Skip to comments.Cholesterol Screening Is Urged for Young
Posted on 07/06/2008 11:32:04 PM PDT by neverdem
The nations pediatricians are recommending wider cholesterol screening for children and more aggressive use of cholesterol-lowering drugs starting as early as the age of 8 in hopes of preventing adult heart problems.
The new guidelines were to be issued by the American Academy of Pediatrics on Monday.
The push to aggressively screen and medicate for high cholesterol in children is certain to create controversy amid a continuing debate about the use of prescription drugs in children as well as the best approaches to ward off heart disease in adults.
But proponents say there is growing evidence that the first signs of heart disease show up in childhood, and with 30 percent of the nations children overweight or obese, many doctors fear that a rash of early heart attacks and diabetes is on the horizon as these children grow up.
Previously, the academy had said cholesterol drugs should be considered in children older than 10 if they fail to lose weight after a 6- to 12-month effort. The academy estimated that under the current guidelines, 30 percent to 60 percent of children with high cholesterol were being missed. And for some children, cholesterol-lowering drugs, called statins, may be their best hope of lowering their risk of early heart attack, proponents said.
We are in an epidemic, said Dr. Jatinder Bhatia, a member of the academys nutrition committee who is a professor and chief of neonatology at the Medical College of Georgia in Augusta. The risk of giving statins at a lower age is less than the benefit youre going to get out of it.
Dr. Bhatia said that although there was not a whole lot of data on pediatric use of cholesterol-lowering drugs, recent research showed that the drugs were generally safe for children.
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If they don’t let us fatties die off, how we ever gonna clean up the gene pool?
Good, solid science.
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I am amazed that these highly ducated Doctors can't figgure out that giving them fish oil, and vitamin D, and sending them out to play in the sun for a half hour a day would do the same thing without the side effects.
What’s patented toxic vitamin D replacement?
I think doctors have it all wrong with trying to lower cholesterol levels. Something else has to be going on and it is probably in the liver and endocrine system.
Mine was 246, now if only I could bowl that good.
Once you have most of the adults taking pills, you have to find new markets.
Awesome idea! Let’s ruin all the pretty little 8 year old livers with statins early on in life. It’s not like healthy eating would make a difference or anything.
The adult population is already taking statin drugs. They have to put kids on the stuff now. If it causes side effects like leg cramps or memory loss, they can just give them some Ritalin.
...”Once you have most of the adults taking pills, you have to find new markets”...
Yes. The very idea of marketing these drugs to children is insane! We will not know for another 20 years what the ultimate consequences of such drugs do to adults. While it is true that they seem to help people who have had heart attacks, no one knows what negative changes they cause for healthy people. Cholesterol is an important substance in our bodies, responsible for healthy cell membrane and the manufacture of vital hormones among other things. My husband suffered muscle damage from a statin he had been on for only a short time and I’ll bet if you speak to your neurologist, you will find that a high proportion of his/her patients who come in with muscle damage have been on statins. I once heard Dr. Rosenthal say on FOX news that all of us should remember that every drug we take is a little bit poisonous. I can also say that throughout my long years as a parent, I changed pediatricians a number of times because of residential moves and I can say that we had only two I would have totally trusted my kid’s lives to. Parents had better think for themselves. We live in a world obsessed with money and power and the medical and pharmaceutical companies are now run by businessmen. Folks, I cannot tell you how upset I am to think that children might be routinely given these potentially dangerous drugs.
My son was diagnosed with high cholesterol readings when he was 8.(Genetic, I believe since we were not particularly unhealthy eaters) Oat bran, added to anything that it could be added to, had it down within a year. Of course, he also started reading labels on any processed foods to cut out any added fats.
