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COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
Catholic online ^ | 6/7/08 | Dr. Robert Stackpole

Posted on 07/06/2008 3:32:45 PM PDT by tcg

The Catholic Bishops make it very clear in “Faithful Citizenship” that not all issues facing Americans today are of equal value. In section 37 of their document they write: “In making decisions, it is essential for Catholics to be guided by a well-formed conscience that recognizes that all issues do not carry the same moral weight,” and they specifically emphasize “the special claim on our consciences and actions” of “the moral obligation to oppose intrinsically evil acts.” Section 42 is particularly striking:

As Catholics, we are not single-issue voters. A candidate’s position on a single issue is not sufficient grounds for a voter’s support. Yet a candidate’s position on a single issue that involves an intrinsic evil such as support for legal abortion or racism may legitimately lead a voter to disqualify a candidate from receiving support.

Most of my readers will instantly recognize that, on this reckoning, Barack Obama is definitely a supporter of an intrinsic evil: the legalized killing of unborn children.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abrotion; catholic; mccain; obama
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To: tcg

There really isn’t any issue on which Obama has been more clear and consistent than abortion. He’s in favor of it.


41 posted on 07/06/2008 5:14:55 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: browardchad
"Racism is now an intrinsic evil at the same level as abortion? By whose authority, and by what definition of racism?"

No, actually it is not. Abortion deprives a human being of life. Racism merely makes some people uncomfortable.

42 posted on 07/06/2008 5:17:13 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: tcg

The title indicates there may be some reasons to vote for a Democrat. What would those be? I can’t think of a single issue that would excuse anyone to vote for a Democrat.


43 posted on 07/06/2008 5:18:23 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Linden1209

If you think he’s going to nominate someone like Ginsberg to the Supreme Court, think again. Obama might. Obama will probably nominate Hillery, who is probably the most partisan person in America, and who was instrumental in putting Ginsberg on the Court in the first instance.

McCain might appoint some mealy moderate to get him by the liberal Democrats who control the Senate, but there is no way he’s going to nominate an extremist nutcase like Ginsberg or Hillary.


44 posted on 07/06/2008 5:18:54 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: mware
Bob Barr also drove his wife to an abortionist.

Holy crap. I had no idea.

45 posted on 07/06/2008 5:20:18 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Fr. Corapi is talking about the abortion issue right now.


46 posted on 07/06/2008 5:25:37 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Linden1209

Everyone voted for her.
The SENATE voted for Ginsberg 98 to 0 ! That was back in 1994 before the 2000 election. With that logic that means you would not vote for any Repub in the senate ! How can you compare a radical Marxist named Obama with a camp full of radical Marxists/ pro terrorist supporters to a moderate Repub ?


47 posted on 07/06/2008 5:35:19 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: mware

Then what is the quandry?


48 posted on 07/06/2008 5:44:53 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I see no quandry,

What needs to be done is someone like Fr Pavone has to sit down and explain just what stem cell research entails.

So many people do not really understand the difference between adult stem cell research and embryonic stem cell research.

There are over 72 clinical treatments using adult stem cells, and not one clinical use for embryonic stem cells.

It is a matter of learning the facts.

49 posted on 07/06/2008 5:51:14 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Lion Den Dan

Im Catholic too and no obama here either but i grew up in NJ, the whole state is catholic. I don’t get how it can be so BLue...followed by new York and the rest of the east coast...How how how. I just dont’ get it. Inner Cities maybe but i still can’t imaging it canceling out the suburbs. Only thing i can think of it that they just don’t get it.


50 posted on 07/06/2008 5:52:28 PM PDT by genxer
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To: mware

No Intelligent American can Vote for Obama(B.O. HUSSEIN).
That given, he beat Hildbeast at least for now: and We Must Pray and work as hard as we can to “ SAVE AMERICA FROM HUSSEIN!”


51 posted on 07/06/2008 5:53:42 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: tcg
Fr. Pavone is now on EWTN is speaking of the election and abortion.

"Anyone who does not think that babies have a right to life, does not deserve your vote."

52 posted on 07/06/2008 5:56:05 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Freerepublic.com baby)
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To: mountainbunny

My God, the difference is like day and night, good and evil!
Ask your priest for counseling, whatever, BUT dont Vote to allow the Evil of Obama:-)PLEASE!


53 posted on 07/06/2008 6:01:12 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: mountainbunny

Hello, Earth to Mountainbunny?


54 posted on 07/06/2008 6:04:26 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: mware

During his meeting with Catholic leaders last Friday, Sen. McCain reminded Philadelphia Catholics of his pro-life voting record and emphasized that he would “maintain that commitment” if elected president.

Deal Hudson, one of the leaders present at the meeting, informed CNA that when it came to McCain vetoing FOCA, “Nobody asked him that question. My view is that, of course, he would veto it.”

Fr. Frank Pavone of Priests for Life agreed with Hudson, saying, “I have no doubt that he would veto it.”

“Moreover, it’s so extreme, I really don’t think it would ever reach his desk, even if the Democrats increased their numbers in Congress,” Fr. Pavone said.

Barack Obama has made his position on FOCA clear by promising at a July 17, 2007 speech to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund that signing it into law would be his first act as president.

http://catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13011


55 posted on 07/06/2008 6:09:29 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: buccaneer81; mware

Yep, Bob Barr is Unholy crap!


56 posted on 07/06/2008 6:11:46 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: mountainbunny

Based both on his co-sponsorship of the Freedom of Choice Act and his comments on Roe v. Wade, Obama is committed to legal abortion at any stage of pregnancy for essentially any reason, and he wants it subsidized by taxpayers too.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDhhNWRkOTdiZDAwM2RkM2JiNGY0ZjRlNGYzODkyNDA=

He is one of the most pro-abortion nominees ever.


57 posted on 07/06/2008 6:14:00 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: tcg

how ironic...my parish priest left my house literally 30 minutes ago as we had him over for an Independence Day barbacue...nice guy- Naval Academy grad, spent nine years in the Navy, most as a naval aviator before entering the priesthood...

he summed up his years in the Navy (77-85) in the following; “Carter was a nightmare- once Reagan got into office you could sense a different attitude”...

we spoke about the upcoming election, I should say I spoke about it and he listened...I said for any Catholic or Christian the choice is simple- even if abortion is not a major voting issue you CANNOT vote for hussien obama with his live birth and partial birth abortion history, with his desire for federally funded abortions, with his desire for “reproductive justice” will will be determined and handed out by a single person, in good conscience....

he simply said, “I agree”....


58 posted on 07/06/2008 6:14:32 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: ardara; mountainbunny

“We just have to convince McCain on the stem-cell issue.”

I agree that is the only rational choice we have. It will take lots of logically organized grassroots emails and phone calls and it can be done. We need to clarify the incongruity of being anti abortion but pro fetal stem cell usage as it is usually being done today. Perhaps we can enlighten him and persuade McCain to support fetal stem cell research being done only with post birth umbilical cord donations. I know I would have given the cords right after childbirth so that the fetal stem cells could be extracted and I would imagine many would love to do so. Somehow this post birth method has to be made to be seen as a potential money maker to the hospital corporations too.


59 posted on 07/06/2008 6:16:24 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: God luvs America
.my parish priest left my house literally 30 minutes ago as we had him over for an Independence Day barbacue...nice guy- Naval Academy grad, spent nine years in the Navy, most as a naval aviator before entering the priesthood...

He should write a memoir someday. I'll bet it would be enlightening.

60 posted on 07/06/2008 6:19:16 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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