Not worth the price of admission. :)
Posted on 07/06/2008 6:39:26 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe
Like most working journalists, whenever I type seven letters — Fox News — a series of alarms begins to whoop in my head: Danger. Warning. Much mayhem ahead.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
"Fox News found a huge runway and enormous success by setting aside the conventions of bloodless objectivity"
Yes, a NY Times reporter actually wrote the above quote.
The sad thing is, Fox has clearly gone downhill in the past year, as evidenced by its ratings. That being said, it sounds like the folks in the Fox PR office (disclaimer: I work in PR) are my kind of people.
NYSlimes playing the victim card. If only Fox news would stop picking on them.
NYT objectivity: A ball placed on an NYT story will immediately roll to the left until it falls off, bursting into flames.
Like most thinking conservatives, whenever I type seven letters — NY Times — a series of alarms begins to whoop in my head: Danger. Warning. Much bullcrap ahead.
I'd like to see them link more SKY News stories of the rest of the world in. This will fill time in place of the endless hours of Tragedy TV.
Yeah, I got as far as “bloodless objectivity” too, before my eyes just rolled up into my head and stuck there.
Fox News gets all the critcism because it doesn’t play the liberal game.
When you say FNC is going downhill, Ogie, do you mean artistically?
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I wish the New York Times would hurry up and die. That paper and its party have done enough damage to my country.
Hear, hear!!! It has gotten to the point that I now go to the Internet for all foreign news. I am placing Fox News just below the Entertainment Channel for the amount of fluff and tutu stuff. Even Brit has started letting some on his hour.
It is sad.
[Some of the women, while lovely to look at, are good reporters under utilised for their looks only.]
They should be called the “lift and separate brigade”!
I would like Fox to concentrate a little more on serious news and less on the "missing blond co-ed of the month" or the "trial of the century of the week".
Not worth the price of admission. :)
Funny, I linked from Hot Air and went straight to the story.
I wish the New York Times would hurry up and die
*****
They’re taking on water, no question about it. Foremost, We need the Sulzbergers to sell!
Maybe a new owner would make it a more reasonable paper.
use BUGMENOT.com (if you care at all)
Congressman Billybob
Latest article, "A Walk in the Park -- for a Century or More"
Partly artistically, partly politically. Clearly, they have been on the Greta "Missing White Girl of the Month" kick for some time now, but we overlooked that because of the solid editorial content.
For me, that clearly changed over the past 12-18 months. It started with the immigration fiasco, then continued during the recent GOP presidential primaries when all the Murdoch media properties (Fox - NY Post - Hannity - etc.) were clearly in the bag for the RINO contingent. First it was Rudy, then it became McCain once the powers-that-be found the gun grabber/cross dresser was completely unacceptable in the heartland.
In both cases, Fox took sides - and the side they took was not the conservative side.
I used to watch Brit's show every night. I don't think I have turned it on since the regulars (Carl Cameron/Fred Barnes/Krauthammer et al.) did their despicable kneecap job on Fred Thompson. The internet gives me all the news I need.
After Fox showed its true political colors, all of the sudden all the whole Greta/Geraldo nonsense seemed to become even more prominent. Thus, to me at least, it is not a surprise that their ratings are falling.
Ailes needs to get the place by the shorthairs again and remember who put them where they are - conservative, red state America. If not, Fox will eventually become just another moonbat-infested number on the dial, just like the rest of them.
Columnist Biography: David Carr
I can't believe he would say under utilized, The females on Fox are on a lot with significant roles. He obviously does not watch Fox enough to opine not that that would stop a NY Times Hack.
Fox is successful, making piles of Money and the NY Times is in the toilet. If there was not a special class of stock protecting Pinch Sulzberger he would be on the street with a tin cup and pencils.
Have no doubt... if it were up to these people, and their Liberal friends, Fox wouldn’t be allowed to exist.
I used to watch Brit’s show every night. I don’t think I have turned it on since the regulars (Carl Cameron/Fred Barnes/Krauthammer et al.) did their despicable kneecap job on Fred Thompson. The internet gives me all the news I need.
After Fox showed its true political colors, all of the sudden all the whole Greta/Geraldo nonsense seemed to become even more prominent. Thus, to me at least, it is not a surprise that their ratings are falling.
Ailes needs to get the place by the shorthairs again and remember who put them where they are - conservative, red state America. If not, Fox will eventually become just another moonbat-infested number on the dial, just like the rest of them.
Same here. Used to watch every day, haven’t for over a year,
That is a great idea! I propose we set Greta Van Sustren adrift in the Atlantic in a small boat and backfill her time slot with SKY News.
Faux News: dead blondes, white Broncos.
Warning lights go off when I see/hear the seven letters as well. ‘NYTimes’. . .and you know there is trouble.
