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McCain Rips Gramm [Exile Him to Belarus???]
MSNBC First Read ^ | 2008-07-10 | Domenico Montanaro

Posted on 07/10/2008 12:54:41 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

McCain slammed economic adviser Phil Gramm for his “mental recession” and “nation of whiners” comment. He said he didn’t agree with him and even proposed a position in a McCain administration -- ambassador to Belarus, “though I’m not sure the citizens of Minsk would welcome that,” McCain said.

“I don’t agree with Sen. Gramm,” McCain said at a news conference this afternoon. “I believe that the person here in Michigan who just lost their job, isn’t suffering from a ‘mental recession.’ The mother here who is trying to get enough money to feed her children, isn’t ‘whining.’”

“Phil Gramm doesn’t speak for me, I speak for me. I strongly disagree,” McCain continued, speaking of the man who some speculated could be Treasury Secretary in a McCain administration.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 2008; anationofwhiners; election; electionpresident; elections; gramm; johnmccain; juanmccain; koolaid; mccain; mccainlist; philgramm; rino; rinoalert; rinofight; rinos
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Exile him to Belarus??? What a comeback.

1 posted on 07/10/2008 12:54:41 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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Juan should be exiled to Mexico for his stupidity.

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2 posted on 07/10/2008 12:56:32 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Off balance sheet liabilities...they're not just for Enron anymore!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Good. Now I’ll believe all of them when they give up their lifetime healthcare benefits, free cars, and other perks that the citizens that they are supposed to be SERVING don’t have.

Until then, there are two parties. Them and us.


3 posted on 07/10/2008 12:59:54 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: rabscuttle385

For an entertaining thread on this, see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2043410/posts


4 posted on 07/10/2008 1:00:06 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: rabscuttle385

Oh my. McCain decide to get tough...with his own people. As for Barry and the Party of the ASS, why their just peachy keen.


5 posted on 07/10/2008 1:00:49 PM PDT by rod1
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To: Lijahsbubbe
"there are two parties. Them and us."

You said it there, partner.
6 posted on 07/10/2008 1:01:59 PM PDT by CowboyJay (There's always 2012...)
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To: rabscuttle385

What a great example McCain uses. Michigan. Liberal overload. That State could be used for example of how NOT, but to throw Phil Gramm under the bus with Michigan as example is blatantly stupid. Same if he were to have used California.

Concerned for this November folks, very concerned.


7 posted on 07/10/2008 1:02:57 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Phil Gramm is a fine man. He was an excellent senator with many good ideas. He does not deserve this lambasting from McCain. McCain does not need to demonstrate his empathy for those in difficult times by trashing a good man like Phil Gramm.


8 posted on 07/10/2008 1:03:51 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: rabscuttle385
"the person here in Michigan who just lost their job, isn’t suffering from a ‘mental recession.’ The mother here who is trying to get enough money to feed her children, isn’t ‘whining."

Yeah they are. That's exactly what they are doing.


9 posted on 07/10/2008 1:03:57 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: rabscuttle385

May we presume you prefer Obama? Because barring hell freezing over, that’s the only other choice.


10 posted on 07/10/2008 1:05:45 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: rabscuttle385

Running over all of those advisers has to be rough on the tires and suspension system of the bus.


11 posted on 07/10/2008 1:06:27 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The worst nominee in GOP history keeps showing his stuff.

I hate this election.


12 posted on 07/10/2008 1:06:49 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: rabscuttle385
America right now is a nation of whiners. Barrack Obama would be nowhere close to even being a Senator if we were not .

The Drive Bys make it sound like we are in a 1929 Depression.

People are moaning and groaning about the cost of gas, but they will show up in numbers to buy the new Iphone at $200 a pop. Likewise they will wait at their local Gamestop for the latest game console and spend $$$$ over and beyond the cost on Ebay if they can't get one .

