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Merkel warns Obama not to use landmark for 'electioneering'
Agence France-Presse ^ | July 9, 2008 | Deborah Cole

Posted on 07/09/2008 12:26:12 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

BERLIN (AFP) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel has slammed a request by Barack Obama to give a speech this month before the Brandenburg Gate as inappropriate, her deputy spokesman said Wednesday.

The conservative leader said that while she would be pleased to meet the US Democratic presidential hopeful, it would be wrong for him to hold a "campaign rally" at the historic symbol of German unity.

"It is unusual to do electioneering abroad," spokesman Thomas Steg told reporters.

"It is unusual to hold election rallies abroad. No German candidate for high office would even think of using the National Mall (in Washington) or Red Square in Moscow for a rally because it would not be seen as appropriate."

Authorities in the capital have confirmed that Obama plans to visit Berlin on July 24 and is interested in speaking at the foot of the Brandenburg Gate.

The left-leaning government of the city-state, which has the sole right to approve such a request, has not yet made a formal decision but Mayor Klaus Wowereit gave his backing Tuesday.

Steg said Merkel had "limited understanding" for such a request and found the Obama team's initiative "a bit odd". But he said it was up to candidates such as Obama to decide what was "in good taste".

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Germany
KEYWORDS: arrogance; barackhussein; hitler; idiotbama; ignorance; merkel; nationalsocialist; nobama; notbreaking; obama; socialist
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1 posted on 07/09/2008 12:26:12 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

B. Hussein Obama is a buffoon.


2 posted on 07/09/2008 12:29:01 PM PDT by WayneS (And now I shall return to my hovel and cling to my guns ... until it is time to go to Church)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
But... what about Obama's Triumph of Will Tour?
3 posted on 07/09/2008 12:30:05 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Nuremberg *would* be a better fit for him.


4 posted on 07/09/2008 12:34:24 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Ich bin ein Scheisskopf.


5 posted on 07/09/2008 12:35:31 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: TheWasteLand

Maybe he could grow a toothbrush mustache between now and then and work on his raised arm salute.


6 posted on 07/09/2008 12:37:10 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: N. Theknow

Ich bin ein Scheisskopf.


What is a Scheisskopf? I can imagine it has something to do with a horses _ss.


7 posted on 07/09/2008 12:37:51 PM PDT by unkus
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To: unkus
Scheiss is the emission from a horse's rear, or any other rear for that matter.

And Kopf is head.

More demonstrative than calling someone a dumbkopf.

8 posted on 07/09/2008 12:41:17 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: unkus

Sh!thead.


9 posted on 07/09/2008 12:41:17 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Free ThinkerNY
well, there you go.......

He's an affirmative action idiot. Who can't even fathom how it would be for a Japanese politician to campaign at Gettysburg memorial, Arizona memorial or Iwo Jima monument.....

The funny thing is that he's GOT to be smart cause of course he went to HARVARD. We know that you're a genius to go there... just ask them.

10 posted on 07/09/2008 12:41:26 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"It is unusual to do electioneering abroad," spokesman Thomas Steg told reporters. Not unusal for Obama and the Dems. He's got phone banks in Gaza! Run by Hamas! John Kerry had banks in Australia. Remember, "think globally, act locally". BTW, love the poster! You need to add Karl Marx.
11 posted on 07/09/2008 12:41:57 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: N. Theknow

no cussing...hahahahaha


12 posted on 07/09/2008 12:41:58 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I guess he’s too busy campaigning in Europe to go to Iraq.


13 posted on 07/09/2008 12:42:59 PM PDT by airborne (End the "open primary" system now!!! Only Republicans should vote in Republican primaries!)
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To: WayneS
B. Hussein Obama is a buffoon.******

But unless right of center Americans get over their funk the haloed one WILL BE the 44th POTUS, and by 2011 he WILL control all three branches of government. Then the so called working Americans, read that as consumers of taxpayer largesse, will continually vote en masse to preserve their rice bowl. By 2016 the New Deal and Great Society programs will look like something designed by Barry Goldwater in comparison to the the haloed one's America.

14 posted on 07/09/2008 12:42:59 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Freedom is purchased not with gold, but with steel!!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Silly me. I knew that. LOL Thanks.


15 posted on 07/09/2008 12:47:59 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Free ThinkerNY

American liberals have no shame. They used Paul Wellstone’s funeral as a political rally, so this is par for the course if you are a stinking liberal (redundant).


16 posted on 07/09/2008 12:48:18 PM PDT by lormand ("The Planet is fine, the people are $%#ed up" - George Carlin)
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To: WayneS

Obummer wants his John Kennedy momment. He doesn’t realize that Kennedy went there as President and made comments in support of the German people. Obummer wants to make comments to support himself.


