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California puts green tags on new cars
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 7-7-08 | Colin Ryan

Posted on 07/07/2008 7:03:46 AM PDT by Crazieman

All new vehicles on sale in California will soon have to display their green credentials. This is a new scheme implemented by the California Air Resources Board (CARB). From January 1, 2009, stickers like the one seen here will carry information about the environmental performance of every vehicle they’re pasted into.

There will be a ‘Global Warming Score’ (based on greenhouse gas emissions from driving and fuel production) and a ‘Smog Score’ (pretty much self-explanatory), both rated on a one-to-ten scale, with ten being the cleanest. And, similar to warnings on cigarette packets, they will say: ‘Protect the environment, choose vehicles with higher scores.’

“This label will arm consumers with the information they need to choose a vehicle that saves gas, reduces greenhouse gas emissions and helps fight smog all at once," says Mary Nichols of CARB. "Consumer choice is an especially powerful tool in our fight against climate change.”

“For most people in California, driving a car is the number-one way they pollute,” says Spencer Quong, senior vehicles analyst with the Union of Concerned Scientists. Potential customers can already find the relevant facts on the internet (though not necessarily with a ratings system from one single body), but Quong says: “These labels are simple and straightforward, and will make identifying a greener car easier than ever.”

Californians buy more than 1.5 million new vehicles each year, making up about 10% of the total U.S. new vehicle market.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: agw; california; cargrabbers; climatechange; environazis; environment; globalwarming; globalwarmingscare; greenieweenies; junkscience; nannystate; pseudoscience; starkravingsocialism; thegreenmenace; transportation
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1 posted on 07/07/2008 7:06:02 AM PDT by Crazieman
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To: Crazieman
"There will be a ‘Global Warming Score’ (based on greenhouse gas emissions from driving and fuel production)"

Shouldn't the agency FIRST have to prove that man is a significant factor in global warming/cooling before they CLAIM one care is better or worse in this regard?

2 posted on 07/07/2008 7:08:18 AM PDT by weegee (CHANGE? A more truthful slogan would be to proclaim Obama the candidate of FLIP FLOP.)
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To: Crazieman

Basically, they will; be a guide for eco-vandals to know which cars to trash in the name of AlGore.


3 posted on 07/07/2008 7:08:35 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Crazieman

Shoot if I knew the score for my 1997 Jeep Cherokee, inline 6 cylindar with a bad O2 sensor, I’d paint it on there myself.


4 posted on 07/07/2008 7:08:41 AM PDT by Lost Highway (I don't know what the world may need but a V8 engines a good start for me)
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To: Crazieman

The Number 1 at McDonald’s lists its calories at over 1800, people still buy it. This sticker will have the same effect.


5 posted on 07/07/2008 7:08:48 AM PDT by wilco200 (Typical White Person)
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To: Crazieman

I’ll be so glad when this fad passes, and I never ever need to hear the words “Green” or “Eco-” anything again.


6 posted on 07/07/2008 7:09:55 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Crazieman
“For most people in California, driving a car is the number-one way they pollute"

Unskilled labor running a worthless leaf blower consumes gas, emits toxic fumes, creates noise pollution, and doesn't REMOVE any debris (it only disperses it into the street or someone else's yard).

7 posted on 07/07/2008 7:10:40 AM PDT by weegee (CHANGE? A more truthful slogan would be to proclaim Obama the candidate of FLIP FLOP.)
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To: Crazieman
‘Smog Score’ (pretty much self-explanatory),

I think they meant "Smug Score."

8 posted on 07/07/2008 7:11:06 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: wbill
I’ll be so glad when this fad passes, and I never ever need to hear the words “Green” or “Eco-” anything again.

Remember the CLEAR fad of the 1990s? Clear detergents, clear colas, etc?

9 posted on 07/07/2008 7:11:24 AM PDT by weegee (CHANGE? A more truthful slogan would be to proclaim Obama the candidate of FLIP FLOP.)
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To: theDentist

All hail St. Algore! All Hail Obama the Green Messiah!.............

10 posted on 07/07/2008 7:11:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: steelyourfaith

ping!


11 posted on 07/07/2008 7:20:51 AM PDT by Crazieman (Vote Juan McAmnesty in 2008! Because freedom abroad is more important than freedom at home!)
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To: Crazieman

your tax dollars at work.


12 posted on 07/07/2008 7:24:55 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Lost Highway
1997 Jeep Cherokee, inline 6 cylindar
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The last year for that fantastic in-line 6 - a great engine. I had one of those outstanding vehicles. It was RED with BLACK trim. I give it a 10+. I loved it but I had to trade it in for a big Suburban diesel to pull the mountains of West USA. I wish I had the Jeep back so I could pay $3.79 for gas rather than $4.85 for diesel.

13 posted on 07/07/2008 7:25:21 AM PDT by CHEE (ROCK STEADY!)
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To: weegee
Was it "Pepsi-Clear" or something like that? I just remember the Super Bowl commercial for it.

Man, that was a real success. :-)

I think that the backlash is starting. When the SNL commercials show up satirizing the green movement, we'll know that the fad is over.

