Posted on 07/08/2008 6:40:41 PM PDT by gusopol3
I don't find this by search, had just seen it on Fox. He's not tilting Obama is he?
He wants to supplement oil with wind power. He has the money to make something happen with wind if he puts his money behind it.
It can’t hurt.
Not sure but I have heard him touting wind farms in Texas even tho he is an oil man.
Good for him.
I smell a likeness to Ross Perot.
Pickens said he was going to stay out of politics this year so there has to be some money in this for him somewhere. Why else would he do it?
A little more here:
Replace gasoline with natural gas. Replace natural gas-fired power plants with wind, solar, nuclear and clean coal. Basically, replace foreign oil with domestic fuel without straining those resources.
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Pickens kicked off a media campaign today to promote his energy policy ideas — which align perfectly with his business investments. He’ll spend tens of millions of dollars on television and Web advertising and will make talk show appearances along the way.
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1696
More:
Here’s a Brief Overview:
Step #1: Using the United States’ wind corridor, private industry will fund the installation of thousands of wind turbines in the wind belt, generating enough power to provide 20 percent or more of our electricity supply
Step #2: Again funded by the private sector, electric power transmission lines will be built, connecting these wind power generating sites with power plants providing energy to the population centers in the Midwest, South and Western regions of the country.
Step #3: With the energy from wind now available to operate power plants serving the large population centers in key areas of the country, the natural gas that was historically utilized to fuel these power plants can be redirected and used to replace imported gasoline and diesel as a fuel for thousands of vehicles in our transportation system.
“It looks like he has some plan to quintuple the demand for natural gas so that it can cost me $1,000 a month instead of $250 a month to keep my house at 65 degrees in the winter.”
An oil man touting the miracle cure of methane. Who woulda thought??
It sounds a lot like Thomas Edison
it’s obviously timed to influence the election, but to what end? Draw BO into praising the plan, then endorse McCain as the one better able to carry it through?
He’s right that we can’t drill our way out of high energy prices: drilling would be a temporary solution and would lower the cost of oil for a while, and it certainly wouldn’t be a bad idea, but it wouldn’t significantly alter long-term demand trends driving up the cost of energy.
He may also be right about the value of wind. As energy prices rise the economics of alternative energy get more attractive. Pickens is a smart investor and certainly knows a lot about the energy industry, and if he’s putting his money into this it’s likely it has some economic merit.
Think he’s also heavily involved in water, which of course will also be a huge issue sooner rather than later.
the pictures he shows are wind, but a lot of the text is natural gas to power cars.
What better way to tell the Middle Eastern ass*oles to go screw themselves then by becoming energy independent.
It's 2008 and we still are struggling to come up with cars that get 50 mpg? That's ridiculous!
Let's move away from fossil fuels; T Boone is on the right path. Everything should be in the mix.
that’s not going to heat houses in the northeast this winter, and McCain needs to punch away on that.
He ends the spot by saying we can’t drill our way out of the problem. It’s true we can use other methods to generate electical power. However, our national security depends on oil. It will until our military has (aside from ships and subs) vehicles that do not rely on fuel. Given the increased world demand and volatility of the M.E., we had better drill in the meantime. It’s foolish to not do it, IMHO.
Not one California Democrap signed this petition to increase oil production. Only signers were Republicans
I don’t think the prices would drop if we drilled here. Unions and other factors would keep the cost of production up. Prices at this level do make it feasible for the domestic drilling to take place. However, I think it’s more of a national security concern over price/power production. Strategic reserves are not enough.
From another source:
http://www.thetexasblue.com/prominent-527s-sitting-out
Prominent 527s Sitting Out
The 2004 election saw a preponderance of well-funded attack ads. Independent pro-Republican groups are still raking in cash for the campaign ($80 million in the first 16 months, nearly double what they made four years ago in that period) but that money has been spread out over a larger number of groups. So where are the vicious attack ads this year?
McClatchy’s Washington bureau reports that the checkbooks behind the two biggest anti-Kerry machines aren’t getting involved in 2008. T. Boone Pickens, who funded the infamous Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, is staying out of the presidential race. Instead, his spokesman said, he’ll be turning his attention to “a major, bipartisan, energy-focused public policy initiative that will be announced soon.”
DCI Group, the PR firm behind the anti-Kerry, pro-Bush Progress for America, is staying out of politics altogether. In addition to their 2004 activities, you might remember them as the firm who did PR for the Myanmar junta. Their CEO was appointed by renowned and trusted anti-lobbyist John McCain to chair the RNC in 2008.
According to the article, post-’04 federal regulations, fear of backlash, and unwillingness to back McCain are contributing to the silence of the 527’s. With a lack of willing investors, the big-budget independent attack ads may not be a factor in the election. Frustrating as it may be to contemplate, they may not be necessary for this election. Despite their lack of veracity, damaging rumors about Democratic nominee Barack Obama have proven disturbingly resilient.
Incidentally, the New York Times ran a feature yesterday on Swift boat veterans, many of whom want to reclaim that term as a badge of honor, rather than a synonym for ignominious campaign attacks.
