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COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
Catholic online ^ | 6/7/08 | Dr. Robert Stackpole

Posted on 07/06/2008 3:32:45 PM PDT by tcg

The Catholic Bishops make it very clear in “Faithful Citizenship” that not all issues facing Americans today are of equal value. In section 37 of their document they write: “In making decisions, it is essential for Catholics to be guided by a well-formed conscience that recognizes that all issues do not carry the same moral weight,” and they specifically emphasize “the special claim on our consciences and actions” of “the moral obligation to oppose intrinsically evil acts.” Section 42 is particularly striking:

As Catholics, we are not single-issue voters. A candidate’s position on a single issue is not sufficient grounds for a voter’s support. Yet a candidate’s position on a single issue that involves an intrinsic evil such as support for legal abortion or racism may legitimately lead a voter to disqualify a candidate from receiving support.

Most of my readers will instantly recognize that, on this reckoning, Barack Obama is definitely a supporter of an intrinsic evil: the legalized killing of unborn children.

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KEYWORDS: abrotion; catholic; mccain; obama
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To: buccaneer81

he said he was on a ship passing through the Suez Canal then over to the straits of Horuz and in 1981....they were there for a while and were going to be relieved by another US ship....it was just before Reagan was about to take over...he said all of a sudden a call came over the radio just days before Reagan was set to be President; the hostages had been released and they should ship back to Italy....


61 posted on 07/06/2008 6:25:17 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: God luvs America
I hear you.

I have become pretty close to my parish priest and I think he feels comfortable enough to chat with me informally on politics.

He liked Dunkin Hunter and Mike Huckabee.

He is a bit disappointed in the choices we have but given the choices, he knows which one is the greater evil.

62 posted on 07/06/2008 7:01:33 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Freerepublic.com baby)
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To: ncalburt

Even a moderate Republican would not vote to declare his fellow POW/MIAs dead in spite of much evidence, including aerial photos of the rescue code spelled out in rocks, to the contrary. Even a moderate Republican would not be utterly rude to wives of POW/MIAs. And even a moderate Republican would not, allegedly, make a profit off the men he purposely left to die at the bloody hands of the Communist VNs. How could you vote FOR him?


63 posted on 07/06/2008 7:08:28 PM PDT by Linden1209
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To: Linden1209
Kind of new here at FR aren't ya?

Just saying.

64 posted on 07/06/2008 7:10:45 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Freerepublic.com baby)
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To: ncalburt

Even a moderate Republican would not vote to declare his fellow POW/MIAs dead in spite of much evidence, including aerial photos of the rescue code spelled out in rocks, to the contrary. Even a moderate Republican would not be utterly rude to wives of POW/MIAs. And even a moderate Republican would not, allegedly, make a profit off the men he purposely left to die at the bloody hands of the Communist VNs. How could you vote FOR him?


65 posted on 07/06/2008 7:14:15 PM PDT by Linden1209
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To: Glenn

Put another way; should a normal, healthy pregnancy be terminated? No. Democrats lead the word game, the media echo’s them, and it kills babies. They will use ‘safe, legal, rare’ as a mantra, but not one can defend terminating a normal, healthy babies’ life. Our terms are just, and would allow an option for a real medical emergency.


66 posted on 07/06/2008 7:29:08 PM PDT by Son House ( BMT==> Babies, Military, Taxes: Just say NO To Democrats!)
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To: Linden1209
You have lost it ! Your peddling flat out lies about McCain.
You intentionally post half truths and phony conspiracy lies to help out Obama ! I just cornered you on the Ginsberg misinformation line which has been used a dozen times . So you drag out the tired MIA conspiracy story and add the War Profiteer story. Do you realize McCain has two sons serving in Iraqi in the Marine Corp ?
Oh course you do .You ignore those facts too.
Where do you get these talking points DU or the OBama smear website ?
67 posted on 07/06/2008 7:32:56 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: tcg
No Catholic Can Vote for Obama. If they do they are basically excommunicating themselves from the Catholic Church.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

68 posted on 07/06/2008 7:44:03 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mountainbunny

McCain is anti-abortion. I really don’t think he will move on the stem cell research issue at all.


69 posted on 07/06/2008 7:46:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tcg
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time

The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)

CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record

Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide

The Battle for Catholic Voters

New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion

Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?

Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’

Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say

Catholics should not vote for Obama

Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]

More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)

The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)

Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....

NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama

Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time

State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn

Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after

Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?

Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience

Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]

Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)

Catholics Debate Obama Vote

US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]

Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?

DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election

EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign

The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)

Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question

Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers

McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)

Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

70 posted on 07/06/2008 7:46:45 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mountainbunny

71 posted on 07/06/2008 7:47:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Salvation, I think there is a chance to turn him around on the embryonic stem cell research.

Most of the pro life folks here are well informed on the issue.

With the new procedures and discoveries of pluripotent stem cells there is no need for the use of embryonic stem cell research.

Besides the fact that there are over 70 clinical uses of adult stem cells while there are none for embryonic stem cells.

72 posted on 07/06/2008 7:50:54 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Freerepublic.com baby)
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To: silverleaf; mountainbunny

mountainbunny must be a Obama supporter if she wants to stay home and not vote. That’s a sure fire way to get him elected.


73 posted on 07/06/2008 7:51:13 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mountainbunny

3,000 schedule C appointees, providing for the common defense of this nation and appointments to the Federal Bench are only three reasons why McCain is far superior to that Commie, pro-infanticide, racist, POS Obama.


74 posted on 07/06/2008 8:04:17 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: mware; mountainbunny; Coleus

Plus, have you seen the threads that coleus has posted about adult stem cells?

All the cures that have occurred have been because of adult stem cells; none at all from embryonic stem cells.

There’s a message from God in those facts!!!

I do think that McCain will change on this issue.


75 posted on 07/06/2008 8:05:41 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: browardchad
Racism is now an intrinsic evil at the same level as abortion?

Ever hear of Margaret Sanger?

76 posted on 07/06/2008 8:06:18 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: mountainbunny
We either respect life or we do not. If we do, we don’t accept that one life is worth more or less because it is useful to kill it.

So you disagree with the teaching of the Church that the state has the right to impose capital punishment, right?

77 posted on 07/06/2008 8:12:51 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: God luvs America
he said all of a sudden a call came over the radio just days before Reagan was set to be President; the hostages had been released

Doesn't jibe with what actually happened.

78 posted on 07/06/2008 8:51:15 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: ncalburt
Your peddling flat out lies about McCain.

Do you realize McCain has two sons serving in Iraqi in the Marine Corp(sic) ?

If you're going to point the finger at someone else make sure all your i's are dotted and your t's are crossed. McCain has one son, Jimmy, who is a United States Marine who returned to the States from Iraq in February. McCain has a second son, Jack, who is a Midshipman at the Naval Academy, Class of 2009.

79 posted on 07/06/2008 8:59:40 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Ever hear of Margaret Sanger?

I'm quite familiar with Sanger. The article uses the word "racism" -- not eugenics. One doesn't necessarily follow from the other.

80 posted on 07/07/2008 6:18:18 AM PDT by browardchad
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