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Vanity: Google buries disputed Barack Obama Birth Certificates - they are gone from index
Google | 07/11/2008 | Swordmaker

Posted on 07/12/2008 12:08:55 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: Technical Editor; abigkahuna; Pravious
Look, it’s a free country.

Not anymore. This demonstrates that your ability to perceive the current reality is somewhat... impaired...

Google is not the government. Google can do what it damn pleases. Your comparison to the Soviet Union is absurd. One more time: Google is not the government.

Irrelevant. What Google IS, is a business... a business that markets itself as the world's best, most comprehensive, most reliable and most "credible" search engine...

What this IS, as Pravious noted, is business fraud, and it is entirely appropriate to call them on it.

51 posted on 07/12/2008 6:37:58 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Swordmaker
It's because Google IS EVIL!

Take a look at the same search terms using Live.com

http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=Barack+Obama+%22Birth+Certificate%22&FORM=BIRE

 

52 posted on 07/12/2008 6:50:29 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Swordmaker

Speaking of marriage certificates, there’s not one of those either. B.O.’s papa and mama just shacked up.


53 posted on 07/12/2008 6:54:50 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: tarheelswamprat
What this IS, as Pravious noted, is business fraud, and it is entirely appropriate to call them on it.

It's not fraud. That would be swindling you by deception. As long as the Google search engine is free and makes no warranties as to the completeness of its search results, it can direct you anyplace it chooses.

It's certainly fair to point out that the search results are being manipulated and not objective, but there's no fraud.

If I tell you that I'm a good-looking hunk of beefcake, I've lied, but I've not defrauded you.

54 posted on 07/12/2008 7:04:37 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Swordmaker
Wow. A direct, vigorous effort by Google to remove all copies of the OB Cert from it's image results. "Strange indeed", as that one character, Teal'C on Star Gate SG-1 might intone with gravitas!

Cosmic laughter heard. LOL!

55 posted on 07/12/2008 7:18:39 AM PDT by bvw
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To: aruanan
Thanks for olden days insight.
56 posted on 07/12/2008 7:22:25 AM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: Swordmaker
In the LA times article, if you click on the BC the image enlarges and becomes a separate window. It looks like the one form KOS/Obama’s site.
57 posted on 07/12/2008 7:29:33 AM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: Swordmaker

I just typed in Obama’s birth certificate.

Here is Kos’
http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

Look for an article named “Obama Birth Certificate TOTAL FORGERY FAKE FRAUD; Kos Kaught in Krime!” - Google won’t let you see it due to “warnings”. You can read it in the cached version. The conclusion of the article, I believe is wrong but why the dire warning. People can come to their own conclusions.


58 posted on 07/12/2008 7:39:10 AM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: Swordmaker

LOL! But we have it here! Now it’s time to investigate Google.


59 posted on 07/12/2008 7:41:07 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: txflake
yahoo turns up nothing as well...
60 posted on 07/12/2008 7:49:28 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: Chode

Does Obama WANT this story to grow legs, or what?


61 posted on 07/12/2008 8:08:05 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Dog Gone; Technical Editor; abigkahuna; Pravious
It's certainly fair to point out that the search results are being manipulated and not objective, but there's no fraud.

Your statement is incorrect. The term "fraud" has commonly accepted meanings other than the legal one.

From Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: 1 a: deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick

2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be

62 posted on 07/12/2008 8:23:27 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat

When somebody calls it “business fraud” that more than implies a legal definition of the word.


63 posted on 07/12/2008 8:52:11 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: aruanan
The burden is entirely upon Barry to prove that he is a U.S. citizen by birth according to U.S. law at the time of his birth. This is a constitutional burden, and one that he, to date, has not been willing to shoulder.

I have to prove I'm eligible to work in the US to get a job, why doesn't he have to prove he's eligible for that job?

Politicians, if you don't hold them to the same standards they hold us to, pretty soon they start to think they are better than we are.

64 posted on 07/12/2008 8:58:14 AM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: Swordmaker

I hope you downloaded all the examples before the purge.


65 posted on 07/12/2008 9:00:16 AM PDT by rabidralph (Dems now have Oil Derangement Syndrome)
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To: Swordmaker
Reminiscent of this Star Wars III scene:

“I’m looking for a planet, but the system doesn’t show on the archive maps.” Obi Wan told him.

“Lost a planet Obi Wan has, how embarrassing, how embarassing.” Yoda commented.

Obi Wan put up the star map while Yoda instructed the younglings so that they would be able to help Obi Wan. He pointed to where the planet should be and stated that gravity is pulling everything to that spot, but nothing was there. Yoda asked for suggestions about helping Obi Wan.