He also lives (or lived) in Amarillo - lots of wind there. I did not realize that you could go out without a scarf until I lived in Canada for a few months, and moved back to West Texas.
Is this the same guy that donated a ton of money to Oklahoma State University? Maybe he’s doing this to score some PC points from the leftist that exist in the college world.
Exactly. I would, in fact, be more inclined to drill but pump at a much slower-than-maximum-volume rate (or something similar), having the wells available in case production really needs to be increased significantly for some reason.
Effectively, these wells would serve as a true strategic petroleum reserve, capable of supplying critical energy needs for years in case of a true crisis. What we have now is not an energy crisis; it’s simply high energy prices that inconvenience consumers and slow the economy a little. An energy crisis would be if we entered a major war, oil imports were actually cut off, and we did not have enough oil to fight that war effectively, truly threatening our national security.
He mind numbingly repeats the libbie dibbie pablum “we can’t drill our way out of this problem” in the ad, and looks for all the world like a guy who is heavily invested ($$$) in natural gas and wind as an alternative and who will whistle whatever tune is necessary to sell his product. Wind, yeah. Like lots of hot air.
I think his only aim is to put pressure on Congress to “do something” and is offering a plan that he likes. His basic premise is OK, but there are some pit-falls. His wind power will require some management to insure it “fits” with the remaining power resources. Wind is not a continuous power source and cannot be designed to provide power during peak requirement periods.
He advocates using compressed natural gas (CNG) or liquified natural gas (LNG) to power autos. I just did a search and none of these are available a “gas stations” anywhere in the country. This is an infrastructure that would have to be built in order to use this idea... NOT a fast solution! Of course propane is readily available.
His idea is interesting and is a VERY good strawman. Of course it will benefit T.Boone... He IS a sucessful businessman after all. This is the main reason I doubt he is tilting to Obama. Making a profit, especially on energy, is a seriouls sin to the Obamacons.
I doubt the guy who funded the Swift Boat Veterans ads is too concerned about scoring points with leftists.
Ole T. Boone is going to tilt what ever direction will make his wallet fatter.
He has promoted natural gas for auto’s since 1988(I think), including developing a home compressor in order to fill your car up at night in your garage.
GM even was behind the natural gas modded autos for awhile but bailed out on the program. I think there was some rather dramatic accidents involving 3,000 psi tanks in the back of cars.
That is one thing that is clear about his prescriptions for our energy troubles. He has lined things up so that he will benefit personally in a big way. But that doesn't mean that his suggestions are not very good ideas.
He advocates using compressed natural gas (CNG) or liquified natural gas (LNG) to power autos. I just did a search and none of these are available a “gas stations” anywhere in the country.
I saw an interview with TBP where he discussed a company he has started that will operate a chain of natural gas fueling stations.
There's that old saying, by doing good he was doing very well indeed. Nothing wrong with that. I've been wondering when we are going to get on the stick with natural gas. We have that coming out our ears, and vehicles run just great on it. Just have to get the converters and fueling infrastructures out there. But it has to be cheaper than gasoline or it ain't gonna work.
CNG has been used to some degree especially in commerical applications....... If the demand is developed then the infrastructure will be forthcoming.
A little bit about CA and CNG.....
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/transportation/afvs/cng.html
With the consumption of CNG increasing nationwide 145 percent over the past six years, the fueling infra-structure for natural gas vehicles continues to grow. In 2005, California has more than 200 CNG fueling stations. In Southern California alone, there are more than 100 public fueling stations in major metropolitan areas from Los Angeles to the Mexican border. Another 50 stations are now under construction.
To locate commercial CNG stations near you, please visit:
CALSTART Clean Car Map fueling location website at:
www.cleancarmaps.com
California Natural Gas Vehicle Coalition at:
www.cngvc.org/ngv/CNGVC.nsf/bytitle/cal.htm
Are there any home refueling options for CNG?
A home refueling appliance named “Phill” has been released in California in 2005 from FuelMaker Corporation. With this device, CNG vehicle owners can now refuel their vehicles overnight in their own home, from their household natural gas line. For more information on this appliance, visit the FuelMaker Web Site at www.myphill.com
In the long term, we CANNOT drill our way out. Drilling is a short-term solution. Anytime you see a bit on drilling, you see numbers like “provides enough gasoline for all the US for XX years. No matter how much we drill, we will eventually wind up in our current situation... again! The only way out of this trap is to wisely invest in alternatives so that when we DO run out of domestic oil, we will NOT have to go begging to the Arabs to keep us running... again (for a slight nominal fee of course).
I get pestered quite a bit by door-to-door salesmen, selling stuff that I don’t want. One group uses the same opening routine, and I enjoy telling them what they are trying to sell me before they get into their pitch, then saying NO before they can continue. One of my favorite dreams is saying NO to door-to-door Arabs trying to sell a barrel of oil... I get a grin out of that imagery!!
I HATE that saying. I almost changed the channel when he said it. What we need to be doing is going hell bent for leather for energy in every form we can find it. By gum, if Americans decided to, and if goobernment would get out of the way, we could have this world so flush with energy the Saudi's would have to go back to eating sand. Course then they'd open the spigots and all the interest in renewables would dissipate. Still, maybe there is a place for subsidies for some of the most promising technologies, if it's just a matter of helping them up the curve to where economies of scale kick in and then they can compete with oil. But it never seems to turn out that way when the govt is funding.