17 posted on 07/09/2008 12:48:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: DoughtyOne

That was my thought. He wants to go there and ala JFK, proclaim himself a donut.


18 posted on 07/09/2008 12:50:55 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (0bambi: the audacity of hype)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Go, Angela!


19 posted on 07/09/2008 12:52:30 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Hoffer Rand

The guy is desparate for some stature, and doesn’t realize it comes with time. He’s an empty suit, and he knows it better than we do.


20 posted on 07/09/2008 12:53:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

FANTASTIC! That is easily the best poster I’ve seen.


21 posted on 07/09/2008 12:54:55 PM PDT by Nipfan
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"It is unusual to hold election rallies abroad. No German candidate for high office would even think of using the National Mall (in Washington) or Red Square in Moscow for a rally because it would not be seen as appropriate."

BINGO

Just when you think this man's hubris can't get any worse - it does.

Truly mind-boggling.

Will be yet another case of a huge misjudgment? Will he, once again, have to change course?

He had to take down his Presidential seal within days - illegal, a crime - and he just had to reconnoiter on the raffle scheme for seats at his coronation - that was also illegal.

Not only does he not have good judgement, and despite being a lawyer doesn't have a clue about simple legalities - but evidently his judgment in advisers isn't too solid either.

Yep. He brings a lot of change alright. Whatever he does/says today, he will need to change tomorrow.

OBAMA. CHANGE ON EVERY ISSUE/STAND EVERYDAY. ................. YOU CAN BELIEVE IT.

22 posted on 07/09/2008 12:56:13 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2042999/posts


23 posted on 07/09/2008 12:56:13 PM PDT by lonevoice (John McCain was a Kinoki foot pad in the Reagan Revolution)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

LOL! I love the graphic! :)


24 posted on 07/09/2008 12:57:43 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (LIBERALS SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR THE "COMMON GOOD.")
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To: unkus
What is a Scheisskopf? I can imagine it has something to do with a horses _ss.

Like the end we see departing?

25 posted on 07/09/2008 12:57:50 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama Over Germany?


26 posted on 07/09/2008 12:59:29 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Free ThinkerNY
No German candidate for high office would even think of using the National Mall (in Washington)...

Great point.

27 posted on 07/09/2008 1:03:03 PM PDT by McGruff (This is not the [insert name here] I knew.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Well, at least the donut is apropos. When JFK did it, it was a “lost in translation” flub. In 0bambi’s case, it’s the truth. It signifies his campaign. “I’m 0bama, and I got nothin’ “


28 posted on 07/09/2008 1:03:05 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (0bambi: the audacity of hype)
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To: DoughtyOne

... German Chancellor Tells Obama “Nein” on Speech Location

It is just a matter of the appropriate backdrop. Negotiations are underway between the Obama advance team and the office of the Berlin Mayor, Klaus Wowereit, to hold the speech in front of the Brandenburg Gate, close to the line that traces the route of the Berlin Wall. The newly built US embassy nestles alongside. So too does a museum honouring John F. Kennedy. If, as expected, Mr Obama is going to deliver a phrase in German (the insider tip is: “I can listen!” — “ich kann zuhoeren!”) and fling out his arms in the direction of Russia and Central Europe, then this surely is the place.
But, say advisers to Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, it would be tantamount to giving the German stamp of approval to Mr Obama, an undue interference in the election campaign.

Technically the decision lies with the Berlin Mayor, a flamboyant, openly gay Social Democrat, who quite relishes the idea of irritating the conservative Chancellor. The toing and froing between the various seats of power in Berlin is thus likely to continue until the last minute.


29 posted on 07/09/2008 1:04:21 PM PDT by griswold3 (Al qaeda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I will stop
I will stop at nothing
Say the right things when electioneering
I trust I can rely on your vote


30 posted on 07/09/2008 1:07:05 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: airborne

Or to go to Alaska (you know, the largest of our 57 states). But he has plenty of time to go to Berlin.

This guy is an entirely new kind of jerkoff.


31 posted on 07/09/2008 1:07:40 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: WayneS

He’s a black hole.


32 posted on 07/09/2008 1:08:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He wants to rebuild the Berlin Wall.

He will build a wall to keep Americans in the U.S., to rape them of their accumulated wealth to share with his voters.


33 posted on 07/09/2008 1:08:51 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualProsperity
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To: WayneS; Free ThinkerNY
For those who don't get the black hole comment, go to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2043035/posts

Obama is a vacuum into which reason, common sense and intelligence disappear, never to be seen again.

