though he’s going back to Iraq to work for our country again) then you need to quit sounding off like someone who has NO clue what he is even talking about.
If you bothered to read my post which you clearly didn’t I mentioned the fact that Christianity’s past pales in comparison to the evils in the name of being a Muslim.
However it is unfair of you to not equate what Christian people’s are capable of. Nazi Germany for example was as religious as any Western nation and allowed themselves to fall hook, line, and sinker for Hitler.
Was killing the American Indian Christian like? Just because it wasn’t waged in the name of God doesn’t mean it wasn’t war all the same? What about the American Civil War. Whether it be for “slavery” or “states right” both the South & the North called each other naughty names. We were Christian then were we not?
Don’t lecture me about history.. you got your head all wrapped around Muslims because you think they are the “worst” thing in the world.. but I got to tell you Olberman. Western culture has it’s own demons too.
All you need to look at is Abortion to tell you that.
be honest enough to cut and paste for the forum where I did just that please?
i'll be waiting...chirp
Exactly. Our nation suffers from gridlock from the swarms of Democratic attorneys who present arguments of what ‘is’ is and what ‘is’ isn’t. If ‘is’ is, then ‘is’ can also be is not and if ‘is’ is not then ‘is’ perhaps can be both is and is not at the same time!!! Got it?!? Great, now the Democrats will keep legislating this way and add other clauses which legislate against future legislation to undue the ‘is’ argument legislation. Might have to come to fisticuffs like in 1858 to change this kind of crap on the Hill.
I’ll tell you the real solution some of us are already working on: Creation of a fund to assist innovators and public servants to get elected without the ‘sponsors’ of the DNC or RNC. I’ll always stay a Republican but getting Washington off the dime is going to require creative solutions and here is the where my only angst with the party lies:
My frustration with the Republican party as a whole is that it doesn’t open there wallet for creative innovators in Internet technology but the Dems do. That is why Dems have 1/2 the voting population brainwashed, because people 20-50 years of age now get there reporting online.
WE the Republicans are vastly outgunned in cyberspace. and it is because the Dems adopt and use Internet and the Republicans don’t. The frustration comes from having to self-fund service for the nation on the Republican party behalf. Geez, even a GI gets paid to serve LOL.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.