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Lolita and the Sexualization of Childhood
Pajamas Media ^ | July 12, 2008 | Meenakshi Gigi Durham

Posted on 07/12/2008 10:03:32 AM PDT by AJKauf

The media's relentless pimping of young girls is profitable — and destructive.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: disney; lolita; media; nabakov; pedophiles
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1 posted on 07/12/2008 10:03:33 AM PDT by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

What’s being done to the image of young girls in our society is nothing less than a crime.


2 posted on 07/12/2008 10:09:17 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

...and so much of it starts on the Disney Channel.


3 posted on 07/12/2008 10:10:31 AM PDT by Palladin (Axelrod--the poor man's Karl Rove.)
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To: AJKauf

Why stop at girls.

Now we have Babyz.

4 posted on 07/12/2008 10:19:00 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: AJKauf
our once good culture has slid down the slippery slope so now what once was evil or vile or disgusting or immoral is now, someones "choice"....

I am sure there have always been slutty women to parade in front of men away from families and decent society....I don't care about that...

but to normalize the sexualization of young women from "Hooters" to thongs for babies to Jon Benet Ramsey and that crowd.....

the culture is in the trash and its not because of the big things...but the little things that have accumulated...the little actions that have been accepted and defended...

we Americans need to look in the mirror..even we "moral" ones or ones that consider themselves Christian or patriotic or conervative....if you are indulged in activity that crosses the line, there is no reason to not include yourself in the culture destruction.

6 posted on 07/12/2008 10:23:35 AM PDT by cherry
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To: martin_fierro

Disney encourages kids to be pedophile bait and that is the truth. As for values and beliefs they encourage LEFTIST godless values and beliefs. If you want you kids to be Christian, don’t let Disney be part of their viewing.


7 posted on 07/12/2008 10:26:09 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: cherry

yes young people have sex desires and all that.

but they have taken it to an extreme with all these sexy fashions for such young girls.

Bring back simple dresses and skirts, or simple pants and tops, without being revealing. That would help reverse this. And somebody said in the article, bring back schoool uniforms. School uniform type clothing is very plain and not provocative. That is better clothing for teenage girls to wear. And go easy on all the make up and cosmetics too.


8 posted on 07/12/2008 10:36:27 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: nmh

Back in the day, didn’t mothers warn their daughters about dressing more modestly so as not to attract bad attention from men? Didn’t they warn them that they are putting out an invitation for things they aren’t ready for by dressing and acting in these provocative ways?

Maybe mothers still warn their daughters about things, but the message may be lost in the desire to be fashionable and trendy per the media messages.


9 posted on 07/12/2008 10:42:08 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

> And somebody said in the article, bring back schoool uniforms. School uniform type clothing is very plain and not provocative. That is better clothing for teenage girls to wear. And go easy on all the make up and cosmetics too.

Here in New Zealand this is the norm: public schools, private schools, integrated schools — all have school uniforms.

Believe it or not, there are twisted perverts who actually get off on the thought of little girls in school uniforms.

Crikey!

The real answer is perhaps a complete rejection of Pop Culture from, say, 1945 onward. It has been a long slippery slope that started out slowly and innocently but has been moving at a fair ol’ rate of knots lately, with no apparent end in sight to the ever-increasing nosedive in public mores.

This slide in public mores probably coincides with the advent of television, rock-n-roll and women’s rights. I don’t see any of these things going away anytime soon, so if there is anything stronger than mere correlation with these things, Civilization is fair poked. Rooted beyond all recovery. Knackered beyond redemption. Buggered for all eternity. Broken.


10 posted on 07/12/2008 10:48:38 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: cherry

Did you notice how horrified the media was with the modest dress of the women, men, girls, and boys from the YFZ ranch?

It is an upside down world.


11 posted on 07/12/2008 10:49:34 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I remember the Christmas that my father bought my mother her **first** pair of slacks. They were a beautiful brown wool and lined with silk. Prior to that my mother always wore skirts and dresses.