Where is the profit in that, my brother? /pherengi mode
Statins? For kids? Every day, I feel like i woke up on the wrong planet. Our news media is in a rush to not tell us anything useful about our politicians who do not follow or obey the Constitution, our Physicians are taught bad theory to "practice" upon their patients and there's a rush to get everyone in the country onto a drug of some sort. Our "food" that's normally consumed here is mostly carbohydrates, the one part of the human diet that humans can live without, causing all kinds of health problems more meats and fats would cure. Our water, our toothpaste is fluoridated, which is a toxin. Don't eat that toothpaste! Everything has sugar in it, and removing sugar from one's diet can cure a lot of what ails. I spent years and years of my youth feeling guilty for the foods I consumed, having been told they were bad, only to learn the nutritionists should be sued out of business.
LOL I sound like an old codger. I eat meats, fats, cheeses, butter on my veggies, drink tea, work hard, and my blood screening was outstanding.
Although I am a biochemist (neurochemist, in fact), I agree. Somehow, although I am loath to say this, we’re in a way victims of ultra-capitalist thinking, which means: if it sells, if it makes you rich in the very short run, it’s morally good. Which is abject nonsense. See only what happens to the aggressive marketing of anti-ADHD stuff. See the throwing of tonnes of benzodiazepines at nervous adults. And now see this.
All of this makes me wonder: how did mankind survive and procreate until 1900 at all? Or did the Deity create the world in 1900, and not when He did, according to the Bible? Is all of recorded history nonsense, planted by the Devil (only joking, of course...).
Benzodiazepines are the most abused but officially prescribed sedatives ever. Originally they were partly designed to replace the more dangerous barbiturates (the stuff that did in Marilyn Monroe, amongst many others); and partly to calm soldiers in action, to steady their nerves and muscles. But their ‘success’ surpassed all expectations, and now many millions are addicted to them, in ever increasing doses, so that for many people they equal the effects of heroin and morphine. Once you suddenly stop, your heart gets racing, you sweat yourself dry for weeks on end, you get nightmares and don’t dare to go outdoors for fear of meeting other people.
I am writing all of this because it’s so dangerous to combat bodily imbalances, or mental fears, with drugs that are effective in the very short run, but dangerous in the long run, if not even addictive in the extreme.
There is an insidious relationship between the pharmaceutical industry and the medical profession. How is it that doctors get free trips around the world, or year-long subscriptions to major sports events, or ‘friendly visits by beautiful female representatives’ of those companies, as a trade-off for prescribing those drugs? I know a doc personally who got invited to a top soccer match in England in the Euro Championship 2000 disguised as a ‘symposium’. The symposium consisted of a 10-minute promo-talk accompanied by caviar and champagne just prior to the match in question - and then it was party time all along.
I know only one thing here: this has to stop.
I’m not really informed on statins, other than to know I changed my diet ( added omega 3’s, etc.) and brought my cholesterol down when it began to creep up because I refused to go on a statin. I’m not opposed to drugs, but I take drugs for MS (that’s a big enough load on my liver) and didn’t want to have to add an extra med, especially one that had muscle pain as a possible side effect.)
But I thought the latest research showed that although the statins lowered cholesterol they didn’t affect the heart attack death rate, and it was presenting a quandry for the docs. Did I dream that, or did I read it somewhere?
How's that bowel movement coming along? I have no problem with your diet, but I disagree with screenings. They are the precursor to the idiocy of giving out point drugs to mask a systemic problem. Yes, there are a small number of people that need a drug because their body can't regulate, but that ability was probably lost from some other misprescibed drugs.
Darn, I forgot one issue -
it’s called IBS (irritable bowel syndrome). It is often wrongly diagnosed, and combated by wrong medications (fibre-rich nutrition, for instance).
IBS often accompanies mild depression, but also exists in itself. It is caused by an imbalance in the serotonin-metabolism. And it means: seemingly having way too much ‘gas’ in your intestines (not resolvable by farting, by the way); and a constant feeling of uneasiness in public. Another item that’s often medicated the wrong way. A very mild dose of SSRIs (serotonin reuptake inhibitors) can work wonders without influencing your psychic well-being.
