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COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
Catholic online ^ | 6/7/08 | Dr. Robert Stackpole

Posted on 07/06/2008 3:32:45 PM PDT by tcg

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To make a prudent judgement, we have to weigh and balance the candidates’ stated positions on the issues of the day, and see whose policies seem to match the principles of Catholic Social Teaching more closely.
1 posted on 07/06/2008 3:32:46 PM PDT by tcg
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To: tcg

Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics

http://www.caaction.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=72


2 posted on 07/06/2008 3:39:42 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: tcg

John McCain supports fetal stem cell research. That is not one single iota better, and is in no way “closer” to the teachings of the Church.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/John_McCain_Abortion.htm

Neither candidate is worthy of a Catholic’s vote this year.


3 posted on 07/06/2008 3:39:54 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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Neither candidate is worthy of a Catholic’s vote this year.

Nonsense. Obama has a 100% rating with NARAL.

Do you have any idea what 4 years of Democratic control of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches would do to the life-movement?

4 posted on 07/06/2008 3:45:32 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Freerepublic.com baby)
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To: mountainbunny

Less Democrats = More Babies

Simple math for this Catholic


5 posted on 07/06/2008 3:48:09 PM PDT by Son House ( BMT==> Babies, Military, Taxes: Just say NO To Democrats!)
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To: mountainbunny

Obama just today came out again for late term abortions... no they are not the same.


6 posted on 07/06/2008 3:51:52 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: tcg
an intrinsic evil such as support for legal abortion or racism may legitimately lead a voter to disqualify a candidate from receiving support.

Racism is now an intrinsic evil at the same level as abortion? By whose authority, and by what definition of racism?

7 posted on 07/06/2008 3:52:32 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: Son House
Less Democrats = More Babies

Why has that message never gotten through to the western euro descendants who became union members? My FIL drives me nuts with his hatred of republicans, embracement of democrats, and a complete and total dedication to his parish.

8 posted on 07/06/2008 3:58:31 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: mware
According to the Catholic Voter's Guide thoughtfully posted in post #2, on page 7, item #3, “Embryonic Stem Cell Research” is listed as one of “The Five Non-Negotiable Issues”.

So tell me what there is to negotiate?
McCain supports fetal stem cell research. It seems very simple to me.

Being against most abortions is not the same as being pro-life. Please don't pretend that it is.

9 posted on 07/06/2008 3:59:03 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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I am sure you know there is a HUGE difference between McCain and Obama on the pro-life issues.McCain has an outstanding pro-life record on abortion.We just have to convince McCain on the stem-cell issue.Obama is the darling of Planned Parenthood.Obama’s voting record is Wrong on every abortion and stem-cell issue.In Illinois Obama led the fight to deny medical help to babies who survived an abortion.McCain is not perfect on pro-life issues but he is a FAR SUPERIOR choice to Obama.


10 posted on 07/06/2008 3:59:26 PM PDT by ardara
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To: mountainbunny
Mountain, for the love of God, Obama would not even support the born alive act.

I will not sit back and let my vote count for nothing when innocent life is at stake.

11 posted on 07/06/2008 4:03:37 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Freerepublic.com baby)
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Didn’t the stem cells already come from aborted fetes’ and he is against aborting more for this or any other reason? Wouldn’t be the same as getting an eye transplant from a murdered person while being against murder? What am I missing here?


12 posted on 07/06/2008 4:06:01 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: mware

I will ask again: Which part of non-negotiable is not clear?

Sadly, sometimes there is no good choice. When we are taught that Fetal Stem Cell Research is a non-negotiable issue, how can we set it aside and say that it is?

This is something I have struggled greatly with. I do not even pretend to have the answers, but I know that choosing one great wrong over the other is never the correct thing to do.


13 posted on 07/06/2008 4:08:44 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: mountainbunny
Your reading too much into this. Read my reply in #12

McCain isn't in favor or aborting embryos for harvesting cells or for other reasons. He is in favor of using already dead embryonic cells if they will do any good. Same as using cells from your body when you have died.

14 posted on 07/06/2008 4:12:30 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: mountainbunny
Please stop the lame spin . Your comparing OBama ,a pro abortion, pro partial birth and an evil man who killed a billed in the Ill senate that would supported medical care for babies that survived an abortion . McCain is prolife and anti partial birth. There is a huge difference.
15 posted on 07/06/2008 4:14:23 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: mountainbunny
Last week after scripture study a group of us hung around to shoot the breeze.

We were talking about the presidential election. One person said that they were going to vote for Obama.

Our priest became very upset telling him about Obama's record on life issues.

When she mentioned McCain's record on stem cell research, he told her given the two records, the choice was clear.

16 posted on 07/06/2008 4:14:51 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Freerepublic.com baby)
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To: mountainbunny

so bunny,
stay home
don’t vote
and let the rest of society choose between candidates
stem cells or partial birth abortion?
Obama to pick the next 2 supreme court justices, or McCain?
stay home
leave it to the rest of us to choose for you


17 posted on 07/06/2008 4:18:59 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: tcg

Hopefully the Catholics will learn from the tragic mistake of the Episcopalians, that if you nurture a poisonous liberal viper, and hold it to your breast, do not be surprised when it bites you.

There is no room in the faith for the faithless and evil. They do not want redemption, they seek damnation for themselves and any they can take with them. They crave the corruption of the body and the spirit, and their lord is not God, but Ba’al Zebub. And their gift to their god is the lives of as many innocents as they can sacrifice.


18 posted on 07/06/2008 4:19:55 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ncalburt

How is killing a fetus for abortion wrong but killing it for research is fine?

Please explain.


19 posted on 07/06/2008 4:22:33 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: flyfree
McCain isn't in favor or aborting embryos for harvesting cells or for other reasons. He is in favor of using already dead embryonic cells if they will do any good. Same as using cells from your body when you have died.

That is clearly not true. McCain voted to expand research to more embryonic stem cell lines.

See: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Abortion.htm

Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act; Bill S.5 & H.R.3 ; vote number 2007-127 on Apr 11, 2007

The bill:
Allows federal funding for research that utilizes human embryonic stem cells, regardless of the date on which the stem cells were derived from a human embryo, provided such embryos:
have been donated from in vitro fertilization clinics;
were created for the purposes of fertility treatment;
were in excess of the needs of the individuals seeking such treatment and would otherwise be discarded; and
were donated by such individuals with written informed consent and without any financial or other inducements.

Those are fetuses. Not dead cells. Fetuses created for the purposes of fertility treatment" are not dead.

20 posted on 07/06/2008 4:31:58 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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