12 posted on 07/12/2008 10:52:09 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Back in the day, didn’t mothers warn their daughters about dressing more modestly so as not to attract bad attention from men? Didn’t they warn them that they are putting out an invitation for things they aren’t ready for by dressing and acting in these provocative ways?

Maybe mothers still warn their daughters about things, but the message may be lost in the desire to be fashionable and trendy per the media messages.


That was in the old days.

Today, many of these mothers are COMPETING with their daughters seeking attention for all the wrong reasons. Many are not the ideal “example”.


13 posted on 07/12/2008 10:52:14 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Maybe mothers still warn their daughters about things, but the message may be lost in the desire to be fashionable and trendy per the media messages.

I think we are about 50 years too late!

14 posted on 07/12/2008 10:54:27 AM PDT by JOE6PAK (~in vino veritas~)
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To: AJKauf

And this week you have leftists wanting to label toddlers as “racist” for not liking certain foods. They’re wanting to make newborns into adults, thus coddling of baby rapers will be their next “logical” step.


15 posted on 07/12/2008 11:13:57 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (The McCainiac's creed: Death to America by a thousand cuts)
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To: y6162

Dude...TMI.......lol


16 posted on 07/12/2008 11:40:25 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (RIGHT: Wots all this then?)
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To: Palladin
Bullcrap!! My wife and I watch Disney Channel with our daughters quite a bit. We have never seen anything inapporpriate on the network and we are ones that block channels from our satellite so that our kids aren't exposed to certain shows. Give me one example to back up your accusation about the Disney Channel. Bet you can't. My daughters dress appropriately and have the highest morals because that is what my wife and I, as well as our church have instilled in them.

I swear, you Disney haters are the equivalent of liberals suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome.

17 posted on 07/12/2008 11:41:56 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Just a bitter South Carolinian clinging to my religion and guns.)
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To: Palladin
Bullcrap!! My wife and I watch Disney Channel with our daughters quite a bit. We have never seen anything inapporpriate on the network and we are ones that block channels from our satellite so that our kids aren't exposed to certain shows. Give me one example to back up your accusation about the Disney Channel. Bet you can't. My daughters dress appropriately and have the highest morals because that is what my wife and I, as well as our church have instilled in them.

I swear, you Disney haters are the equivalent of liberals suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome.

18 posted on 07/12/2008 11:42:05 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Just a bitter South Carolinian clinging to my religion and guns.)
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To: Palladin
Bullcrap!! My wife and I watch Disney Channel with our daughters quite a bit. We have never seen anything inapporpriate on the network and we are ones that block channels from our satellite so that our kids aren't exposed to certain shows. Give me one example to back up your accusation about the Disney Channel. Bet you can't. My daughters dress appropriately and have the highest morals because that is what my wife and I, as well as our church have instilled in them.

I swear, you Disney haters are the equivalent of liberals suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome.

19 posted on 07/12/2008 11:42:05 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Just a bitter South Carolinian clinging to my religion and guns.)
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To: wintertime
I don't believe it was the “modesty” of the dress that drew interest, it was the ‘prairie dress’ style that looked like it was ordered out of the Sears catalog circa 1865. They looked like they stepped out of a time warp.

Just another way a cult separates their members from the outside world and reinforces that they are a people apart. The FLDS cult also liked to break apart families, because like the Communists before them, they know that familial bonds are the only thing stronger than the ties to the State or cult.

20 posted on 07/12/2008 11:48:19 AM PDT by allmendream (shamelessly stealing clever FReeper lines without attribution!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
the mothers these days often imitate and dress as teenage children, which was not the case when I grew up. My mom and grandmothers dressed like women and didn't aspire to fit into tight Calvin's and Levi's that I aspired to when I was in my teens.

I did a study on the influence of sexualization on young women and they found that when young women have strong role-models at home to the contrary of the media's images (no mater how powerful), they are more likely to be influenced by the real role models around them. It is the girls that do not have those strong women around them that are very much influenced. These days many kids are raised by multiple nannies and their parents are often busy, busy, busy and often trying themselves to hold on to their youthful sexuality even though they are aging.

21 posted on 07/12/2008 11:51:05 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Psycho_Bunny
What’s being done to the image of young girls in our society is nothing less than a crime.