Doctors should do more mandatory after-schooling instead of making world trips paid for by the pharma companies.
You forgot "sometimes". And even then a placebo would probably do as well as the SSRI dosage you are talking about.
And lets not stop there, whoa! those car salespeople just go over the top. Look at all the fools who bought SUVs despite the price of gas going up and Globull Warming! THAT has to stop.
And what about shoes!!! How many do women need?!? The shoes industry caters to the mental illness of women. THAT has to stop too.
Lets form a posse and ride tonight to clear our lands of these cretins who force us to do things we would otherwise never consider.
Prediction: 5 years from now some large study will be published that shows statins having no impact of cardiovascular health of kids with high CHE concentrations. I'm willing to wager 120 pairs of shoes. (I will win but even so, she would never notice them missing)
Now you've gone too far!
Aren’t these the same liberal quacks who quized kids about whether guns were inside the homes?
Yep - follow the money.
Succinct and exactly correct. The cholesterol market is "saturated"
The article is directed at kids who are seriously overweight.
I work with a young man who is 350 at least and only about 25. I'll guarantee he doesn't have the great numbers you have. His kids are very young and he will likely not see them graduate unless he looses a lot of weight.
This sentence makes it clear that this would be a mandatory medication of our children. There's no voluntary aspect to it, as there would be with SUV sales and the various Immelda Markos's we are married to :0(
Heart patients don't die from high cholesterol. They die from artery blockages (caused by plaque made from inflammatory debris, not cholesterol). Your work-colleague isn't going to be saved by statins but (possibly) by a change of diet and routine.
The article is aimed at high cholesterol kids, not fat kids. These are youngsters who may be perfectly healthy and may also be perfectly lean, but have a particular proxy indicator that means it's ok to force-feed them with liver-destroying statins. It's grotesque!
Sorry, slight amendment
You’re right: the article IS aimed at fat kids, but the drive will be on high cholesterol kids. And the threshold of badness will drop every year :0(
Good, solid science.
Yes, but WHICH Science?
I think I get it, but, I expect the healthcare industry to conduct themselves at a higher level than the used car industry-and those others. I know they don’t, I just want them to do so.
I welcome your comments an the arbitrary redesign of the metabolic pathways chart by these statin strategies, and in particular the demyelinization effects that cause peripheral neuropathy.
I have philosophical problems with the concept of switching off certain pathways and tampering with aminotransferases that took, by design or by evolution, a LONG time to develop in order to produce healthy creatures.
I keep raving that when all this collapses, it will be a trial lawyers' feeding frenzy that will make the thalidomide and the Shiley Heart Valve cases look like stamp money.
Me too. I won't even take the statins prescribed to me because of the potential side effects and I am 54. Also any side effects must be worse on a body that is growing and changing. Giving statins to kids is just nuts!
Do these myopic morons know what they are advocating. Cholesterol is needed by the body to manufacture cell walls and other essential biological entities. Without it you can’t heal. I’ve been taking Lipitor since 1989. If I get injured, sick or just get a cut, I have to stop taking the damn stuff or it will be months to heal even a small cut. Making children take these when they don’t need them is putting their lives in danger. Kids get more injuries than anyone else, thank god they heal quickly. If you take that ability away then the kid will not develop properly.
This is all the more reason to avoid doctors. This doctor must be on the payroll of a pharm company.
As if youngsters aren't already drugged enough with the psychotropic drugs, now they want to add statins. How were children ever raised before without drugs. This is outrageous. Stay away from doctors.
Makes sense. Accepted.
The science IS good on this folks. It is very well estalished that lowering LDL cholesterol will lower your risk of heart attack and stroke. The studies, though are all on adults. I’ve seen lots of obese kids burn it off after puberty in their teens. I really don’t know if high cholesterol in childhood necessarily carries into adulthood with the exception of inherited high cholesterol diseases. I do know that with more and more kids staying obese we are seeing an explosion of diabetes which will be devastating if we can’t convince parents not to let their kids get fat.