13 posted on 07/10/2008 1:07:18 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: rabscuttle385
There is no "mental recession". There is a recession. If the people outside of the ivory tower (forget the GDP stats) believe there is a recession, than there is one. There is, and real Americans are reminded of that every time we go to the gas pump.

The economy sucks. Housing market is rough. Gas prices are at record levels. Food costs increasing. Energy costs increasing. Taxes increasing. All these are stuff that I live with at home every single day. That's not mental recession. That's what we see with our wallets close to home.

Until the politicians realize that, than they have their heads up their asses.

14 posted on 07/10/2008 1:07:47 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: rabscuttle385
There is a reason I call him John MeCain, Party of One!

Juan McAmnesty MeCain- "I distance myself from everyone but myself and I pledge to even rebuke myself if asked by my friends across the isle."

15 posted on 07/10/2008 1:08:18 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: rabscuttle385

Please add me to your ping list.


16 posted on 07/10/2008 1:08:25 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: Ben Chad
May we presume you prefer Obama?

Hell no.

Because barring hell freezing over, that’s the only other choice.

With all of McCain's talk about climate change, who knows, hell might freeze over this year.

17 posted on 07/10/2008 1:08:30 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Off balance sheet liabilities...they're not just for Enron anymore!)
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To: beltfed308

Done! Welcome aboard.


18 posted on 07/10/2008 1:09:05 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Off balance sheet liabilities...they're not just for Enron anymore!)
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To: businessprofessor; rod1

McCain’s very tough and aggressive.

Against Republicans.

Remaining to be seen: can he be tough and aggressive against Democrats?

Maybe we’ll find out if he ever starts campaigning.


19 posted on 07/10/2008 1:09:06 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: All

Actually McCain was right to blast Phil Gramm...but of course silly to let him get near the campaign in the first place. Their politics are just the same

Gramm has a PhD in Economics....which means he doesnt understand economics. What a bonehead, making comments like that

Bet that Gramm is a liberal free trader whacko “America sucks” nutty Globalist.

America is not full of whiners. We are tired of anti-American politicians trying to masquerade as conservatives loving America...while trashing our borders and sucking up to the narco-terrorists, petro-terrorists, and the Commie Chinese


20 posted on 07/10/2008 1:10:34 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (John McCain Wants To Re-Educate...er Re-Train Me)
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To: rabscuttle385

*Sigh* Both of you. This isn’t helping.


21 posted on 07/10/2008 1:11:41 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Darren McCarty
If the people outside of the ivory tower (forget the GDP stats) believe there is a recession, than there is one.

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read all day.

The people outside the ivory tower believe whatever the box in their air-conditioned living rooms tells them to believe. They don't even know what a recession is.

22 posted on 07/10/2008 1:12:54 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: businessprofessor
Phil Gramm is a fine man. He was an excellent senator with many good ideas. He does not deserve this lambasting from McCain. McCain does not need to demonstrate his empathy for those in difficult times by trashing a good man like Phil Gramm.

Gramm got what he deserved for twisting himself and his principles into a pretzel to support the Big-Government candidate McCain.

This is what happens when you lie down with pigs (so to speak), you get dirty.
23 posted on 07/10/2008 1:16:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Another McCain dissappointment.


24 posted on 07/10/2008 1:17:20 PM PDT by nettahoney
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To: rabscuttle385

Geeze,
The lose that McCain and the republicans are about to face is going to be staggering.


25 posted on 07/10/2008 1:18:49 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: CowboyJay
even proposed a position in a McCain administration -- ambassador to Belarus

Funny that McCain referenced Belarus. I see the US government as becoming more like the Kremlin as time goes on. The elite in government take from the citizens and disperse it how they see fit, while they live in privilege. I guess even McCain sees the similarity.

26 posted on 07/10/2008 1:19:53 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: nettahoney

He can only disappoint you if you expect anything from him. He consistently lives up to my expectations.


27 posted on 07/10/2008 1:20:33 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: rabscuttle385

Cheap political theater? Get Gramm to make some kind of ridiculous off-the-cuff remark so McCain can ride in on a white horse and play the hero?


