Bush signs spy bill and draws lawsuit (ACLU and "Journalist" don't like the law)

Yahoo ^ | 7/10/2008 | Randall Mikkelsen/Reuters

[muawiyah]

Definitely spy on Amnesty International. They are part of the terrorist apparatus.

The rest of the post is pure speculation and irrelevant. That's because it involved FOREIGN COMMUNICATIONS.

[tobyhill]

I asked for proof, as in court rulings there were violations. So far all I see is programs and speculations of programs but little to no court findings.

CAIR claims they were wiretapped but even though they probably were there’s no indication of any illegal act by the Government.

[mathluv]

'but i don’t understand why the libs wanted to set up the telephone co’s for lawsuits. that ain’t gonna fly.'

follow the money

[antiRepublicrat]

To them it's a living, breathing document that can be anything you want on any given day.

It's the same for many different Republicans, they just choose different sections of the Constitution to change on the fly to different meanings.

Time to stand up for the Constitution by throwing out the Democrats, punishing those of them who've gone over to the enemy, and tracking down enemy agents inside the country, or wherever we can find them.

Is it okay if they become an enemy of the people themelves while tracking down the enemy?

[ken21]

thanks.

i would feel better about it if our elected representatives were not such scum.

oversight by our representatives is the key issue.

[ken21]

are you saying that rich democrat lawyers

would sue american telecom providers

for personal gain

and risk another 9.11?

/s

[Bikkuri]

Before I even attempt to read the posts... I truely believe that there does have to be a 'happy medium' here... I know that the majority here will relate to '1984', there also has to be some measure for the safety of the public... Sometimes, public monitoring is the only way to catch a crook in action.. or at least get a look at his face to be able to catch the SOB. Personally, I prefer to live in the countryside... and the possibility would be a minimum to any of those such acts... but for the people that choose (job reasons, or otherwise) to live in a town or city, then you might need additional protection/or at least proof to be able to track down the perpetrators.... (Hopefully, you will have the arm(s) necessary, and know how to use them, so that you (police) won't have to 'find' the bad guy ;) )

[mysterio]

Sounds perfect to me.

Will it be a power you want government to have when the executive and legislative branches are controlled by dems?

[vanishing liberty]

“Your statement suggests you don’t really think of the Commies or the terrorists as real.”

You read it wrong. The terrorists are real. The commies were real. Krushchev said “We will bury you.” Not an idle threat when they had 10,000 nukes pointed at us. But we managed to get through that era without surrendering our civil liberties. Were we braver then?

“...we saved ourselves from Commie tyranny and slavery through adroit use of government.”

I’m sure the government congratulates itself everyday for the victory, but I think we outlasted the commies mainly because they had an economic system that didn’t work.

[vanishing liberty]

“I asked for proof, as in court rulings there were violations. So far all I see is programs and speculations of programs but little to no court findings.”

Looks like you and I are in agreement that the courts are the only ones who we can trust in these matters.

[tobyhill]

You claim the Government violates the constitution all the time but if that was the case the court rulings would show that and until of which time they do it's all speculation that there's constitutional violations.
Someone without standing has no right to have their so-called case heard.

[muawiyah]

Then you don't credit Ronaldus Magnus with being instrumental in putting an end to the USSR? Even Gorbachev gives him credit.

What kind of Conservative denies Ronaldus Magnus his place in history? You sound more like a Godless, soulless, Democrat operative.

[Retain Mike]

“The constitution is not a suicide pact” is the sound bite at the end of a 40 plus page dissenting opinion by Supreme Court judge Robert Jackson, who was the lead prosecutor of the first 21 major defendants at the Nuremberg trials. He, more than any other American jurist, developed a balanced practical and theoretical legal understanding of civil liberties. Among the mountains of evidence, he saw the ways in which legal protections were used to erase a constitutional government. Here is the link:

C:\Nolan personal\Internet Downloads\Terminiello v_ Chicago, 337 U_S_ 1 (1949) - U_S_ Supreme Court -.htm

[antiRepublicrat]

I know the case. In fact, he was dissenting against the free speech rights of a person. In this case he basically said that you have no free speech rights if the protesters against you get too rowdy. Great, so all the left needs to do to shut us up is have a violent protest whenever a conservative wants to speak.

A more rational use of the concept (and one that wasn't dissenting) was later, when Justice Goldberg said it in the Kennedy v. Mendoza-Martinez court opinion about the power of Congress to call people for military service.

[MrB]

all the left needs to do to shut us up is have a violent protest whenever a conservative wants to speak

Like throwing pies at Coulter and rushing the stage when Horowitz is speaking.

[antiRepublicrat]

Like throwing pies at Coulter and rushing the stage when Horowitz is speaking.

Exacly. Under his standard neither Coulter nor Horowitz could speak because they "create" breeches of the peace. I'm glad it was a dissenting opinion.

[Cboldt]

Here's a working link: Terminiello v. City of Chicago, 337 U.S. 1 (1949)

[Retain Mike]

Darn. It worked for me.

[aclusux.com]

Freedom, even at the expense of the mechanism that proves them with this freedom.

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario. Bush will get criticized regardless of which road he chooses. A Democratic Congress and Senate approved it, yet the blind liberal media will always blame Bush and hide behind their rights.—

Responsible media is dead thanks to the NY TIMES and BSNBC.

[vanishing liberty]

“Then you don’t credit Ronaldus Magnus with being instrumental in putting an end to the USSR? Even Gorbachev gives him credit.
What kind of Conservative denies Ronaldus Magnus his place in history? You sound more like a Godless, soulless, Democrat operative.

Heaven forbid. But Ronald Reagan accomplished far more than the role he played in vanquishing the Evil Empire. You make it sound like if it were not for that he wouldn’t be remembered at all. Are you a godless, soulless, Democratic operative?