“Master, someone erased it from the archive memory.” A child said.

“Truly wonderful the mind of a child is.” Yoda stated.

“How could anybody erase data from the archive memory? That’s impossible, isn’t it?” Obi Wan asked Yoda.

“Dangerous and disturbing this puzzle is. Only a Jedi could erase those files. Who and why harder to answer that is. Meditate on this I will.” Yoda told Obi Wan.

Both your Google problem and the prescient Star Wars scenario point out the convenience -- and dangers of -- having access to comprehensive databases -- especially if liberals have control of them...

66 posted on 07/12/2008 9:30:36 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Dog Gone
When somebody calls it “business fraud” that more than implies a legal definition of the word.

Not in the context of this discussion. This is an online discussion forum, not a courtroom. It was perfectly clear to everyone in this thread, except you, that we were using the term "fraud" simply to connote the deceptive and misrepresentative business practices of Google, not that they had legally defrauded anyone of anything of monetary or otherwise tangible value.

No one here suggests that Google be taken to a court of law over this - it's a matter for the court of public opinion. The issue at hand is simply making people aware of Google's unethical and dishonest business practices, not seeking to contrive some legalistic remedy for non-existent monetary damages.

As I said, everyone else here understood that - it's unfortunate you did not. I do want to thank you, however, for giving us all a refreshing and illuminating demonstration of the term "pedantry"...

67 posted on 07/12/2008 10:34:22 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat

Anyone who uses the word “pedantry” is engaged in it himself.


68 posted on 07/12/2008 11:09:04 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Swordmaker
It looks like Hawaiian officials are stone walling the release of Obama's birth certificate.

Here’s another blogger giving a thumbs down with pics to obama’s birth certificate. The guy says he is a board certified forensic computer investigator. He says his background includes a lot of investigations into forgeries. His work on obama's birth certificate shows a lot detail.

Here is a google search of the obama birth certificate

In her remarks on MSNBC Michelle Obama says of Barak. "His own mother, she said at the beginning of her remarks, was "very young and very single when she had him." "

Its reasonable to conclude that the Obama campaign would be hesitant to release his birth certificate because it would show that he was born illegitamate. Since there is a significant percent of the US population that is illegitimate -- you would think that barak would be comfortable releasing his birth certificate. but maybe not.

Jesse Jackson's remarks about wanting to cut off baraks nuts came because of baraks speech that exhorted fathers to take part in their children's lives--especially black fathers.

That speech may have come because of speculation on the internet about baraks birth certificate--which would show that his mom was single when she gave birth.

As well Michelle's remarks that barak's mother was "very single" when barak was born means that barak obama was born "barry dunham".
69 posted on 07/12/2008 11:09:52 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Swordmaker
It looks like Hawaiian officials are stone walling the release of Obama's birth certificate.

Here’s another blogger giving a thumbs down with pics to obama’s birth certificate. The guy says he is a board certified forensic computer investigator. He says his background includes a lot of investigations into forgeries. His work on obama's birth certificate shows a lot detail.

Here is a google search of the obama birth certificate

In her remarks on MSNBC Michelle Obama says of Barak. "His own mother, she said at the beginning of her remarks, was "very young and very single when she had him." "

Its reasonable to conclude that the Obama campaign would be hesitant to release his birth certificate because it would show that he was born illegitamate. Since there is a significant percent of the US population that is illegitimate -- you would think that barak would be comfortable releasing his birth certificate. but maybe not.

Jesse Jackson's remarks about wanting to cut off baraks nuts came because of baraks speech that exhorted fathers to take part in their children's lives--especially black fathers.

That speech may have come because of speculation on the internet about baraks birth certificate--which would show that his mom was single when she gave birth.

As well Michelle's remarks that barak's mother was "very single" when barak was born means that barak obama was born "barry dunham".
70 posted on 07/12/2008 11:16:08 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: TXnMA
The Deleter is one of the most unusual of Mandrake's foes. He is an extraterrestrial contract killer who will "delete" anyone for the right price. However, he does have a code-of-honor, and will seek justice for anyone who tries to cheat him out of his contract fee.

Source=http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Mandrake_the_Magician

71 posted on 07/12/2008 12:08:37 PM PDT by bvw
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To: abigkahuna

Not so strange. Google does alter or omit things they do not agree with. They’ve been doing it since their existence.


72 posted on 07/12/2008 12:13:27 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: TXnMA

“Only a Jedi could erase those files.” — Indeed!