A Columbia University history professor hired by The New York Times to make an independent assessment of the coverage of one of its correspondents in the Soviet Union during the 1930's said yesterday that the Pulitzer Prize the reporter received should be rescinded because of his ''lack of balance'' in covering Stalin's government.I have to disagree with the good professor on that very last part. He is just part of a long line extending forward to Jayson Blair.The Times had asked the professor, Mark von Hagen, to examine the coverage of the correspondent, Walter Duranty, after receiving a letter in early July from the Pulitzer Prize Board seeking its comment. In its letter to The Times, the board said it was responding to ''a new round of demands'' that the prize awarded to Mr. Duranty in 1932 be revoked. The most vocal demands came from Ukrainian-Americans who contended that Mr. Duranty should be punished for failing to report on a famine that killed millions of Ukrainians in 1932 and 1933.
In his report to The Times, Professor von Hagen described the coverage for which Mr. Duranty won the Pulitzer -- his writing in 1931, a year before the onset of the famine -- as a ''dull and largely uncritical recitation of Soviet sources.''
''That lack of balance and uncritical acceptance of the Soviet self-justification for its cruel and wasteful regime,'' the professor wrote, ''was a disservice to the American readers of The New York Times and the liberal values they subscribe to and to the historical experience of the peoples of the Russian and Soviet empires and their struggle for a better life.''
In his eight-page report, Professor von Hagen, an expert on early 20th-century Russian history, did not address whether the Pulitzer Board should revoke the award it gave to Mr. Duranty. Mr. Duranty died in 1957.
But in comments first published yesterday in The New York Sun, Professor von Hagen said he believed the board should indeed take such action. He echoed those remarks in an interview last evening with The Times.
''They should take it away for the greater honor and glory of The New York Times,'' he said. ''He really was kind of a disgrace in the history of The New York Times.''
He looks like a pencil necked geek.
Like most thinking conservatives, whenever I type seven letters — NY Times — a series of alarms begins to whoop in my head: Danger. Warning. Much treason ahead.
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This is de rigeur at the NYT, n'est ce pas?
I suspect that non-leftists are scorned and ridiculed into leaving the NYT as soon as the "word" gets out.
Sort of a political Jim Crow culture.
Best comedy I have read lately from the New York Slimes.
I imagine Limbaugh and Levin will have a ball with this one tomorrow.
Imagine, anyone at the Slimes a ctually trying to pretend they have been objective.
You have somehow forgotten that the raison d'etre of Fox News is NOT to promote conservatism as much as it is to provide a home and a forum for reporters who AREN'T doctrinaire liberals.
Whatever there is to say about most of the reporters at FNC, there are only three I can credibly call "moonbats"; Alan Colmes, Geraldo Rivera, and Fox News Watch's Neal Gabler. In the remainder of TV news, there are only a few that CAN'T be called "liberal": ABC's John Stossel (a diehard libertarian whose outlook mirrors the Cato Institute and the Club For Growth), George Will (fifteen minutes a week), SCOTUS beat reporter Jan Crawford Greenburg, and sometimes Brian Ross; CNN's Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs; MSNBC's Joe Scarborough; CNBC's Lawrence Kudlow. I can't off the top of my head think of anyone at NBC or CBS who could even be called "moderate."
More than anyone with a shot at taking the nomination (Duncan Hunter doesn't count), Fred Thompson's policies mirrored my vision of what a President should be doing at this moment in history. But even I concede he ran a crappy campaign. Face facts: FRED DIDN'T RUN LIKE HE REALLY WANTED THE JOB. Were Cameron, Barnes, Krauthammer, and Hume supposed to ignore that fact to protect your sensibilities?
Yes, after reading that insane quote, my jaw is still gaping. These idiots truly have no clue how biased they are. After doing a “hit piece” on FOX, precisely what do they expect? Breakfast in bed?
Fox can do whatever it wants. I never said it should promote conservatism, just that recently it has no longer done so, and thus I (and apparently thousands of others like me) have chosen to change the channel.
What I said was that red state, conservative America is what made Fox the top dog in cable news. If they choose to ignore that, that is their right. However, as I said, it should come as no surprise to you, them or anyone else when their ratings start to suffer as a result.
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More than anyone with a shot at taking the nomination (Duncan Hunter doesn't count), Fred Thompson's policies mirrored my vision of what a President should be doing at this moment in history. But even I concede he ran a crappy campaign. Face facts: FRED DIDN'T RUN LIKE HE REALLY WANTED THE JOB.
I totally disagree with your thesis. IMHO, this is a perfect example of a lie going halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on.
What Fox did promoting the RINOs (Giuliani/McCain) while trashing Thompson is the primaries was despicable - some of the most grossly unfair coverage I have ever seen.
IMHO, a lot of it seemed to be personal and may have been related to Thompson hiring a very respected Fox producer (forget his name) and then firing him after a supposed run-in with Jeri. Who knows if it is true or not - maybe it was all simply orders from above (the most likely answer).
