Posted on 07/12/2008 2:54:19 PM PDT by cdchik123
HUDSON, Wis. — Senator John McCain in a wide-ranging interview called for a government that is frugal but more active than many conservatives might prefer. He said government should play an important role in areas like addressing climate change, regulating campaign finance and taking care of “those in America who cannot take care of themselves.”
“I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold,” Mr. McCain said, referring to Roosevelt’s reputation for reform, environmentalism and tough foreign policy.
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One big problem.
TR was not a conservative and neither is the current incarnation of Johnny Mac!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Revisionism McCain style I guess.
I never said I was voting for Obama.
You’re an idiot.
And for your information, TR was a big government Republican. Just like McCain and just like Bush.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Is this another whiner thread.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
McCain’s going to run as a Bull Moose?
More as Bullsh!t
Debunking McCain’s self-professed conservatism is speaking to the truth and fun to boot.
I’d say he’s stealing Duncan Hunter’s stuff. Hunter was another Teddy Roosevelt, God bless him.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
So like TR, Duncan Hunter was just another big government Republican. Gotcha!
Finally, some truth from the Duncanista’s. Thanks
He needs to steel alot more of Hunter’s ideas. Alas, he won’t.
Surely, McCain cannot be serious.
The Republican party could have done much better but right now I’m mostly concerned that homosexuals not be allowed to flaunt their sexuality in the military. I believe McCain will stand up against policies that will allow them to. There is a big difference between knowing there are some in the military that might possibly be gay but not knowing who they are, and having to live in close quarters with those that flaunt it.
I’m going to vote McCain because the break down of the military culture that would occur if gays were allowed to openly serve is unacceptable. The day I see a military function on one of our installations turned into a gay pride parade with off duty gays in drag and leather is the day I say that there is nothing left of my country worth fighting for.
I hate to break this to you, but Teddy Roosevelt was neither a conservative nor a liberal in the modern meanings of those terms. He was a man of the 19th Century. Politically, he was a progressive in the late 19th Century meaning of the term. The main driving forces of 19th Century progressivism during TR's lifetime were:
Efforts to remove corruption and undue influence from government through the breaking the old political bosses and political machines.
Efforts to include more people directly in the political process (e.g., women's suffrage, direct election of senators, etc.).
Efforts to clean up the horrible urban slums of the period, as well as dangerous factory conditions, which included efforts to curb, if not end child labor.
Trust-busting was another big part of that era's "progressive" movement. In 1903, Roosevelt proposed, and the Congress agreed to establish a new cabinet-level called the Department of Commerce and Labor (divided into two departments in 1913). The purpose was to increase the federal government’s interstate commerce oversight and monitor labor relations.
A new "Bureau of Corporations" was formed within the new cabinet department. Its purpose was to find violations under the existing antitrust legislation. The Bureau began investigations into the activities of the meatpacking, oil, steel and tobacco industries, among others.
TR also instructed his attorney general to bring a series of lawsuits (44 in all) against "offensive" business combinations. Such giants as J.P. Morgan’s Northern Securities Company, John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Trust and James B. Duke’s tobacco trust were targets of the government’s attorneys.
ummm...errrr......would T.R. support the establishment of an islamic terror state in the heart of europe as vigorousily as Johnny Boy??????
I still can’t believe the country let a good man like Duncan Hunter get away.
Taft broke up far more trusts than TR. TR is better described as a “trust muster” not trust buster. He wanted to “muster” them to serve his needs. He had no objection to a big corporation if it toed his line. T.R. and McCain would really get along, and that is scary. T.R. was not a man of the nineteenth century. Politically, he thoroughly rejected the small government, free market republic of the nineteenth century in favor of a massive increase in big government.
You are no Reagan man.
I was referring to the fact that Duncan Hunter is a man’s man. Something very rare today.
McCain’s been a TR fan for years. He was selected to have his bio featured in OpinionJournal’s ranking of the Presidents. A good thing about McCain is that he’s more conservative than Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford and probably Bush 41. He answered the questions on religion well and they are true, as Karl Rove’s excellent piece on him pointed out. He also has a consistent socially conservative record. Some point to the gang of 14 as a reason to say he doesn’t, but if that gang hadn’t come about, the Dems would be unstoppable if they ever got the WH and retained the Sen. Let’s hope that doesn’t ever happen with this current crop.
What’s more, he’s running against someone who’s more dangerous than McGovern, at a time of international strife (to put it mildly). That’s reason enough to do everything to help him win. jmo
That’s a good overview. He’d also shudder at the extent and level of intrusion of govt today. I think every president up to the 30s would (Hoover was also a big govt economics man) and all up to and including LBJ would shudder at the social liberalism that was never something they agreed to. They’d find today’s liberals insane, something it takes a Carter not to realize.
