Serbs shrug off Binghamton bar attack, and still rant at U.S. for '99 bombing

nydailynews.com ^ | July 5th 2008 | RICH SCHAPIRO

[Kolokotronis]

“Had the serbs accepted the draconian terms for having assasinated the heir to the A/H government the war would not have occured.”

Reread your history books. They DID accept the terms. Even the Kaiser remarked that all cause for war was gone after the Serb’s capitulation.

[FormerLib]

Had the serbs accepted the draconian terms for having assasinated the heir to the A/H government the war would not have occured.

Do you believe the United States is responsible as a nation for anything committed by a US citizen outside of our borders?

Just checking for consistency on your part.

Could the Israelis make demands on us because of Saint Pancake, for instance?

[skeeter]

You are correct - the Serbs accepted 9 of the 10 draconian provisions of the ultimatum, the one they rejected being Austria's insistence they be allowed to participate in - direct - Serbian judicial proceedings concerning the suspected accessories to the assassination.

Thus, with that as justification Austria started WWI.

[nkycincinnatikid]

The Kaiser was indeed flawed, bombastic and a coward. The terms he pushed Vienna to demand of Belgade were justified, and once Vienna laid them down the A/H’s could not accept less. The Kaiser backed down when he realized that france,russia and England eagerly sought war.

[nkycincinnatikid]

The hierarchy of the serb army assasinated FF. No, Wikipedia or the Britanica will not confirm it .

[F-117A]

You are correct - the Serbs accepted 9 of the 10 draconian provisions of the ultimatum, the one they rejected being Austria's insistence they be allowed to participate in - direct - Serbian judicial proceedings concerning the suspected accessories to the assassination.

Thus, with that as justification Austria started WWI.

Serbia also offererd to put the provision(s) they didn't agree with up to arbitration.

Germany wanted war and they got it!

[nkycincinnatikid]

By the time you speak of the tsar had begun mobilization of tens or twentys of millions of serfs to sack Danzig, Koenigsberg, Breslau, Vienna. Zagreb and Budapest. Whats was a Kaiser to do?

[the_daug]

According to police, Kovacevic was at the bar with friends when Steinhauer danced with one of the their girlfriends. Witnesses told police the men exchanged words. At least one account had Steinhauer inexplicably sucker-punching Kovacevic in the back of the head. After knocking Steinhauer unconscious, Kovacevic is accused of repeatedly kicking him in the head, police said.

[Centurion2000]

But Kovacevic's story isn't going away anytime soon. The U.S. and Serbia are locked in a diplomatic battle over how to get Kovacevic back to upstate New York to face American justice.

How about turn him over or we just start bombing?

There is a time and place for gunboat diplomacy.

[F-117A]

By the time you speak of the tsar had begun mobilization of tens or twentys of millions of serfs to sack Danzig, Koenigsberg, Breslau, Vienna. Zagreb and Budapest. Whats was a Kaiser to do?

Yep, just like Hitler had no choice after Poland attacked Germany!

/sarcasm>

[the_daug]

Kovacevic was inline to be railroaded after reading news and what U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer are saying. It was just drunk people fighting.

[nkycincinnatikid]

When I was young I saw a guy of stature similar to the serb as a friend and I entered an unfamiliar bar. I said to my companion “Jeeze look at the size of that guy”. Soon I was smoozeing with the barmaid. Regettably that guy “thought” she was his girlfriend. He put my friend out with one punch on his way to me, and gave me a very serious beating, But I kept getting up to confront him, thereby escaping the kicking and coma. His “girlfriend” called the police when she saw him coming, who LUCKY ME were in the parking lot of the bar! It all happened so fast, but “drunk people fighting”? Whats the matter with you?

[FormerLib]

The hierarchy of the serb army assasinated FF.

Princip was a member of the Black Hand, not the Serb Army. Nice try, but truth wins again.

[the_daug]

You didn’t sucker punch him then?

[FormerLib]

Whats was a Kaiser to do?

How about not writing a "blank check" to a lukewarm ally who's about to invade a nation with alliance to the biggest army in Europe?

[nkycincinnatikid]

Of the originally ten founders of the black hand were several majors and coelnels of the serb army ,including the Chief of Intelligence of the Army General Staff.

[nkycincinnatikid]

I’m stupid daug, but not crazy

[F-117A]

Of the originally ten founders of the black hand were several majors and coelnels of the serb army ,including the Chief of Intelligence of the Army General Staff.

WOW!

Imagine that! Serbian military officers opposed the Germanic occupation of BiH much like the Free French officers opposed the Germanic occupation of France!

[the_daug]

Just read this in a comment to the story
.....you never mentioned the fact that his two co-defendants, Sanel Softic and Edin Dzubur, are Bosnian Muslims, the same Muslims for whose sake the U.S. bombed the Serbs.

[Jacob Kell]

Funny how it seems that you’re basically emphasizing Kovacevic being a Serb when his two buddies and co-defendants were both BOSNIAN MOSLEMS. Why haven’t you been emphasizing that?