He’s pushing wind power: semi-trucks with giant sails on top, airliners that are really gliders, etc.
We ned to get away from fossil fuels.
Oil is a loser in the long run. The developing world is hungry for it and we cannot drill out of the new wold situation.
We get ahead by moving out into the future and establishing new ground rules...on to the road less traveled.
Clean coal is our best fossil alternative, but we need to start seriously moving into non fossil energy sources.
time to tell the Arabs to go shove it.
Oh yeah. If you think $ 5 gasoline is expensive, wait until you get to pay your electric bill run by wind with all those new transmissions lines running from the center of the country to the east and west coasts.
Let's dump fossil fuels as quick as we can, not drill for our own oil, not use our abundance of coal. I'm anxious to double, triple, quadruple my energy bills so that the globalist elite can run their global warming hoax and I can pay 4 or more times what I pay now to get the same thing.
Makes sense to me. All that dreadful man-made pollution from plant food will be gone and the green idiots will feel good about themselves while they freeze in the dark and starve. I can hardly wait to start lining the pockets of Soros and his buddies instead of the Saudis and Hugo while destroying the economy at the same rate or faster.
Cold,
Do some more research, he is spot on. We have tons of natural gas and the greenie-weenies won't let us drill for it. The RV crowds know where at least all the Propane stations are, their are more than you think. Look in AU and other countries around the world, many are running cars on the gaseous fuels. Recent advances with EFI (and DI is coming) can let you run these fuels without the power losses that used to be insued.
You can get a pumping station for your home to fill your car, 4 grand is the number I hear for it.
The "Chevy Volt" on gaseous fuels with plug-in and refuel at home would have you off the refinery bottleneck.
The sooner we can tell the Saudi's to go pound sand up their @$$e$ the better IMHO.
BTW, T Boone met with Cheney and GWB years ago and gave him his plan instead they went for ethanol. go figure.
>He advocates using compressed natural gas (CNG) or liquified natural gas (LNG) to power autos. I just did a search and none of these are available a “gas stations” anywhere in the country.<
LP gas is already available around the country at campgrounds, hardware stores, and the like. It would have to be made available in far larger quantities, for many people to convert their cars to LP gas.
That said, LP gasoline generators are far more thirsty than are gasoline generators, and I think they burn hotter. Converting cars to LP would alleviate some of the strain on oil usage, but would it be cheaper or more energy efficient?
If someone else has information on this, please comment.
Will we find a alternative energy method that allows the "recharge" or refueling and availability to be as ubiquitous as your local gas stations?
Hydrogen depot on every corner with different brands and competitive prices? LNG on every corner? It takes me maybe 5 minutes to refuel my car - will we see batteries that fully charge in 5 minutes? For every alternative discussed, think about the ease of recharging, or refueling, or whatever it takes to keep you moving, and will it be as common as our current gas stations?
Then, think about creating all of these "alternatives" AND the requisite recharging/refueling stations required. Then, compare the time it will take to get the variety of "alternatives" as common as today's gas stations. The 5-10 year "drill here, drill now" seems far more reasonable after this analysis. A phased increase in gasoline efficiency and technology that reduces pollutants, petroleum is still cost-effective.
Long Haul trucking is where the propane ought to get initiated sooner. If trucking shuts down, America grinds into anarchy and starvation in the big cities. We also need coal gassification, a.s.a.p. Establishing nuclear waste disposal at plate subduction zones in the deep oceans would also kick start the nuclear to electricity industry.
I am no expert. But...
120 octane for starters. So you could go higher compression ratio or Turbo-charged Direct Injection to tale advantage of that. The disadvantages as I understand them is the gaseous fuel would replace the air and a power loss took place (with carburetors) . A fuel economy penalty because of lower overall BTU's per gallon.
Roush Engineering claims they have taken care of the power loss with their F150 truck conversions. The Mileage disadvantage, I am not sure of at this point.
I am waiting to see a serious Direct Injected Gaseous Engine in production. Watch Bajaj Scooters from India. They are working on a DI 2 stroke scooter or tuk-tuk.
In many countries the price point of these fuels are much lower.
Again I say, a Series Hybrid like the Chevy Volt with an engine at a constant RPM and regenerative breaking would be a great fit for gaseous fuels being it is already an efficient planform, and if you plug in at home and have a gaseous filling station at home, you would potentially be off the refinery grid.
Either Gaseous or a serious coal to oil via the Fisher-Tropsch Process for our Trucks and Airlines.
If you go CTL , save the gaseous for the cars. Australia is doing some interesting things in terms of research for trucking and off road equipment to go the gaseous route.
Thanks for the reply. I did a search on the Chevy Volt. This little thing looks to have some real promise. Since an engine used for generating electricity doesn’t have a real draw, as in pulling a car up a hill, GM just may blow the imports out of the water.
I wonder how much safety we’ll have to trade for energy efficiency, though.
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