73 posted on 07/12/2008 12:15:14 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Banjoguy
Get a clue

Thanks, I've got one. The problem is that 95% of the population uses Google to research for FACTS. Google is actively concealing facts with a nefarious purpose. People need to be aware that the non-indexing of pertinent information is as dangerous as posting out-and-out lies as truth.

74 posted on 07/12/2008 12:31:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: HangThemHigh
Now was this intentional? It looks highly suspicious, the law of averages would seem to say Google should at least find a few correct images.

I went through 980 images using Barack Obama "Birth Certificate" and found none at all. There were links to sites that had (and still have) images of the BC but the images shown were generic Obama campaign pictures or pictures that represented nothing related at all. One of the images that was labeled "Barack Obama's Birth Certificate" was a picture of a bunch of bananas. Clicking on it took you to the website that did have images of BO's BC... but no images of bananas. Similar to the substitution of the Marriage License for the BC on the FreeRepublic link.

75 posted on 07/12/2008 12:47:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Incorrigible
Thank you! This is similar to what the first page of the Google image search looked like last week:

Instead of this, from a search done today:

This is deliberate... and dishonest... and destructive of our polity.

76 posted on 07/12/2008 1:05:45 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

Microsoft’s good for something Swordmaker!

:-)


77 posted on 07/12/2008 1:09:46 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Swordmaker
We here in the fever swamps (see the "fr" in "fever", evidently that's blog speak for FR) have no right to know anything, I guess. Besides ... AJStrata again hath spake.

Actually he makes a good point in today's posting and has somewhat toned down his own loony use of ad hominems that obscure any logical argument he might have. Toned down, that is. He still suffers from whatever bug of the psyche drives him to be that way -- belittling and derogatory to anyone not sharing his opinion. In Dog-Whisperer talk he's dominant-aggressive passing into the red zone at times.

The point is that after 2001 -- where every terrorist (so it seemed) had a fake state driver's license and one state functionary of a license issuer got very horribly burnt to death in an arson job of her car -- the states actually DID start cleaning up their IDs. My current driver license is full of all sorts of special gimmicks to prevent fake ids, as are NJ's new ones. Pre 9/11 Jersey did have some of the easiest to fake licenses. So easy, entrepreneurs did set up in vans outside of college and beach town bars to make fake licenses on the spot.

Yes, it is possible Hawaii did change the paper, and it maybe possible they did not change the laser printed document label. AJStrata was good for GUESSING that might be the case. But, a guess is just a guess. Would hope someone could tie that down as an actuality.

Still ... what AJ doesn't address is more important than his guesses, even if they happen to be right. Obama has done a modified limited hangout and is stonewalling this basic issue. It is something every citizen should want clear proof for -- both for Obama and for McCain.

Obama's autobiography says he himself has seen a paper copy of his own birth certificate. And that wasn't the one presented either, for he wrote of finding it when he was young. Where is that certificate?

And NOTHING stops Obama for authorizing Hawaii to release records of his birth, all or enough of them to prove the legend of his birth.

Where even is the cert number on the image already released? It was blacked out, that alone INVALIDATES the document.

Also ... AJStrata's mind burst about 9/11 document improvements may explain Google's erasing of the images of those documents. Just speculating and talking it out. Hey all you observers of this fever swamp, that's what WE swamp inhabitants do, we speculate, investigate, discuss and talk things out. "All Things Considered" -- that's FR.

We understand how that is very scary to you more elegant and proper people, because it can get, well, *swampy*. That's the way the real world is at times.

So my speculation about why Google erased the images is: Because Homeland Security or maybe Hawaii asked them to. Otherwise the images could be used by forgers. To me that is a very silly reason, but I am just speculating.

78 posted on 07/12/2008 1:10:00 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Dog Gone
It's not fraud. That would be swindling you by deception. As long as the Google search engine is free and makes no warranties as to the completeness of its search results, it can direct you anyplace it chooses.

I would disagree. Google sells its search services to other search services, websites, and businesses. Not providing searches done with due diligence to them, if they search for these terms, would definitely be fraud. If I were such a customer, I would sue.

79 posted on 07/12/2008 1:10:10 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for not letting the Google Image Search switcheroo drop off into the old bit bucket.


80 posted on 07/12/2008 1:15:02 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Swordmaker
Google sells its search services to other search services, websites, and businesses. Not providing searches done with due diligence to them, if they search for these terms, would definitely be fraud. If I were such a customer, I would sue.

Really? Google sells what it offers for free? That's a unique business model.