14 posted on 07/07/2008 7:29:47 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Crazieman
both rated on a one-to-ten scale, with ten being the cleanest

If I bought a vehicle with a "10 sticker," I'd erase the "0" just to piss people off.

15 posted on 07/07/2008 7:32:31 AM PDT by umgud
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To: weegee
Shouldn't the agency FIRST have to prove that man is a significant factor in global warming/cooling before they CLAIM one care is better or worse in this regard?

Shoot, if any governmental agency had to prove it's use, the unemployment rate in this country would jump about 5 percentage points from all the pointy-headed bureaucrats put out of work.

16 posted on 07/07/2008 7:34:54 AM PDT by ssaftler
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To: wbill

Unfortunately I think this one is going to be a long time passing and is going to cost yoou and I a fair amount of money and grief. And when the next Little Ice Age begins in a few years, they will just claim credit for having “stopped” global warming.


17 posted on 07/07/2008 7:37:37 AM PDT by Kevenmac
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To: Larry Lucido
SMUG ALERT! Image and video hosting by TinyPic
18 posted on 07/07/2008 7:39:08 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: umgud

My bigass Suburban probably gets a 1. My 98 Z28 Camaro probably earns a 2.


19 posted on 07/07/2008 7:40:02 AM PDT by Crazieman (Vote Juan McAmnesty in 2008! Because freedom abroad is more important than freedom at home!)
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To: Crazieman

I have an ‘07 crewcab 4x4 Silverado, a 76 CJ5 Jeep with V8 and a ‘94 Jeep Cherokee.............. All probably get pretty low ratings.


20 posted on 07/07/2008 7:47:27 AM PDT by umgud
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To: wbill
It was called Crystal Pepsi. I actually liked the stuff...
21 posted on 07/07/2008 7:48:24 AM PDT by redtetrahedron ("Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee" - Jer 1:5 | RIP Fred'08)
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To: Crazieman
...the Union of Concerned Scientists..

I wonder if these concerned scientists are socialists or full-blown communists?

22 posted on 07/07/2008 7:55:17 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Crazieman

Thanks, Arnie.

How much plastic will be consumed by these stickers? Fossil fuel never to be recovered?

The State of California will owe al gore a lot for the carbon credits.


23 posted on 07/07/2008 7:58:09 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Crazieman

Let’s see Ford F-350 4X4, should be well below -0.


24 posted on 07/07/2008 8:04:20 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (")
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To: Kevenmac
Absolutely, that's the genius of the whole thing.

First, GW is a fabulous marketing campaign. "YOU - and only YOU - can save the planet by polluting less! So buy your hybrids and CFLs today! (this message brought to you by the GE Lighting Divison and Toyota...)"

Second, it doesn't really matter if they're right or wrong, because the average American has a gnat-sized attention span and will forget all of the claims that were made.

And Finally, most of all, if GW turns out to be real...all of the AlGore acolytes will say: "See, I told you so, and you didn't do enough!". And if it turns out to completely fake, the AlGore acolytes can say: "See, I told you so, and it's a good thing that you listened!"

Brilliant. Underhanded, sneaky, completely unethical, but brilliant.

25 posted on 07/07/2008 8:05:55 AM PDT by wbill
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To: redtetrahedron
Ah, that's it. I didn't like it - but then again, I prefer Coke. Pepsi is too sweet for me.

Your point is an excellent one to be made - what will people think 10 years or so from now about the Greed Fad? Guess we'll find out in a while.

26 posted on 07/07/2008 8:08:03 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Crazieman
bumper-sticker
 
 

Contact your Congress critters to let them know that you are tired of high gas prices.

U. S. Senate

U. S. House of Representatives

27 posted on 07/07/2008 8:15:50 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: redtetrahedron

Greed fad = Green Fad. Interesting Freudian Slip, no?


28 posted on 07/07/2008 8:16:11 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Crazieman

And the law will be amended the following year to require that anyone owning a low-scoring car to wear a big sign on his back that says ‘KICK ME.’


29 posted on 07/07/2008 8:18:17 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: wbill

He's playing on our fears.

The Left demonized the HCUA and McCarthy (who came into the investigations into Communist influence when they were already in progress). They called it a "Red Scare".

This is a Global Warming Scare and it is a tool, an excuse to usher in societal reforms and limits on personal liberty. Our standard of living is "too high". We are the envy of the world.

Barack Obama has already said that we can't just set our thermostats at whatever we'd like, we can't eat certain foods, we can't...

The golden era of America is "over" and we need to accept legislated behavioral "CHANGE".

30 posted on 07/07/2008 8:26:53 AM PDT by weegee (CHANGE? A more truthful slogan would be to proclaim Obama the candidate of FLIP FLOP.)
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To: Crazieman

“Consumer choice is an especially powerful tool in our fight against climate change.”

If these idiots think that putting a sticker on a car in California only is going to change the climate then they have lost all common sense.

They are living in a bubble of stupidity where they all support each other like lemmings walking off a cliff.


31 posted on 07/07/2008 8:29:38 AM PDT by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: wbill

I wish it were just a fad. Unfortunately, it is turning out to be akin to religious obsession.