What parents are letting happen to their young girls in our society is nothing less than a crime

22 posted on 07/12/2008 12:07:30 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: GOP Poet

May I ask how women are supposed to dress? Quite, honestly, I don’t dress too much differently than I did as a teenager. No, I don’t look like a tart, either. :)


23 posted on 07/12/2008 12:09:27 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Thank you so much for having said this. My children and I watch Disney Channel. I remember Raven Symone often talking about girls accepting themselves for how they are. Her makeup line for teens is actually a very natural.


24 posted on 07/12/2008 12:13:56 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Abbeville Conservative

During the Michael Eisner years, Disney went off the rails and consistently provoked Christians and families with inappropriate material in their movies and broadcast channels. This was mainly done by the likes of Harvey Weinstein at Miramax and the ABC network (both owned by Disney). Eisner also promoted the pro-homesexual lifestyle at his amusement parks. Needless to say, Disney tanked as a company and Eisner preceded to be ran out of town by hostile stock holders. Since then Disney has got back to basics and seems to be on a road to recovery as far as its corporate reputation.

I also monitor children’s fare on TV and cable and by far the worst culprits now are VIACOM and Time Warner (MTV, Nickelodean, Cartoon Network, LOGO, etc.). They are very proactive at taking the baton from the Disney of the past and promoting the lowest common denominator behavior to the children of today. One simply needs to watch Adult Swim on Cartoon Network (which is like dangling meat before a hungry dog if you think kids are not going to watch something called “Adult Swim”) to fully appreciate the garbage they are pumping out.

Better yet, go check out their promotional website for an eyeful of entertainment for adults targeted at children on the Cartoon Network: http://www.adultswim.com/index2.html.


25 posted on 07/12/2008 12:25:43 PM PDT by Gen-X-Dad
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To: Yorlik803

heh heh...as if lolita-izing is something new.


26 posted on 07/12/2008 12:32:27 PM PDT by y6162
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To: Abbeville Conservative
Bullcrap!! My wife and I watch Disney Channel with our daughters quite a bit. We have never seen anything inappropriate on the network and we are ones that block channels from our satellite so that our kids aren't exposed to certain shows. Give me one example to back up your accusation about the Disney Channel. Bet you can't. My daughters dress appropriately and have the highest morals because that is what my wife and I, as well as our church have instilled in them.

Goodness. Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. My children (some now grown) grew up watching shows on the Disney Channel and I would put their morals up against those of anyone's, anywhere, ever. We've also been to the parks, and watched Disney movies. Some I have liked more than others, but none were "immoral".

I swear, you Disney haters are the equivalent of liberals suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Yep. About as effective as those suffering BDS, too. At least two boycotts on Disney ended with Disney meeting a grand total of 0 of the boycotter's demands.

27 posted on 07/12/2008 12:36:30 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: y6162
Geez, everywhere you look, it is sex. I aint no prude by any stretch of the imagination, but it is getting to the point that it is disgusting
28 posted on 07/12/2008 12:37:34 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (RIGHT: Wots all this then?)
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To: mountainbunny

Thanks. Like you we go to DW, usually every other year. It’s one of the most wholesome entertainment venues you can take your kids. Just avoid going during gay week which is not an endorsed or sponsored event by DW but you already knew that. It’s a shame that some people want to ruin what is a magical place.


29 posted on 07/12/2008 12:43:03 PM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Just a bitter South Carolinian clinging to my religion and guns.)
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To: HungarianGypsy

Raven, Hannah Montana, Zack and Cody, etc. all try to be good role models for kids. While the kids may misbehave it’s no different then the trouble kids got into on shows from the 50’s or 60’s.


30 posted on 07/12/2008 12:45:06 PM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Just a bitter South Carolinian clinging to my religion and guns.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

There’s been a backlash recently.

The clothes fashions this year are much more conservative. The long bermuda shorts are very popular with girls. The shirt length is much longer. Even skirts are longer.

The fashions are definitely better than a few years ago. I can find cute clothes for my 11 year old daughters at regular stores. A few years ago, you couldn’t find clothes at a department store.