34 posted on 07/09/2008 1:14:33 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

This guy has accomplished a couple of things I once thought was damn near impossible. First, he has made me actually nostalgic for Hillary - cankles, cackles and all. Second, he has turned me into a strong fan of John McCain. So all I can say to Obama is ‘keep it up!’, because you might turn out to be exactly what is needed to unite the Republican Party again.


35 posted on 07/09/2008 1:15:07 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Hoffer Rand

Did Kennedy use the wrong words. Seems I may have heard of that at one time, but it isn’t clear to me now.


36 posted on 07/09/2008 1:15:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: griswold3

Thank you for the background. Very nice.


37 posted on 07/09/2008 1:16:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Maybe some German’s are upset about this because they know a dictator wannabe when they see one. They’ve spent the last 60+ years trying to apologize for their brutal anti-semitism during WW2, now an anti-semitic US prez candidate wants to campaign on their soil. Barack Obama: The Global Candidate.


38 posted on 07/09/2008 1:20:14 PM PDT by smedley64 (Dems go all-in every 4 years with a 7-2 offsuit marxist, hoping to hit the flop big just one time.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Ich bin ein Berliner Dummkopf! (/jfk wannbee)
39 posted on 07/09/2008 1:23:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

I thought I remembered him using the wrong words too, but was corrected the other day that it was just a long held urban myth, and that he’d actually used the proper phrase and grammar.


40 posted on 07/09/2008 1:25:01 PM PDT by smedley64 (Dems go all-in every 4 years with a 7-2 offsuit marxist, hoping to hit the flop big just one time.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Kenedy said "Ich bin ein Berliner" which is perfectly good German. He was expressing unity with the German people. "Berliner" in this case means a resident of Berlin.

"Berliner" is also German slang for what we would call a jelly doughnut, so many non-Germans thought that he had made a mistake. The Germans, for whom the speech was intended, had no problem whatsoever understanding his meaning. Even in those days the MSM had an agenda... sadly.

If I went today to NYC and proclaimed that I was a New Yorker, only the idiots would think that I was claiming to be either a magazine or a Chrysler. :-)

41 posted on 07/09/2008 1:27:45 PM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And to think he wanted to reach out the parts of the world the Bush admin. had forsaken. He’s already in trouble.


42 posted on 07/09/2008 1:28:07 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: smedley64

Thanks Smedley. I’m sure you weren’t alone. Take care.


43 posted on 07/09/2008 1:32:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: NCjim

It makes perfect sense to me, what he said. I don’t know German, but the concept is very clear.

I appreciate your response.


44 posted on 07/09/2008 1:33:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: DoughtyOne
There are a few versions of what JFK really said with the “Ich bin ein Berliner” part of his speech. Claims that it translates back into English as “I am a woman ( jelly doughnut, sandwich, and pancake have also been used )” may not be true.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historical/a/jfk_berliner.htm

45 posted on 07/09/2008 1:35:52 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: DoughtyOne
He’s an empty suit, and he knows it better than we do.

Empty suits think they are far better than they are. A good man knows his limitations. An empty suit has confidence in his inexperience.

46 posted on 07/09/2008 1:38:38 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED)
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To: frankiep

Me too! I never thought I’d regard Hillary as almost a statesmanlike figure, but compared to Obama, she sure is. And while I have disliked McCain since day one, he suddenly looks - well, like the guy I’m going to vote for. Pretty amazing.


47 posted on 07/09/2008 1:44:46 PM PDT by livius
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To: N. Theknow
Ich bin ein Scheisskopf.

Unless a Scheisskopf is something to be eaten, the proper German would be "Ich bin Scheisskopf." Using "ein" changes the meaning completely.

When JFK stood before the Brandenburg Gate and said, "Ich bin ein Berliner," what he was actually saying in German was "I am a jelly doughnut." To say "I am a Berliner," he should have said "Ich bin Berliner."

48 posted on 07/09/2008 1:51:26 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"It is unusual to do electioneering abroad," spokesman Thomas Steg told reporters.

Not for the first World-Elected President. Why, the election will be a mere formality by then, a little something to mark time between now and the coronation.

We can hope for over-reach but I think the American public is numb enough to it by now not to notice his Nuremburg-in-Colorado moment or the fact that he's on a triumphant world tour before he's even been voted in. Hussein's handlers figure they're giving the Germans the President they want, and see nothing presumptuous about it. Certainly if the newly-crowned Nancy Pelosi can travel the world conducting her own foreign policy a Presidential candidate can do the same. A reminder to anyone snickering - she got away with it.

49 posted on 07/09/2008 1:59:06 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SJSAMPLE

Or to be more accurate: Horse-s*it Head.

:)


50 posted on 07/09/2008 2:04:47 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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