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Mysterious Midair Dent in Jetlinerís Nose
The New York Times ^ | July 7, 2008 | Micheline Maynard

Posted on 07/08/2008 10:39:50 PM PDT by george76

Don’t blame a bird for the punch that the Northwest Airlines plane took in the nose on Sunday.

Northwest is now examining the dented nose cone of a Boeing 757 jet that was damaged during a flight from Detroit to Tampa. Images snapped by passengers... show the front tip of the plane looking a bit like a beer cup smashed in after a football game.

Kathleen Bergen, a spokeswoman for the F.A.A. in Atlanta, said pilots heard a bang when the plane was at 18,000 feet during its descent into Tampa. Its radar went out, prompting the crew to suspect a problem with the fiberglass cover of the nose cone, called a radome.

They slowed the aircraft and notified air traffic control officials. However, the crew did not declare an emergency before landing safely.

(Excerpt) Read more at thelede.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Michigan; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 757; airlines; boeing; boeing757; callingartbell; faa; northwest; northwestairlines

1 posted on 07/08/2008 10:39:50 PM PDT by george76
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2 posted on 07/08/2008 10:43:37 PM PDT by Polybius
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3 posted on 07/08/2008 10:48:55 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: JennysCool

What? Nonsense?


4 posted on 07/08/2008 10:49:46 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: george76

There is an angel in heaven somewhere with a massive headache.


5 posted on 07/08/2008 11:03:24 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: george76

A Northwest Airlines 757-200 sustained damage inflight Sunday as it neared Tampa, Fla. The plane's nose cone, also known as the radome, was dented. While a bird was the initial suspect, regulators are now saying the dent apparently resulted from "internal structural failure." The plane landed safely. (Special to Pioneer Press: Peter Brylinke---http://www.twincities.com/ci_9818109?source=most_viewed

6 posted on 07/08/2008 11:12:59 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

That looks like nothing more than a rotten radome collapsing in flight.

And since NWA farmed out most all of its maintenance I can beleive that that is the case.


7 posted on 07/08/2008 11:24:05 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Polybius

Poor Santa!


8 posted on 07/08/2008 11:28:21 PM PDT by skr (I serve a risen Savior!)
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To: rawhide

Oh BTW, I made that determination at first glance of the image before I read anything.


9 posted on 07/08/2008 11:42:46 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: rawhide

Would hail do this kind of damage ?


10 posted on 07/09/2008 12:06:14 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: valkyry1

Could some sort of sudden change in pressure do this? If it were a bird or another object I think you would either have a mark from that object or some paint taken off the nosecone. I am guessing a dented nosecone doesn’t effect the handling of an aircraft all that much?


11 posted on 07/09/2008 12:23:40 AM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: valkyry1

*laughs* Least I’m not the only one who came to the same conclusion on seeing the image. Read the story, was thinking bird, then saw the nose cone and just said ‘internal failure’.


12 posted on 07/09/2008 12:24:17 AM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

No, but a guy floating around in a lawn chair would!! Or maybe it is some of that strange greenish-blue frozen water that mysteriously falls out of the sky?? LOL


13 posted on 07/09/2008 12:24:39 AM PDT by biff
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To: rawhide

Collision with a Red Chinese MiG?

It’s happened before......


14 posted on 07/09/2008 3:01:41 AM PDT by elcid1970 (My cartridges are dipped in pig grease.)
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To: kingu

It does seem suspicious that the exact tip of the nose of the plane would be impacted.


15 posted on 07/09/2008 3:38:49 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: rawhide

“While a bird was the initial suspect,..........”

I wonder what type of oxygen mask the bird was wearing at 18,000 feet?


16 posted on 07/09/2008 3:52:09 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Would hail do this kind of damage ?

At 18,000 feet?

17 posted on 07/09/2008 4:04:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: LukeL

Look for a goose with a dented honker.


18 posted on 07/09/2008 4:11:36 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Having been a professional pilot for nearly 30 years, I can state these as facts:

1. Hail can indeed do this type of damage. Unlikely in this case because it would also have damaged a large part of the skin of the aircraft, especially the leading edge of the wings.

2. 18,000’ is not the highest altitude where hail damage has occurred. Hail is created by water being constantly “rolled” up and down inside of a thunderstorm cell by up and down drafts. The level of energy in the cell determines how long the water “rolls” and when finally released, that alone determines the size of the hail stones. You have seen “golfball” and “softball” size hail in the news. The larger ones usually occur in the more southern states, where thunderstorm cells can reach in excess of 60,000’ altitude.


19 posted on 07/09/2008 4:28:19 AM PDT by lildoc511 (USAF pilot vet / retired airline pilot and longtime lurker!)
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To: mosaicwolf

Large birds have been seen as high as 40,000 ft.


20 posted on 07/09/2008 4:32:25 AM PDT by wrench
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To: george76

“Blue” Ice dropped from a jet liner at 30,000 feet?


21 posted on 07/09/2008 4:36:03 AM PDT by Lazarus Starr
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To: george76

bttt


22 posted on 07/09/2008 4:49:07 AM PDT by Guenevere (Solus Christus)
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23 posted on 07/09/2008 4:52:32 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (The world WILL be cleaner, safer and more productive without Islam.)
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24 posted on 07/09/2008 4:55:14 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: george76

NW Airlines? No surprise. They’re the home built, primer coated, grease monkey jalopies of the air.


25 posted on 07/09/2008 6:09:14 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: george76
There are no stringers backing up the nose cone of an airplane . Could be plain fatigue failure due to air pressure, given maybe an initial crack there.... Or maybe they hit a bird.
26 posted on 07/09/2008 6:42:25 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Hail usually makes hundreds of smaller dents - all along the leading edges of the tail, stabilizer, wings, engine inlets, etc.

Birds do that exact kind of damage, but most of the bird-brain impact damages occur either in Washington, or the bird’s body is still stuck in radar dome.


27 posted on 07/09/2008 6:44:16 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: JennysCool

A UFO with a cloaking devise? LOL!


28 posted on 07/09/2008 7:04:38 AM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: Tolkien

HANDCOCK DID IT!


29 posted on 07/09/2008 9:03:33 AM PDT by 70th Division (If we lose the Republic we have lost it all.)
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To: Tolkien
It was the Secret Service!

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30 posted on 07/10/2008 11:24:37 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: george76

Ah well, he knew the job was dangerous when he took it...

31 posted on 07/10/2008 11:28:53 AM PDT by DemforBush
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To: george76

Clinton operatives must have thought it was Barry’s jet. oops !


32 posted on 07/10/2008 11:33:54 AM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: lildoc511
where thunderstorm cells can reach in excess of 60,000’ altitude.

I remember flying from Sydney to Hono, and over the middle of the Pacific seeing massive thunderheads, as if we were on the ground.

Really impressed me, since the 747 was probably at 37,000...

33 posted on 07/10/2008 11:35:19 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: valkyry1

It looks almost like the cone was sucked in by a pressure differential.


34 posted on 07/10/2008 12:30:59 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: lildoc511

If you slice a hailstone at the equator it looks like a tree ring slice.


35 posted on 07/10/2008 12:32:32 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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