Posted on 07/09/2008 4:21:26 AM PDT by Esther Ruth
Satanist puts faith in system
His ex-wife wants judge to force him to take daughters to Christian church
By Manya A. Brachear | Chicago Tribune reporter
July 9, 2008
ROCHESTER, Ind.—The T in Satan's name inked on Jamie Meyer's left leg is drawn to look like an upside-down cross. The crucifix suspended above his bed hangs upside down too.
Meyer's ex-wives say he also has turned their children's lives upside down since he joined the Church of Satan—an organization that eschews spirituality and celebrates man's selfish desires.
One of Meyer's ex-wives is citing his religious affiliation as the main reason an Indiana judge should restrict his visitation time to allow his three youngest daughters to attend Christian church. A Fulton County judge could decide the case Wednesday.
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>the Church of Satan — an organization that eschews spirituality and celebrates man’s selfish desires.
Sounds like the Democrat party.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/religion_theseeker/2008/07/satanist-puts-f.html#more
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Indeed, the Internal Revenue Service defines the Church of Satan as a religion. Furthermore, that’s how it defines itself.
“Satanism is the world’s first carnal religion,” said Peter Gilmore, high priest of the Manhattan-based organization founded four decades ago. “Satanists are thus atheists—not devil worshipers—and we see Satan as being a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, not a deity.”
Meyer embraced the Church of Satan when an ex-girlfriend introduced him to the “The Satanic Bible” shortly after his second divorce about two years ago. The book, written by the Church of Satan’s founder, Anton LaVey, spoke to Meyer more than any scripture ever had. It proclaimed no God, no heaven and no hell. It said Satanism had nothing to do with the devil.
Then why not just call themselves atheists and be done with it? I guess atheists don’t get to wear the cool tattoos and clothes.
I would think that it would be his actions and the actions of those he associates with that would be the issue.
People will call anything a religion in an attempt to claim they have the right to do it.
Even if he argues that he has a right to exercise his religion, his ex-wife also has a right to exercise hers. Since the two are in conflict, the best interests of the children is the deciding factor.
If his actions harm the children, or he associations with people put his children at risk, his access to the children should be limited.
Or the Episcopal church!
It seems that if someone believes in satan, then they have to believe there is a God.
Someone who is angry at the Christian church would do a lot better to either become an atheist or a member of an entirely unrelated religion.
Because throwing a tantrum is not very satisfying unless you have an outraged audience.
It’s called, “I am so cool, I worship the Devil. Except I don’t actually worship the Devil because I don’t believe in God. That’s right, I am so cool, I don’t even believe there is a God. I just believe in a religion that says it’s ok for me to do anything I want as long as I enjoy it. In fact, I am so cool, I don’t even believe in religion. But I am also so cool, that I am going to get this really cool anti-Christian symbol tattooed on myself that tells the world how much of a rebel I am. I am cool”
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn008.html#44
All men must make a decision to believe. The default is the devil/satan if they have not yet made that decision. The devil is their lord/father until they make that right decision. Specifically John 8:44
Unless something has changed this is not the case. The Church of Satan used to pride itself on the fact it had never requested or received non-profit status from the government.
I guess they lost their ideals! ;)
Well, I do certainly like to hunt wabbits.
There are some interesting doctrinal studies from one pastor I knew which he referred to as Cosmic I and Cosmic II. The work KOSMOS in the Greek is opposite to CHAOS. KOSMOS is essentially a system of order or placing something random into an orderly fashion. It is also translated as the world or worldly system.
It is possible to place things in order through faith in Christ and it is possible to order things independent of God.
Those things ordered independent of Him will be tested and burnt up, while those ordered through faith in Him will qualify for good works.
The Cosmic I and Cosmic II doctrines deal with the qualification of sin on the mind and thinking of the sinner.
WRT the believer, who falls out of fellowship, he grieves the Holy Spirit. This is Cosmic I. God responds by disciplining his children whom He loves to correct them. The degenerate believer might either return to God through facing Him and confessing his sin to God through faith in Christ,..or,..he might continue to rebel, becoming further degenerate.
Cosmic I is simply a state of sin where the sinner is disobeying God’s will. Cosmic I may advance/descend to COSMIC II which evolves into not only disobeying what God provides, but actually attacking God and His system and His provision.
It’s interesting to observe how those who willfully reject God, even after having been devout believers, may fall into this category.
