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Jesse Helms Was No Hero (Juan Williams Alert)
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 12, 2008 | Juan Williams

Posted on 07/12/2008 6:24:14 AM PDT by Zakeet

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To: Lonely Are The Brave
We hold Stonewall Jackson in high regard down here, too...

Agreed. He's another man of high regard and moral fortitude. I should have included him!
21 posted on 07/12/2008 7:04:12 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Zakeet
Helms also had an answer to charges that he played racial politics. Helms told me that he had never spoken before the NAACP in North Carolina simply because the group always endorsed Democrats so there was no political benefit to addressing their convention. But he added he regularly met with black constituents who needed individual help from their home-state senator. His opposition to affirmative action, he explained, was a matter of his belief that the best qualified people should always get the job. He did not have much to say about his opposition to the King holiday, except that he was suspicious of people who stirred up racial protests.

This was all done with a sly wink

In other words Jesse was a racist, homophobic

Juan, you are such a useful tool

23 posted on 07/12/2008 7:10:46 AM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: hiredhand
May the great conservative warrior Helms R.I.P.

BTW, Stonewall was Lee's general and Stonewall was very loyal to Lee.

I know the war has been fought and blood shed but I do believe had Stonewall not been shot and died, the South would have won the war. He was that great a general.

His tactics were studied by Rommel and Patton and are still taught at Westpoint today.

This is a Senator Helms thread so I will close again by saying this country lacks great men of your courage today.

R.I.P.

24 posted on 07/12/2008 7:17:45 AM PDT by Lonely Are The Brave
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To: Zakeet

“In death, Sen. Jesse Helms is being honored as a conservative hero. My question is why? “

The left will not allow conservatives to have heros. All must be denegrated, even after death. All dead liberals are of course, heros, and Respublicans have too much class to call them what they were, scumbags and traitors.


25 posted on 07/12/2008 7:18:19 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: Zakeet
Yes, the six-term senator...

He only served five terms

Helms did not invite people into the party

Well, then how did he get elected? When he first ran in 1972, Democrats in North Carolina enjoyed a three-to-one majority over Republicans.

26 posted on 07/12/2008 7:24:07 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Lonely Are The Brave
From everything I've read about Gen. Jackson, I do believe you are correct in saying that the timing of his passing did indeed steer the course to the outcome of the war of northern agression.

May God comfort those left behind by the great Statesman, Jesse Helms, and may He stand up others with fortitude to stand in the way of evil, rather than cower or profit thereby.
27 posted on 07/12/2008 7:24:36 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Zakeet
Pictures of nude gay men embracing or a crucifix in urine did not fit his understanding of real art

Is Williams implying that such pictures are real art?

28 posted on 07/12/2008 7:30:15 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Zakeet

Helms stood up and showed the world what it means to be a conservative. I have to thank him for that.


29 posted on 07/12/2008 7:44:48 AM PDT by vanishing liberty
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To: Zakeet

De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est


30 posted on 07/12/2008 7:48:01 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Zakeet
Today's GOP needs white men with college degrees and suburban white women with education, careers and children. Helms was never comfortable with this crowd

And it perhaps is just as well that Helms wasn't comfortble with that crowd. In 1972, Helms' first opponent, Rep. Nick Galifianakis (D-NC) had defeated incumbent Senator Everett Jordan (D-NC) in the primary by mobilizing a similar coalition: college students and faculty, blacks, and white collar suburbanites--a sort of southern-fried version of the "New Politics" coalition that formed the base of support for Senator George McGovern (D-SC), the Democratic Party's presidential standard bearer that year. We all know how well this coalition worked for Galifianakis and McGovern in the general election.

31 posted on 07/12/2008 7:49:18 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Alter Kaker
Normally, I would not trouble myself about the opinions of Juan Williams and I am sure that most of my fellow Freepers, having watched Mr. Williams being artfully filleted nightly on Fox news by Britt Hume, share my indifference.

But in this begrudging eulogy one finds two men who stand as figures for the essence of American politics where it really and truly counts. On the one hand, the late Jesse Helms who despised everything hypocritical and destructive which he rightly saw tearing his country down. On the other hand, the author, Juan Williams, a black journalist prominently featured on television for his race rather than his intellect, who chronically puts the wrong end of the telescope to his eye. Jesse Helms got it right and Juan Williams invariably gets it wrong but Juan Williams has largely won.