28 posted on 07/10/2008 1:20:33 PM PDT by CowboyJay (There's always 2012...)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
“The people outside the ivory tower believe whatever the box in their air-conditioned living rooms tells them to believe. They don't even know what a recession is. “

The last line is right on target. Back a year or so ago when all economic indicators were up and gas prices albeit high, didn't keep people from buying that SUV, polling showed that people thought the economy sucked. Why? Because the Drive By Media said so and never reported the correct news about the economy. Sort of like they are going silent about the good news in Iraq right now.

But it is not all the Drive Bys fault. The GOP and this White House have been the most incompetent at tooting their own horns about the good news. The Drive Bys will automatically report the good news when a Rat is in charge because it's not in their nature to report bad news about them. The next GOP leader that can grasp that concept will be the next Reagan like figure in our party. The Bushies thought the Drive Bys would help them. They thought wrong.

29 posted on 07/10/2008 1:20:40 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Another McCain dissappointment.


30 posted on 07/10/2008 1:21:17 PM PDT by nettahoney
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To: SoConPubbie

Bingo.


31 posted on 07/10/2008 1:21:21 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: rabscuttle385

Look, Senator Obama. My bus is just like yours! And I’ve got people under it, just like yours! And I am for amnesty, just like you!

And this election is about what?

When you have two people foisted upon us by the media, shame on us if we elect either one.

I do not vote for unopposed candidates and I will not vote for Tweedle Dee/Tweedle Dum.

My vote, wasted though it may be, will be a write-in for Ann Coulter.


32 posted on 07/10/2008 1:22:40 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: rabscuttle385

McWhacked only attacks those who are trying to be on his side. He never attacks those who are theoretically the opposition.

But hey, that’s why I call him McWhacked.


33 posted on 07/10/2008 1:24:22 PM PDT by Babu
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To: Ben Chad

Read muh tagline.


34 posted on 07/10/2008 1:30:33 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: rockinqsranch
So when does he throw Juan Hernandez under the bus....?


35 posted on 07/10/2008 1:34:33 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: rabscuttle385
Phil Gramm was supposed to be tutoring McCain on basic economics, and was going to be SecTreasury. I was excited about that.

Phil Gramm is a solid conservative who actually understands the economy. Little wonder that he was tossed under "The Straight Talk Express".

I'm beginning to think that McCain doesn't want to win. Actually winning would keep him from being a "maverick", and we can't have that, can we?
36 posted on 07/10/2008 1:35:49 PM PDT by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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To: Babu
McWhacked only attacks those who are trying to be on his side. He never attacks those who are theoretically the opposition. But hey, that’s why I call him McWhacked.

I'm not sure McCain can beat Obama. In his fossilized thought process, he can only really slam his own side -- not b. Hussein Obama.

He is also pretty stupid, too. What Phil Gramm said was absolutely correct.

37 posted on 07/10/2008 1:41:06 PM PDT by Stepan12 ( "We are all girlymen now." Conservative reaction to Ann Coulter's anti PC joke)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

Got a winner. Us and them. Perfect.


38 posted on 07/10/2008 1:46:01 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

America is indeed full of whiners. Of course, they’re all in the democratic party-—whining about Iraq, about the 2nd amendment, about Limbaugh and Savage, about tax cuts, about polar bears......


39 posted on 07/10/2008 1:46:21 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: SoConPubbie

I’d rather have Gramm advising McCain on economic policy than some semi-socialist compassionate conservative. In the unlikely event McCain does win, he’d be smart to make Gramm Treasury Secretary and leave economic policy to him.


40 posted on 07/10/2008 1:46:38 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: rockinqsranch

McCain does not want to be POTUS, that is unless he can run on the Democrat ticket. The fix IS in. This really proves it.

It is us & them.


41 posted on 07/10/2008 1:47:47 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Gramm’s statement was stupid. He’s already been a thorn in the campaign, because of his work to pass the Enron loophole, which is being used to cloud up what should be an easy path to drilling.