This also well explains how many a believer has been known to have fallen to a state where they commit some of the most heinous crimes humanly imaginable.
The first stages of the cosmic system involve attacking or counterfeiting the institutions which have been divinely established. These include volition (free will), marriage, family, and national governance.
Many laws, regulations, codes, customs and traditions have been developed in accordance with those institutions which provide blessings for believer and unbeliever alike. Those who slip into cosmic II, are frequently observed attacking those institutions initially and in later stages of reversionism or degeneracy, simply become criminally insane.
For example, good manners typically are just traditions of conduct or behavior recognizing and respecting the volition of others. Opening the door for a woman, simply recognizes she may be of smaller stature and less able physically to open the door, and that courtesy lessens the chance of the task interrupting her thinking and impeding her volition in common everyday life.
One doesn’t have to open the door, no right has been infringed, but it is a graceful courtesy in some situations. On the other hand, a 100lb wimp opening the door for Venus and Serena Williams might actually promote arrogance and lessen the frame of mind of humility towards God.
The same applies to other divinely established institutions. Drugs upon volition, homosexuality upon marriage and family, adultery upon marriage, abortion upon life and family, divorce upon family, socialism upon family, regionalization upon nationality, globalism upon nationalism, etc.
In the case of satanism, I suspect many involved are very egotistical, thinking that by worshipping something powerful while promoting their personal interests, is more satiating to them in their thinking than any alternative.
IMHO, there is a litany of possible reasons people use to rebel from God, but none are valid or true, but will manifest their impotence in time.
Upside down crosses are a dead giveaway...
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." — Thomas Jefferson
Anyone espousing the CoS garbage back then would certainly not have been welcome in any town or municipality.
reagan_fanatic: "I have a feeling that most of them fall into that category."
"LaVeyan" or not, it is a bunch of pathetic nonsense.
reagan_fanatic: I have a feeling that most of them fall into that category.
"LaVeyan" or not, it is a bunch of pathetic nonsense about esoteric hobgoblins no better or worse than the asinine religiosity of astrology. (edit)
Or, some would say ANY religion in a general sense. I'm not one of those, even if I am not Judeo-Christian.
Rebellion. The devil allows you to do as you please. However, he knows the real truth is that a life not ordered on God is a life condemned with him. And the devil wants man condemned with him... why? Because he hates God so much and is so impotent in his rage that he vomits his disgust on God's image and likeness.
The polemic religion of anti-Judeo-Christianity is only second to Islam in absurdity.
Like it or not, the foundation of human freedom was built upon the philosophy of Moses - - individual rights are not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch.
see #25...
You've obviously never read Leviticus. There isn't a whole lot of freedom left once you start listing Biblical prohibitions out.
Unless you mean the "Golden Rule", which gets into even murkier territory as to which religion came up with that one first.
That's like asking what brand of automobile the Founders drove.
Further more, this is the same liberal logic used by gun grabbers against the Second. "Well, the Founders never envisioned full auto firearms.... so the Second doesn't apply."
BS. Either we have religious freedom, or we don't. You are advocating for the "don't" side of things right now...
“And do as thou will shall be the whole of the law”
What a load of pig excrement.
Oh...I see thats how its done. Re-frame the argument to make me a liberal? --chuckle. Retarded. Are you seriously going to tell me they were live and let live libertarians? Or are you going to at least admit they were against Satanists?
.BS. Either we have religious freedom, or we don't. You are advocating for the "don't" side of things right now...
We do have it...but do not mistake that you can be the follower of a religion that espouses blood and death to people and have protection for it. Some would dare say that this should include the islamofacists of today but people are too afraid of calling them out to demand they denounce the practice of murder of "infidels." I believe liberals are the ones protecting them there eh?
Nope. Just pointing out where YOU were doing so with your little logic flub.
Or are you going to at least admit they were against Satanists?
There were no "Satanists" back then moron...
Wow...you're a real "logic" debate genious. I am confident you are always surrounded by "morons" peaches!
"Genious"? Are you friggin' kidding me? LOL
Like it or not, the foundation of human freedom was built upon the philosophy of Moses - - individual rights are not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch.
You've obviously never read Leviticus.
I don't need to... Yahweh is not an earthly monarch.
Pharaoh was considered a god. Moses usurped him with an idea.
What a load of pig excrement.