Juan Williams is a figure for the left and how it sees the world. How it sees the world is a function of its being left wing-in other words it is not left wing because of the way it sees the world, but the other way around. Thus, Juan Williams and the Democrats see the world not as it is but as they need to see it to rationalize their ideology. Leftists are always in need to explain why the world does not accept their ideology and why things don't work out the way their ideology tells them they should. For the most part, their answer is to resort to claims of racism, although in more modern times they may resort to allegations of sexism, homophobia, and jingoism. But for the main part, leftists believe and trumpet that the signal difference between Democrats and Republicans, between left and right, is that we are racists and they are not.

Thus Juan Williams believes that the right in general and especially Jesse Helms in particular successfully manipulates an empty headed electorate by resorting to racism. Williams never acknowledges that it is the left that plays the race card, in fact, Williams has even done so in this piece.

: We can stipulate to the truth of part of what Williams no doubt intended as a criticism of Helms:

"he disliked Chapel Hill intellectuals -- the kind of people who protested for equal rights for blacks and challenged U.S. involvement in Vietnam."

But Helms objection to these intellectuals was not limited to equal rights for blacks but for the intellectuals support of preferred rights for blacks. That was, after all, the gravamen of his campaign ad about affirmative action which is a perfectly legitimate position to take. Indeed, one can persuasively argue that the racism lies not in Helms position but with Juan Williams' position supporting preferential rights based on race. But Helms also objected to the intellectuals because he knew what they were trying to do to his society. He was perfectly within its constitutional, legal, and (dare I say it?) his moral rights to do so.

Jesse Helms saw the world as it was, he had the right end of the telescope to his eye, he knew what the intellectuals were trying to do to him and his way of life. A man of vast courage, Helms fought against the intellectuals wherever he could bring his fire to bare. Sadly, he lost.

That means that the intellectuals had their way and were able to change America in a way that is hateful to Jesse Helms. The tentacles of these intellectuals extend into every institution in America. They have been indoctrinated students not only in the universities like Chapel Hill but all the way down to kindergarten. They have infected our churches so that, for example, the national Council of Churches is virtually a Marxist organization. They have taken over all our great foundations like Ford and Rockefeller. Other leftists with intellectual pretensions like George Soros achieve similar results through more modern institutions operating largely through the Internet. They dominate the organs of written opinion and visual news and opinion. All of this was accomplished following the mandate of The Frankfurt School so that Juan Williams could find grounds to gloat while playing the race card for one last trump:

Republican leaders in the Tar Heel State and nationally would be wise to tip their hats to Jesse Helms as a man of the distant past who lived long beyond his political era. But the greatest wisdom will be to resist any temptation to make a hero out of him. The demographic shifts sweeping America mean that the key to building a successful 21st-century GOP will be a decisive turn away from Helms's use of the politics of exclusion. (emphasis supplied)

Much of this was accomplished because liberals manage to contrive an atmosphere in which Republicans, like Jesse Helms, are racists. Because Republicans, like Jesse Helms, are racists and they, of course, are not.


32 posted on 07/12/2008 7:53:25 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Excellent post!


33 posted on 07/12/2008 8:23:24 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Zakeet

And Ted Kennedy is no hero to us either.

He has supported the killing of babies for a long time — He is a Catholic in Name Only.


34 posted on 07/12/2008 8:27:54 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: hiredhand

“Hosted by Stormfront”?

“Join MLK Discussion Forum” on Stormfront?


35 posted on 07/12/2008 8:36:48 AM PDT by Youngblood
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To: Zakeet

Screw you juan. My favorite post someone did I have rocks in my garden smarter then Juan.


36 posted on 07/12/2008 8:54:18 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Salvation
And Ted Kennedy is no hero to us either.

He's the hero of Chappaquiddick.

37 posted on 07/12/2008 9:16:30 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Youngblood
Yeah. I was going to mention that StormFront was behind that, and you beat me to it. I care for them about as much as MLK and Jesse Jackson....which isn't much. They've got an agenda, however the same information is available via other sources. Racists and leftists seem to "run" together, even when they're fighting each other, or at least giving the illusion of doing so.
38 posted on 07/12/2008 9:44:44 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: nathanbedford

Nice post thank you.


39 posted on 07/12/2008 10:55:21 AM PDT by Cheetahcat
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To: hiredhand

Well, if the same info is available from credible sources, then link it instead. White supremacists discussing MLK is hardly what I would call honest, informed discussion, and while it is important that people are made aware of the existence of such neanderthals as the inhabitants of Stormfront, using them as a reference to illustrate some alleged plagiarism, communist leanings or (gasp!) name change that hadn’t been legally completed does not exactly strengthen your case.


40 posted on 07/12/2008 11:30:55 AM PDT by Youngblood
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