There’s a lot of things the Republicans could be doing, and being tone deaf and ignorant towards their own base is not one of them.
Gays in the military, I have no problem with. If they’re killing off those Muslims who would kill us for not converting to their sick twisted vision of Islam, then so be it.
Yesterday McCain was a foot soldier for Reagan, today he’s a roughrider of the Roosevelt era, tomorrow he’ll be channeling Millard Fillmore, which is a much more appropriate choice for the dead in the water GOP in any event.
Theodore Roosevelt was born on October 27, 1858. He died at the age of 60 on January 6, 1919. He lived all but the last 18 1/2 years of his life in the 19th Century.
The point of my earlier post, which you either seem to have missed or have deliberately ignored, was that the "progressive" movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries is not the same as today's progressivism.
If you know your history, then you know that the Industrial Revolution brought about both wonderful and terrible changes in the human condition. Several 19th Century political, societal and cultural movements arose in reaction. These included, among others:
--> Abolition
--> Women's suffrage
--> The labor movement.
--> The temperance movement.
--> Marxist/Leninist communism/socialism (Karl Marx published his 'The Communist Manifesto' in 1848, a mere 10 years before TR's birth.)
--> The creation of a huge middle class, combined with massive growth in capitalism.
--> The movement away from a rural, agricultural model of society to an urban one.
--> Massive emigration out of the "Old World" to the Americas.
Progressivism as a political movement in the late 19th Century might best be understood as the "third way" of its time. It arose as a response to the vast changes brought about by industrialization, and was a centrist way between the traditional American laissez-faire approach to government and the growing radical Marxist/communist/socialist and anarchist movements of the period.
19th Century progressivism reached its peak with the flurry of political reforms of the early 20th Century.
Anarchism as a viable political movement died when an anarchist assassinated Archduke Ferdinand and set off WWI.
However, the radical Marxist/communist/socialist movement continued to grow, and it is still alive today. Woodrow Wilson was our first Leftist president in the modern sense. The Left adopted the "progressive" label and continues to use it in our time. This movement's 2008 presidential candidate is Barack Obama.
Traditional American laissez-faire political values never died out, even though they were overwhelmed by the late 19th century progressive movement. Those values are the heart of the modern conservative movement.
The modern libertarian movement is an amalgamation between traditional laissez-faire concepts and some of the old anarchist concepts.
Just as in the late 19th century, the "third way" politics of our time seeks to find a middle ground between Left and Right. John McCain is the 2008 "third way" presidential candidate. Indeed, most of our presidents over the past 60 years have sought to govern from whatever was thought to be the vast political "center" at the time.
I see many conventional textbook generalities embedded in this statement but not many specifics. What "terrible changes" did T.R. rescue us from with his massive increase in governmental power? The late nineteenth century brought us steep increases in real wages and the immigrants rapidly moved up the economic ladder without the help of government. TR was a demagogue who supported throwing this successful system in the garbage can. Interestingly, he is the only president in American history to praise war, any war, as a good thing!
T.R.s regulatory reforms in housing only made the situation worse for the poor. Before T.R. they could freely save money by doubling up and tripling up on housing. After T.R.'s paternalistic housing regulations, by contrast, they no longer had the same freedom to this. The protection of home life against the hazards of sickness, irregular employment and old age through the adoption of a system of social insurance adapted to American use;
Industrial Revolution brought about both wonderful and terrible changes in the human condition
I see many conventional textbook generalities embedded in this statement but not many specifics. What "terrible changes" did T.R. rescue us from with his massive increase in governmental power? The late nineteenth century brought us steep increases in real wages and the immigrants rapidly moved up the economic ladder without the help of government. TR was a demagogue who supported throwing this successful system in the garbage can.
T.R.s regulatory reforms in housing only made the situation worse for the poor. Before T.R. they could freely save money by doubling up and tripling up on housing. After T.R.'s paternalistic housing regulations, by contrast, they no longer had the same freedom to this.
BTW, if you think that TR was different was from modern progressives, take a gander at the 1912 Progressive Party Platform which proposed its own version of Hilary-care:
The protection of home life against the hazards of sickness, irregular employment and old age through the adoption of a system of social insurance adapted to American use;
Interestingly, TR was the only president to praise war per se as a good thing. Some hero!
I voted for Schwarzenegger against Davis and Bustamante.
I’m not playing that game anymore. Watching our side dismantle the nation is even more painful.
If a dog is going to eat my kids, it isn’t going to be mine.
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