Aleister Crowley, who openly supported the National Socialists, was affiliated with Ordo Templi Orientis, Golden Dawn, A.A. (Order of the Silver Star) and other such occult lodges all across Europe. Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder. Much of the occultism in National Socialism is derived directly from there.
Crowley envisioned himself as the Great Beast (Το Μεγα Θηριον), just as der Fuhrer made himself in that image. Hitler's life as a struggling, inept artist was where that association blossomed.
Crowley's creed, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law," which is actually from Francois Rabelais and used by Neo-Pagan nutcases without attribution for obvious politically correct reasons, is with certainty no different than the National Socialist "will to power," or their ubermensch mentality.
It is also no accident Nietzsche's "over-man" and nihilist philosophy and resulting insanity from venereal disease closely mirrors the insanity of der Fuhrer.
These occult orders, sex and drug cults still survive today, as do the Neo-pagan, Neo-Nazi groups, black supremacist Rastafarian potheads, prison gangs and other related filth.
Crowley occultism is also from where L. Ron Hubbard emerges with Scientology.
Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan: with selected variants from the Latin edition of 1668. Ed. Edwin Curley. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994.
http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/hobbes/leviathan-contents.html
Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth.
Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.[12] And first, for the tormentors, we have their nature and properties exactly and properly delivered by the names of the Enemy (or Satan), the Accuser (or Diabolus), the Destroyer (or Abaddon). Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality, and are therefore appellatives, which ought not to have been left untranslated (as they are in the Latin and modern Bibles), because thereby they seem to be the proper names of demons, and men are the more easily seduced to believe the doctrine of devils, which at that time was the religion of the Gentiles, and contrary to that of Moses, and of Christ.
[13] And because by the Enemy, the Accuser, and Destroyer, is meant the enemy of them that shall be in the kingdom of God, therefore if the kingdom of God after the resurrection be upon the earth (as in the former Chapter I have shewn by Scripture it seems to be), the Enemy and his kingdom must be on earth also. For so also was it in the time before the Jews had deposed God. For God’s kingdom was in Palestine (Israel), and the nations round about were the kingdoms of the Enemy; and consequently, by Satan is meant any earthly enemy of the Church. (
Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlv. Of Demonology and other Relics of the Religion of the Gentiles[16] And whereas a man can fancy shapes he never saw, making up a figure out of the parts of divers creatures, as the poets make their centaurs, chimeras and other monsters never seen, so can he also give matter to those shapes, and make them in wood, clay or metal. And these are also called images, not for the resemblance of any corporeal thing, but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker. But in these idols, as they are originally in the brain, and as they are painted, carved moulded or molten in matter, there is a similitude of one to the other, for which the material body made by art may be said to be the image of the fantastical idol made by nature.
Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness[1] Besides these sovereign powers, divine and human, of which I have hitherto discoursed, there is mention in Scripture of another power, namely, that of “the rulers of the darkness of this world,” [Ephesians, 6. 12] “the kingdom of Satan,” [Matthew, 12. 26] and “the principality of Beelzebub over demons,” [Ibid., 9. 34] that is to say, over phantasms that appear in the air: for which cause Satan is also called “the prince of the power of the air”; [Ephesians, 2. 2] and, because he ruleth in the darkness of this world, “the prince of this world”:[John, 16. 11] and in consequence hereunto, they who are under his dominion, in opposition to the faithful, who are the “children of the light,” are called the “children of darkness.” For seeing Beelzebub is prince of phantasms, inhabitants of his dominion of air and darkness, the children of darkness, and these demons, phantasms, or spirits of illusion, signify allegorically the same thing. This considered, the kingdom of darkness, as it is set forth in these and other places of the Scripture, is nothing else but a confederacy of deceivers that, to obtain dominion over men in this present world, endeavour, by dark and erroneous doctrines, to extinguish in them the light, both of nature and of the gospel; and so to disprepare them for the kingdom of God to come.
You are a precious one! Enjoy the catch..its all you have in life.
Do what thou wilt = satanist credo
If it feels good, do it = liberal credo
Many liberals practice satanism without even knowing it.
Mohamed and Ahura Mazda are not “Earthly monarchs” either. Do you really want to stick to that line of reasoning?
Just keep telling yourself that Cupcake...
The very idea that individual rights do not come from an earthly monarch began with Moses.
LOL!! Peaches and Cupcake!!
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