32 posted on 07/07/2008 8:37:10 AM PDT by redtetrahedron ("Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee" - Jer 1:5 | RIP Fred'08)
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To: Crazieman

This makes me want to:

1) Go out and buy a huge SUV or Truck with the worst score possible.

2) Paste the Global Warming score portion of the window sticker onto the back window, along with the following:

“Hey Greenie: Carbon Footprint THIS!”


33 posted on 07/07/2008 9:51:05 AM PDT by Adams
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34 posted on 07/07/2008 11:00:53 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: umgud
If I bought a vehicle with a "10 sticker," I'd erase the "0" just to piss people off.

Heck with the zero, erase the one. lol.

35 posted on 07/07/2008 11:04:39 AM PDT by A message
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Vehicle emissions are a primary contributor to global warming and smog."

If I lie on a government form, they threaten to throw me in jail. As actual government employees, the odds and/or severity of punishment should be much greater for them than for me.

36 posted on 07/07/2008 11:11:43 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Typical white person)
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To: Crazieman; steelie; SierraWasp; tubebender; BOBTHENAILER

Our youngest son got an early inheritance a little over a year ago, my OJ Simpson 1996 White Bronco with Ford’s biggest V8.

Before he “inherited” it, I had one of the best engine tuners put the new expensive plugs, spark wire cables and some other gear in it.

After the above work, CA DMV required a smog test because of its age. The free standing smog testing station said it was one of the cleanest vehicles they had tested for smog.

Our son gets 15-17 mpg with mixed driving. He is on vacation now and got over 23 mpg with the Bronco loaded for two weeks of fun gear on the first tank and still is on the second tank. The Bronco runs on regular gas with no pings nor additives.

He says he may be channging his mind about some little rice burner that will not haul he, his bikes and other gear around.


37 posted on 07/07/2008 11:23:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: CHEE

“The last year for that fantastic in-line 6 - a great engine. I had one of those outstanding vehicles. It was RED with BLACK trim. I give it a 10+.”

We have some friends who have that model/ engine.

The engines may out last the bodies, windshields, seats and other attachments and the owners in a couple of instances.


38 posted on 07/07/2008 11:26:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: peggybac
SMUG ALERT!!!

My sweet wife thought that my two adult sons, our DIL and I were going overboard are the Smug alert and dissing the Precious Smug Hybrid Drivers.

After the past couple months, she may now be worse than we are re calling these +++++++++'s some basic names.

39 posted on 07/07/2008 11:33:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Once again, Grampa Dave, you have garnished the pages of FreeRepublic.com with undeniable TRUTH!!!

Unfortunately, your beautiful TRUTH has barely gotten in front of a microcosm of brilliant individuals who can actually read and comprehend what you have shared here...

40 posted on 07/07/2008 11:57:35 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: wbill
When the SNL commercials show up satirizing the green movement, we'll know that the fad is over.

They are already satirizing themselves. When I hear the radio on and hear the guitar strumming, birds chirping and the folksy guy start talking about how good asbestos (or whatever) is for global warming, I tune it out (their facts are completely wrong) but try to figure out what kind of taxpayer subsidies they are trying to get.

41 posted on 07/07/2008 12:19:24 PM PDT by palmer (Tag lines are an extra $1)
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To: Crazieman

They’ve been doing this in our local paper for some time now. (Austin,TX.)


42 posted on 07/07/2008 12:24:28 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: SierraWasp

I’m also very proud of my DIL and older son.

Their Exploder after 8 years of off and on running needed to be traded in.

Our DIL ignored the smog one and got a GMC good size crossover that is safe, burns regular and still gets about 20 mpg.

She wasn’t about to put her children and neighbor’s kids into a littly bitty hybrid. First, not all of their gear and the kids could get into a little hybrid. Last but most important was the safety factor of the bigger vehicle.


43 posted on 07/07/2008 12:43:36 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The UCS is a front for various environmentalist groups. Does that answer your question?
44 posted on 07/07/2008 12:48:28 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: Grampa Dave

True again! And I simply love your new tagline!!!


45 posted on 07/07/2008 1:51:19 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: Crazieman; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; ...
Thanx !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

46 posted on 07/07/2008 2:14:07 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Crazieman

My next vehicle will be a half ton pick-up. With high fuel prices, in a year or so the price of them will drop even further than they already have.

A compact car would be of little or no use to me with the things I do and where I live.

For all the greenies who like to gripe and moan, I’ve yet to meet one who will miss an opportunity to fly to Europe (or any other enlightened destination) for the sake of reducing their ‘foot print’.


47 posted on 07/07/2008 2:18:07 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Crazieman

It’s only going to take a couple of feet of sea level rise to take out Sacramento. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of folks. Really.


48 posted on 07/07/2008 2:57:34 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Crazieman
The CARB idiots in California spend their time coming up with silly regulations like this one. And we need to know this when we buy a car, why exactly?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

49 posted on 07/07/2008 3:24:13 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
They want get us of the car... and the Left wants the auto industry to display their alarmism on every car sold in California!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

50 posted on 07/07/2008 3:26:48 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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