Skip to comments.The Shame of Postville, Iowa (Barf alert)
Posted on 07/13/2008 8:10:03 AM PDT by DemonDeac
"Anyone who has doubts that this country is abusing and terrorizing undocumented immigrant workers should read an essay by Erik Camayd-Freixas, a professor and Spanish-language court interpreter who witnessed the aftermath of a huge immigration workplace raid at a meatpacking plant in Iowa."
"The essay chillingly describes what Dr. Camayd-Freixas saw and heard as he translated for some of the nearly 400 undocumented workers who were seized by federal agents at the Agriprocessors kosher plant in Postville in May.
Under the old way of doing things, the workers, nearly all Guatemalans, would have been simply and swiftly deported. But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers, and most were sentenced to five months in prison."
"Dr. Camayd-Freixass essay describes the saddest procession I have ever witnessed, which the public would never see because cameras were forbidden.
Driven single-file in groups of 10, shackled at the wrists, waist and ankles, chains dragging as they shuffled through, the slaughterhouse workers were brought in for arraignment, sat and listened through headsets to the interpreted initial appearance, before marching out again to be bused to different county jails, only to make room for the next row of 10."
"No one is denying that the workers were on the wrong side of the law. But there is a profound difference between stealing peoples identities to rob them of money and property, and using false papers to merely get a job. It is a distinction that the Bush administration, goaded by immigration extremists, has willfully ignored."
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
I don’t get it.
How is it cruel to try and convict people who are breaking the law?
They're law-abiding Illegal Aliens, y'see.
Wonder if these guys would like having their SS #'s stolen so the poor Guatemalans could work.
And it really is cute how the editors managed to blame the whole thing on the Bush administration.
This whiney, leftist drivel is enough to make you throw up. Sure, let’s just escort them courteously to the border and bid a fond farewell. Then we can watch as they walk back over the border the following evening. Perhaps 5 months in the slam will make these people think twice about that return visit. Nor has this tearjerking hack bothered to mention how much these poor mistreated babies have cost taxpayers in free medical care, welfare, Social Security and on and on. Never mind the costs involved in tracking them down, running them through the legal system, providing them with attorneys and transporting them back to Mexico. There is no more dependable purveyor of hypocrisy and shamelessness than the NY Times.
G. Carlin on hyphenation: “Pick a %@#$%ing name, Lady.” lol
Jesus,Mary and Joseph.....get them out.Get them *all* out.Don’t kill them.Don’t torture them.But *do* get them out!
But perhaps not as profound as the difference between education and indoctrination.
This event has really kicked the rock from atop the illegal problem here in Iowa, and lots of the bugs are unhappy with the sunlight... including Herr Doktor Professor.
Bingo, the theft of citizen identities was so blatant it could no longer be ignored. Say, what happens if an American in Guatemala or Mexico (or any derivation thereof)assumes anothers identity in order to work, anyone know?
The supply of SSN by health care providers has become a new threat. Workers record the numbers and then check back with the victim and family to see if the victim has deceased and the number can be safely used. So if you get a call about the health and welfare of a family member from a health care provider..they aren’t worried about their welfare. They are wondering if the number is safe to use.
Well, cry me a river. Does this editor think about what other countries in the world do with illegals?
Turns out the NY Times thought deportation was just ducky all along!
They move the goalposts so often they should attach wheels to them.
“Wonder if these guys would like having their SS #’s stolen so the poor Guatemalans could work.”
I’m sure there’s a way to make that happen!
>But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers, and most were sentenced to five months in prison.”<
I’m sorry, but how is that cruel?
If I used a false SS# I would fully expect consequences of that nature.
Especially people who stole someones identity by using their SS#. That should get about 25 years in prison.
(Under the old way of doing things, the workers, nearly all Guatemalans, would have been simply and swiftly deported. But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers, and most were sentenced to five months in prison.” )
1. The old way sounds good. The sooner that ILLEGAL aliens are removed from the Country the better it is for everyone including LEGAL aliens.
2.What is cruel about chatrging serious criminals with serious charges? Using false and stolen social security numbers is a SERIOUS crime.
Only the American-hating NY Times editorial board would consider it cruel that people who falsify social security numbers are prosecuted as criminals.
Just another anti-American hit piece praising illegal aliens and their law breaking activities.
Why do the arrogant supporters of illegal aliens think that illegals should have more rights and benefits than American citizens?
>Jesus,Mary and Joseph.....get them out.Get them *all* out.Dont kill them.Dont torture them.But *do* get them out!<
You say, “ Dont kill them.Dont torture them.”
Somewhere in the number of 100+ die in the desert trying to sneak across our borders. I am confident that if we intentionally shot the next 10 invaders and then broadcast it far and wide across the worlds media letting everyone know that that is the penalty for breaking our immigration laws. I am also confident that the number of illegal aliens attempting to cross would drop to less than a dozen a day for a couple more days and then would trickle down to zero.
Looking at the whole picture, less people would die if we raise the penalty. Correct?
“and transporting them back to Mexico”
Actually, since they are Guatemalan, they would thus be in Mexico illegally, and they definitely would wind up in a Mexican jail if caught...
“But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers, and most were sentenced to five months in prison.””
Yes, and an American citizen would do a lot more time for the same CRIME.
And under the old way, 90% of them would have come right back, and the greedy owners of that factory would have simply replaced them with more illegal criminals, pocketing the money that should have gone into bigger paychecks for American workers! The new way sends a big damn message to Guatemalans that they need to come here legally or not at all, and it sends a message to the meatpacking industry that we are fed up with this business making millions off the backs of exploited illegal workers!
We've had some threads here in the past about this plant. There were plenty of American workers available and willing to work there, but not for slave wages. All the other meatpacking plants that have been raided have also managed to stay in business, but they have had to increase their wages to find legal workers. Why does the New York Times think something is wrong with that???
They gave the perp 5 months. Just for example, look at the law for D.C. for a citizen.
Any person convicted of identity theft shall be fined not more than (1) $10,000, (2) three times the value of the property obtained, or (3) three times the amount of the financial injury, whichever is greatest, or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both, if the property obtained or the amount of the financial injury is $250 or more.
well, to truley enforce all immigration laws, to deport all illegals, one would need to create a police state, in effect.
Something just ain’t kosher about this “professor”.
Oh BS....the only problem is they let it go far too long... I remember in calmer days INS pursuit of illegals was a daily and common occurrence until somebody decided not to bother with it anymore and the addiction to cheap labor began....and we were NOT a police state by any stretch of the imagination...
I would get prosecuted for identity theft. Why should an illegal alien Guatemalan get to skate on that charge and be merely deported?
After their five months in jail and deportation I hope word spreads in Guatemala not to come here
Putting their illegal asses in jail for violating our laws sounds like Change I can believe in.