31 posted on 07/12/2008 12:46:35 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Yorlik803

Yea, sex is everywhere. I don’t watch Disney, but the gals on Fox News are hot.

I think that women are better looking than 20 years ago. Probably from healthy living, etc.


32 posted on 07/12/2008 12:49:36 PM PDT by y6162
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To: wintertime
It is an upside down world.

You hit the nail on the head! Most every female at our church, a run-of-the-mill evangelical protestant one, wears dresses or skirts. Long by today's standards and modest tops. This is how most of us always dress, at church or at home. Many of us were horrified that the media used the modest dress as some sort of proof that the women at the YFZ Ranch were needing to be rescued by the 'modern world'.

33 posted on 07/12/2008 12:50:39 PM PDT by Vor Lady (Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments. Alexander the Great)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Bring back simple dresses and skirts, or simple pants and tops, without being revealing.

The rub lies with parents who will let their daughters dress like trollops. My daughter is now 38. If I were raising her today, there is not a chance in hell that she would go out in public dressed like I see most girls dressed.

34 posted on 07/12/2008 12:55:01 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

I don’t have a problem with Disney. I have more of a problem with toy manufacturers that make toys like Bratz. I also don’t like a lot of the movies that are targetting teens. Transformers the movie was targetted at kids, but my husband said it was totally inappropriate.

Of course, the main culprits are parents. My son’s middle school had a uniform and the girls were to wear skirts that were just above the knees. The uniform stores sold them this way. Well, parents would hem up the skirts and make them very short for their daughters. Why would parents do that?????? (My daughters aren’t going to that middle school.)

At my son’s middle school graduation, I couldn’t believe the dresses the 13 & 14 year old girls were wearing. They were short, tight, and low cut. Then they had heels and tons of make-up. They looked like hookers. I will not allow my daughters to wear dresses like that while they are living under my roof.


35 posted on 07/12/2008 12:55:59 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I’ve warned my daughters.


36 posted on 07/12/2008 12:56:34 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

Exactly. It all starts at home with the parents.


37 posted on 07/12/2008 1:00:08 PM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Just a bitter South Carolinian clinging to my religion and guns.)
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To: Vor Lady

Fashion is okay. There’s a way to be fashionable and modest.

One of my friends has four daughters from 10-20 years old. I’m always impressed how the older daughters are dressed. They most wear cute pants and tops (that are not bare). They mix them with cute sweaters and jackets, scarves, jewelry, belts, earrings, purses, etc.

I hope my daughters will do the same.


38 posted on 07/12/2008 1:01:58 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: wintertime

My grandmother was in her 80’s when she had a knee replacement. The dr advised that she needed jogging suits for rehab. She ws scandalized, she had never worn slacks. My grandfather teased her unmercifully. He said she looked real pretty in them and kept suggesting that she wear them to the grocery store and out to lunch so he could “show her off”.


39 posted on 07/12/2008 1:10:14 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: AJKauf

This article epitomizes why I am the kind of mother I am (homeschooling adoptive mother of four, 14 and under — two girls). I could care less about criticism, or how the girls react when I help them choose their clothing (i.e. I pick out all their clothes).

I’m teaching them words like “appropriate” and “modest” and “proper”. We talk about how to dress as a young Christian girl, and I tastefully point out examples when we are out and about (mainly at Walmart, where it is REALLY BAD) of how NOT to dress. I do not allow “spaghetti straps”, or most tank tops unless they have a shirt over them. Their bathing suits have little skirts to them, and fully cover up their growing bustlines. No shorts unless they come almost to their knees, and no low-cut jeans unless the shirt covers their entire bottom. We had another “lesson” in a department store shopping for just a simple dress for my 14 year old, which don’t exist anymore. People walking by were smiling when they heard me showing the boys the clothing that many girls will wear to show off the parts of their bodies that only their husbands one day should ever see (boys are 6 & 10). When I had an outburst unplanned of “all these clothes are so slutty!”, they asked me what that means, and I told them.