My mother is hopelessly addicted to these drugs. She cannot possibly be taken off them. They have ruined her quality of life and affected the whole family. I know a young man who has been put on every possible drug they have been able to find. He is about 5 ft. tall and now awaiting sentencing in jail. The stories go on and on. I have no respect for the doctors who prescribe these quickly.
Once I was at lunch with probably about 8 women. Almost all of them had children or grandchildren on such drugs. It was alarming.
I have read the exact same thing. There is no doubt they lower cholesterol but there is no evidence they increase longevity. We had a friend who became wheelchair bound because of these drugs.
Low-carb diet better than low-fat diet at improving metabolic syndrome
"The markers of metabolic syndrome - high blood pressure, low HDL levels, high triglycerides, obesity, high blood glucose and high insulin levels - are all improved by a low carbohydrate diet. By contrast, the evidence shows that they are not improved, and can even be worsened by low fat/high carbohydrate diets."
That is very, very sad. My commiserations. And indeed, it’s more or less a ‘women’s drug’ (no offense meant). Because of their hormone cycling, women tend to undergo mood changes more than men do.
One can get off of them, but not on one’s own. It would need a stay in a clinic, and a personal doctor who keeps track precisely of what’s taken on any particular day. Doing it at home, alone, bears a particular risk: that alcohol will take the place of the pills.
And, as you write, the family members tend to become ‘co-patiënts’ - they get involved, mostly involuntarily, out of love for the addicted one. Benzodiazepines take the color out of your life. You are living in permanent fear that your stack is running out (esp. during weekends) and become obsessed with what stock you still have at your disposal.
Every, but every day you say to yourself: ‘from tomorrow onwards I will decrease my daily intake and wean myself off of them eventually’ - which, of course, will never happen without help.
It’s one of the great underestimated ‘secrets’ in Western societies, the use of this stuff.
Doctors know all too well that they never should prescribe them for more than two weeks at the max, because after that they lose all their original activity (calming down, helping you fall asleep), and turn into drugs of abuse (you need them to function properly, the calming effect has disappeared, and you only notice something when you’ve run out of them, namely withdrawal symptoms as I described before).
If you need any further proof of what’s going on then: they’re sold illegally on the streets, and you can order them on the web illegally, without prescription, for good money. Just like any other street drug, in other words.
To summarize: they can help. If prescribed cautiously, and for a limited period. After that, they turn against you.
I should know - I was addicted too, and thankfully I’m off of them for a long time now.
You’re amazed that doctors paid off by the Pharmaceutical companies aren’t recommending natural alternatives to pricey prescription drugs?
It's too late now. She's 93 and in a nursing home and there's no hope or desire to wean her off her hundreds of dollars worth of drugs each month.
One thing that frustrates me is that there is some speculation that elevated cholesterol isn’t the problem, it’s a *symptom* of a problem and may even be one of the body’s defense mechanisms. Somewhere here in FR is an article saying that these drugs do nothing to help patients live longer, they just lower cholesterol.
But let’s just toss these meds to kids anyway. Let’s drug ‘em before we get them out to play or take away their junk food. What could it hurt? Better living through pharmacology and all that. /sarc
Staten drugs are patented toxic vitamin D replacement.
I forgot the sarcasm tag.
Sorry to hear that and thanks for your honesty. I can imagine someone her age not being able anymore to say goodbye to the stuff. By the way, you touch upon a sensitive subject: when an addict (to whatever) lands in hospital for whatever reason, docs tend, out of good will, not to hand out drugs. Which, as you describe, can lead to awful withdrawal symptoms. Lesson: never stick too much to protocol when the situation demands for improvisation. Even with a small dose she’d not have had that pain.
He he -
imagine a doc just having had good sex with an industry ‘representative’, and then prescribing St. John’s Wort, or oak leaf tea, to his next patient...:)
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