Even assuming you're correct, which I doubt, any fraud would have to be determined by what was promised in the contract.

Perhaps if you're a business customer who pays for something that is free, you get a different product.

81 posted on 07/12/2008 1:18:55 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SatinDoll
In 1961 direct flights between Vancouver B.C. and Hawaii had just begun. Infants were not allowed on board.

Source, please?

82 posted on 07/12/2008 1:38:28 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: Swordmaker; Caipirabob
Thanks for joining me...

Us.

Joining us.

83 posted on 07/12/2008 1:40:45 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: BooksForTheRight.com
Is it a surprise that leftists are in control at Google, and are using their company to further their leftist agenda?

Headquartered in the San Fransisco bay area? Not too surprising.

84 posted on 07/12/2008 1:47:55 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: Swordmaker
This isn't any more fruitful (pops)
85 posted on 07/12/2008 1:49:57 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Banjoguy

Where’s Scroogle?

www.Scroogle.com gives me an index of soft boobies...


86 posted on 07/12/2008 1:50:40 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: SatinDoll

If infants were not allowed on board the long-distance jet flights of 1961, it would still be possible that Obama was birthed at a stopover, and outside the airport. Possibly then in Vancouver, Mercer Island of points in between. That would explain why Stanley did not yet know how to diaper a baby.


87 posted on 07/12/2008 1:54:07 PM PDT by bvw
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To: null and void

it’s www.scroogle.org


88 posted on 07/12/2008 1:54:11 PM PDT by Banjoguy (Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat party are among the enemies of The Republic.)
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To: Technical Editor
Look, it’s a free country.

I haven't heard anyone say that seriously in at least a decade.

You must be OOOOOLD!

89 posted on 07/12/2008 1:54:21 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: bvw
The point is that after 2001 -- where every terrorist (so it seemed) had a fake state driver's license and one state functionary of a license issuer got very horribly burnt to death in an arson job of her car --

Katherine Smith ping

Five Men with Mideast Ties Indicted in License Scam (Tennessee License Scandal)

TENN DRIVER LICENSE SCANDAL: FLAMING DEATH NO ACCIDENT, FBI SAYS

Car fire set off suspicions as crew fought it (Smith Tennesee License Scandal)

License suspect had WTC repair pass, but Port Authority did its own work [Tennessee License Scandal]

The pass gave him access to the buildings' sprinkler systems.

I bet he "fixed" them real good...

Treason is not too strong a word.

90 posted on 07/12/2008 1:59:57 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: Banjoguy

Darn. I was enjoying the soft boobies....


91 posted on 07/12/2008 2:03:02 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: Swordmaker
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92 posted on 07/12/2008 2:03:32 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Dog Gone
Even assuming you're correct, which I doubt, any fraud would have to be determined by what was promised in the contract.

Gee, thanks for doubting me. Google provides their search engine to many companies and other websites for a fee... and often other search engine sites have contracted with Google for the basic database. Yes, they get customized responses. Some are limited to the companies' intranets or they may be customized to only specific topics.

93 posted on 07/12/2008 2:04:46 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: null and void
Joining us.

Is it just me, or is it getting crowded in this dance???

94 posted on 07/12/2008 2:05:56 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
This isn't any more fruitful (pops)

I just looked at that search result and it is a search I did yesterday which came up with 480 hits... now it only gets 370. The internet is crumbling, getting smaller as we type... or...

95 posted on 07/12/2008 2:08:13 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Banjoguy
I see.

So all scroogle does is repackage google content?

If google nukes the content, scroogle is screwed....

96 posted on 07/12/2008 2:09:08 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: Swordmaker

Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded...


97 posted on 07/12/2008 2:12:50 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: Banjoguy

How does one get scroogle to search for images?


98 posted on 07/12/2008 2:16:44 PM PDT by null and void (Do/'08)
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To: Pinkbell
So is his maternal grandmother still alive? I had always been under the assumption that she was deceased. I thuoght we would have heard from her if she was alive. Barack’s always seemed to mention her in past tense. If she is alive, why do we never hear from her or see pictures of Barack with her? Is the grandfather alive too?

Grandfather is deceased. But maternal grandmother is still very much alive--access to her is being tightly controlled; Obama refers to her regularly in the past tense I assume to give the impression that she is not alive. Further, grandmother, even in her mid-90's is mentally very alert and informed. I assume if real access could be obtained and she was willing to talk, the entire story would come out.

99 posted on 07/12/2008 2:21:26 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: Coffee200am

Google and Al Gore are business partners in the Current Network.


100 posted on 07/12/2008 2:34:52 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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