Does Gramm really believe that nobody’s house has dropped in value, that the stock market is NOT down 20%, that gasoline does NOT cost over twice what it did a couple of years ago, that heating oil is NOT through the roof, that our food costs aren’t soaring, or that a million more people are out of work?

We are not in a recession. But the economy isn’t hunky-dory either, and Gramm’s comments that we are whining did a disservice to the candidate he is claiming to support, as well as showing a callous indifference to the many people who HAVE suffered over the past two years of Democrat rule.

Which of course is the reason Gramm should be booted now — while the official message is that the Democrats have screwed things up and made everything worse, it doesn’t help to have an advisor saying that everything is great and the Democrats haven’t messed things up at all.


42 posted on 07/10/2008 1:53:37 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Darren McCarty

There is not a recession. Words have meanings, and if you redefine recession to be “I’m unhappy”, then there is no word to describe a real recession.

The economy doesn’t suck. Here in Tucson, unemployment has just edged up to 4%. Housing prices are about what they were 3 years ago. You can rent an 800 sq ft apartment for $650. Gas is going up - no shock there, since we’ve restricted production for 30 years. Taxes do not need to increase - try voting republican, if you can find a real one.

McCain is pandering to people like you, who care more about someone feeling your pain than solutions. It doesn’t help.


43 posted on 07/10/2008 1:55:32 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Old, pale and stale - McCain in 2008! but we're only one vote away from losing the 2nd amendment...)
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To: horse_doc

what a joke of a candidate MC cain is. . I just can’t believe how badly this is going. horrible, McPainful.. is this the same guy who stood up to torture for 5 years? sheesh, what has happened to him? .. in fact I’m surprised he didn’t issue a formal apology for the Graham statement. “my friends, I know you are hurting”, etc..

I through with it.. we will lose in November because McCain didn’t bother to sit down and watch a few speeches from the gipper. ( it might have reminded about the proper care and feeding of a liberal nation ).. you lead them... you tell them to quit whining.. that we are going to be just fine... that we will deal with it... that we will drill drill drill..

uggh... I’ve had it with this guy. it’s completely hopeless.


44 posted on 07/10/2008 2:00:11 PM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Price increases for gas and food are not a recession.

Home prices falling from stratospheric to merely ridiculous is not a recession. It's a correction, and one that was badly needed.

Other than those two things, there really isn't much wrong with this economy.

45 posted on 07/10/2008 2:01:09 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Obama is a Neocommunist)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Fox reporting now, Gramm stands by his comments.


46 posted on 07/10/2008 2:01:40 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: rabscuttle385

Conservatives will be glad to hear that John McCain will be getting economic advice from Phill Gramm. Never mind.


47 posted on 07/10/2008 2:03:03 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant. It is a trace gas necessary for life on earth.)
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To: businessprofessor
Yes, Phil Gramm is a fine and smart man.

Juan mccain just saved me from making a stupedo donation, with his continuation of his “maverick” stupidity of slapping his own side.

48 posted on 07/10/2008 2:05:28 PM PDT by dusttoyou
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To: Jet Jaguar

I’m with Phil on this one. We do whine. Then we look to the government for a fix. Its not good for us.


49 posted on 07/10/2008 2:05:32 PM PDT by linn37 (phlebotomist on duty,its just a little pinch)
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To: rabscuttle385
Hmmm...so you posted earlier on the Gramm thread:

Former senator Phil Gramm, a top economic adviser to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), referred to the economic slowdown as "a mental recession," and referred to the United States as “a nation of whiners.” Juan appears to possess an innate ability to pick idiots for advisers. First it was Lindsey Graham, then a failed CEO, and now Phil Gramm. Gramm to Americans: 'Shut up and Drink the Kool-Aid!'

Now when McCain criticizes Gramm for his comment, you slam McCain. You can't have it both ways.

50 posted on 07/10/2008 2:06:38 PM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Just a bitter South Carolinian clinging to my religion and guns.)
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