I reiterate - the network can do what it wants. However, Fox forgets who "brung it to the dance" at its own ratings peril...
Regards -
OO
“Fox News found a huge runway and enormous success by setting aside the conventions of bloodless objectivity...”
What a laugh coming from NYT. Such a lack of introspection.
As for blacklisting reporters, where’s Judith whatshername that used to work for NYT?
Haha the NYT is getting attention which it never deserved in the first place?
They no longer print anything of worth politically speaking and should stick to Broadway Reviews and Sports.
What is the "lie," Ogie?
The idea that Fred ran a crappy campaign is a lie.
It was created and repeated so many times by the "conservative" media that it became truth to the masses, including to some Thompson supporters such as yourself. You have simply repeated it as your own opinion. I consider its corollary argument - "He got in too late" - as part of the lie.
Fred was knee-capped, pure and simple. The "conservative" media baited him into running on the strength of great poll numbers and the lack of a conservative standard bearer. Once he committed, he was trashed at every opportunity, especially by Fox News.
The primary purpose was to get him into the race. This, coupled with said media boosting the formerly non-existent (and bankrupt) Huckabee campaign, gave the GOP three candidates to split the conservative vote.
The key was to not let any of them get any traction. Then, the elites got Giuliani to take a powder (likely with the offer of a prime administration position, probably Homeland Security), setting up a single RINO to win with 30-35 percent of the vote, while the three conservative candidates split the remaining 65-70%
Thus, the final goal was accomplished: a RINO nominee from a conservative party. And conservatives who did not support Fred because they bought into the lie helped make it happen.
It was created and repeated so many times by the "conservative" media that it became truth to the masses, including to some Thompson supporters such as yourself. You have simply repeated it as your own opinion.
Oh, brother. Here's my opinion, posted October 5, 2007:
While I think it's insulting to refer to Fred as "lazy" as the MSM has been doing lately, I don't think it's inaccurate to observe that Thompson is NOT running like he really wants the job. Rudy came crashing out of the gate with commercials on national radio before he even announced he was a candidate. In response to making minimal impact outside New England and Iowa, Romney has written huge checks to himself. Before he fell out of favor with the MSM by being the wrong kind of Iraq War critic (you know, the type that wants to WIN), McCain would steamroll anyone in the way of a camera. Fred's been just biding his time, and nobody knows exactly why.
The nicest thing I can say about someone who would write such a thing is that you don't have ANY self-esteem issues.
Fred was knee-capped, pure and simple. The "conservative" media baited him into running on the strength of great poll numbers and the lack of a conservative standard bearer. Once he committed, he was trashed at every opportunity, especially by Fox News.
The primary purpose was to get him into the race. This, coupled with said media boosting the formerly non-existent (and bankrupt) Huckabee campaign, gave the GOP three candidates to split the conservative vote.
The key was to not let any of them get any traction. Then, the elites got Giuliani to take a powder (likely with the offer of a prime administration position, probably Homeland Security), setting up a single RINO to win with 30-35 percent of the vote, while the three conservative candidates split the remaining 65-70%
Thus, the final goal was accomplished: a RINO nominee from a conservative party. And conservatives who did not support Fred because they bought into the lie helped make it happen.
ZZZZZZ...Huh? What? Oh, you're done.
Seriously, dude -- you have all the credibility of that guy who scams his way onto talk shows so he can accuse Stephen King of killing John Lennon.
Think I'm a dope for believing my own eyes instead of you? Enlighten me. Please tell me who the people who hatched this dastardly plan are, why they would create this dog-and-pony show, and explain why YOU'RE the only one who's figured it all out.
Thanks so much - my wife would certainly agree with you. :^)
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Think I'm a dope for believing my own eyes instead of you? Enlighten me. Please tell me who the people who hatched this dastardly plan are, why they would create this dog-and-pony show, and explain why YOU'RE the only one who's figured it all out.
If you watched Fox News during the primary, you certainly already know what I am talking about despite your insulting response. If not, then why am I even discussing this with you?
And, clearly, I am not the only person who feels this way, despite your contention. I also have absolutely no intention of attempting to prove it to you.
If you are truly interested, do an FR search on your own on Fred and Fox News and check out the threads during the primaries. Fox's pro-RINO, anti-Fred bias was blatantly clear to plenty of independent-thinking FReepers at the time.
Finally, having nothing else nice to say to you, I will now bid you adieu.
Best wishes -
OO
P.S. I did have one other nice thing to say to you.
As a movie buff, I love your handle.
I suspect there are not that many people on FR that know what the “Alan Smithee” moniker represents.
Best wishes -
OO
It has become unwatchable.
he has directed some of my favorite movies! :)
Fox still has the smokin’ hot babes though. They make Fox
uber-watchable...
Mine as well...
Just watch Univision and put it on mute. Keep your hands above the covers.
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