Nothing too tight, absolutely nothing that shows any belly skin, or bras showing underneath shirts — all the popular clothing. Of course, we don’t watch TV or have cable — so they are not bombarded by messages from the media like most children are the U.S. — again, except when we go to Walmart. We have only gone to a mall 2 or 3 times — because it’s so bad there especially. I told my 10 year old son that God made him to want to look at girls’ breasts, but that he’s responsible to turn his head and look away, so his mind doesn’t keep thinking about it, and to act like a godly young man, even at his age. I’m teaching my sons to have respect for girls and women, with how they think AND how they behave around them.

It can be done — but it takes a deep commitment to be IN the world but not OF the world, and to not care what other parents think about your choice to raise conservative, lovely children who are polite and well-kept, and who don’t look like that girl in Pretty Woman. (Not having a TV helps big time!)


40 posted on 07/12/2008 1:25:37 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: GOP Poet

Amen. My girls see Mommy dress exactly the way I preach. I don’t have to think about it, because I dressed like this before I ever had them. It’s how my Mother raised me — and I learned that I DO have some responsibility for whether men see me in a certain way or not.


41 posted on 07/12/2008 1:28:18 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: luckystarmom

I agree. One can be modest and fashionable; especially if one sews.

What was distressing to us was that the media focused in on the dresses as some how being ‘weird’ just because they were ‘old fashioned’, ‘from a time warp’, ‘from a 1865 Sears catalogue’.

If they thought those were weird, they’d have a field day at our church as our young ladies (4-20 somethings) like to wear Civil War era dresses (complete with hoops), Regency period dresses, 1860’s prairie dresses, as well as modern modest dresses/skirts. Most of us moms go for the modern look; jumpers and tops.


42 posted on 07/12/2008 1:35:02 PM PDT by Vor Lady (Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments. Alexander the Great)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Have you by chance seen that show called “Greek”? It is either on Disney or ABC Family channel.


43 posted on 07/12/2008 1:35:31 PM PDT by BamaGirl (If I give Obama 76 cents will he stop clamoring for change?)
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To: BamaGirl
Have you by chance seen that show called “Greek”? It is either on Disney or ABC Family channel.

So is the upcoming series "The Secret Life of the American Teenager"... which is about a high school girl getting pregnant (out of wedlock, of course...)

44 posted on 07/12/2008 1:48:17 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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To: Gen-X-Dad

I’d agree with that. I started watching adult swim at 13ish... anyway nothing good came of that other than a love of Cowboy Bebop and my friend A (who actually is my friend who he says finally converted me to conservatism, though at the time... Not so much). But almost nothing on Adult swim is kid friendly, and many 12 years old up watch it (my brother included, much to my dismay)


45 posted on 07/12/2008 2:24:03 PM PDT by Toki
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To: adopt4Christ

Bless you. You are doing a good job of being a parent.


46 posted on 07/12/2008 3:05:57 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Thanks, Dilbert. Bless YOU for saying that. I needed that today...


47 posted on 07/12/2008 3:33:53 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Um...Brittney Spears started out as a little Disney darling. So did Lindsey Lohan. Today they are sick whores.

Go ahead and let your little ones get sucked in, inch by inch, step by step, by the unconscionable commercialization and rampant material values of the Disney Channel. Buy them everything Disney that their little eyes see and their little hearts desire from the Disney Company. Let them become conspicouous consumers of crap. Make Michael Eisner a gazillionaire.

I couldn’t care less—it’s YOUR MONEY$$$!!!


48 posted on 07/13/2008 11:24:37 AM PDT by Palladin (Axelrod--the poor man's Karl Rove.)
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To: Abbeville Conservative
Miley Cyrus (Hanna Montana) on her MySpace page:

...and there are more immodest photos out there of her in Vanity Fair magazine.

49 posted on 07/13/2008 11:32:22 AM PDT by Palladin (Axelrod--the poor man's Karl Rove.)
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To: Palladin; Abbeville Conservative
Miley Cyrus--Disney Darling today--Lolita tomorrow:


50 posted on 07/13/2008 11:36:36 AM PDT by Palladin (Axelrod--the poor man's Karl Rove.)
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