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The Shame of Postville, Iowa (Barf alert)
NY Times ^ | July 13, 2008 | None given-Editorial Board

Posted on 07/13/2008 8:10:03 AM PDT by DemonDeac

"Anyone who has doubts that this country is abusing and terrorizing undocumented immigrant workers should read an essay by Erik Camayd-Freixas, a professor and Spanish-language court interpreter who witnessed the aftermath of a huge immigration workplace raid at a meatpacking plant in Iowa."

"The essay chillingly describes what Dr. Camayd-Freixas saw and heard as he translated for some of the nearly 400 undocumented workers who were seized by federal agents at the Agriprocessors kosher plant in Postville in May.

Under the old way of doing things, the workers, nearly all Guatemalans, would have been simply and swiftly deported. But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers, and most were sentenced to five months in prison."

"Dr. Camayd-Freixas’s essay describes “the saddest procession I have ever witnessed, which the public would never see” — because cameras were forbidden.

“Driven single-file in groups of 10, shackled at the wrists, waist and ankles, chains dragging as they shuffled through, the slaughterhouse workers were brought in for arraignment, sat and listened through headsets to the interpreted initial appearance, before marching out again to be bused to different county jails, only to make room for the next row of 10.”"

"No one is denying that the workers were on the wrong side of the law. But there is a profound difference between stealing people’s identities to rob them of money and property, and using false papers to merely get a job. It is a distinction that the Bush administration, goaded by immigration extremists, has willfully ignored."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; crymeariver; deport; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration
He makes us sound like the Gestapo. Abuse and terrorizing. Dickension cruelty. Etc, etc, etc
1 posted on 07/13/2008 8:10:03 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: DemonDeac

I don’t get it.

How is it cruel to try and convict people who are breaking the law?


2 posted on 07/13/2008 8:14:39 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: DemonDeac
But there is a profound difference between stealing people’s identities to rob them of money and property, and using false papers to merely get a job.

They're law-abiding Illegal Aliens, y'see.

3 posted on 07/13/2008 8:22:54 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: DemonDeac
But there is a profound difference between stealing people’s identities to rob them of money and property, and using false papers to merely get a job

Wonder if these guys would like having their SS #'s stolen so the poor Guatemalans could work.

And it really is cute how the editors managed to blame the whole thing on the Bush administration.

4 posted on 07/13/2008 8:23:57 AM PDT by groanup (Most of my cliche's aren't original.)
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To: DemonDeac

This whiney, leftist drivel is enough to make you throw up. Sure, let’s just escort them courteously to the border and bid a fond farewell. Then we can watch as they walk back over the border the following evening. Perhaps 5 months in the slam will make these people think twice about that return visit. Nor has this tearjerking hack bothered to mention how much these poor mistreated babies have cost taxpayers in free medical care, welfare, Social Security and on and on. Never mind the costs involved in tracking them down, running them through the legal system, providing them with attorneys and transporting them back to Mexico. There is no more dependable purveyor of hypocrisy and shamelessness than the NY Times.


5 posted on 07/13/2008 8:24:47 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: DemonDeac

G. Carlin on hyphenation: “Pick a %@#$%ing name, Lady.” lol


6 posted on 07/13/2008 8:24:59 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: BenLurkin
IF the paper feels that the sentence for the offense is unjust, then they have every right to propose a change, but the penalties have nothing to do with George Bush or the FBI, or law enforcement. Next I suppose handcuffing suspects will be considered ‘torture’, unless said suspects are Republicans.
This ‘interpreter’ has crossed a line alright, from observer to advocate and should be summarily fired.
7 posted on 07/13/2008 8:25:24 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: DemonDeac

Jesus,Mary and Joseph.....get them out.Get them *all* out.Don’t kill them.Don’t torture them.But *do* get them out!


8 posted on 07/13/2008 8:25:51 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The problem with the rat race is,even if you win you're still a rat.)
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To: DemonDeac
But there is a profound difference between stealing people’s identities to rob them of money and property, and using false papers to merely get a job.

But perhaps not as profound as the difference between education and indoctrination.

This event has really kicked the rock from atop the illegal problem here in Iowa, and lots of the bugs are unhappy with the sunlight... including Herr Doktor Professor.

Mr. niteowl77

9 posted on 07/13/2008 8:27:33 AM PDT by niteowl77 (If you push too hard, you won't believe what happens next.)
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To: groanup

Bingo, the theft of citizen identities was so blatant it could no longer be ignored. Say, what happens if an American in Guatemala or Mexico (or any derivation thereof)assumes anothers identity in order to work, anyone know?


10 posted on 07/13/2008 8:28:07 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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ping


11 posted on 07/13/2008 8:29:00 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: martin_fierro

The supply of SSN by health care providers has become a new threat. Workers record the numbers and then check back with the victim and family to see if the victim has deceased and the number can be safely used. So if you get a call about the health and welfare of a family member from a health care provider..they aren’t worried about their welfare. They are wondering if the number is safe to use.


12 posted on 07/13/2008 8:29:59 AM PDT by Oldexpat (Drill Here, Drill There..we must drill everywhere.)
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To: DemonDeac
You forgot the


13 posted on 07/13/2008 8:30:33 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: DemonDeac

Well, cry me a river. Does this editor think about what other countries in the world do with illegals?


14 posted on 07/13/2008 8:31:39 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Turns out the NY Times thought deportation was just ducky all along!

They move the goalposts so often they should attach wheels to them.


15 posted on 07/13/2008 8:40:45 AM PDT by relictele
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To: groanup

“Wonder if these guys would like having their SS #’s stolen so the poor Guatemalans could work.”
I’m sure there’s a way to make that happen!


16 posted on 07/13/2008 8:45:54 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: DemonDeac

>But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers, and most were sentenced to five months in prison.”<

I’m sorry, but how is that cruel?

If I used a false SS# I would fully expect consequences of that nature.


17 posted on 07/13/2008 9:07:13 AM PDT by Califreak (What exactly is a "Do Wacka Do" anyway?)
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To: BenLurkin

Especially people who stole someones identity by using their SS#. That should get about 25 years in prison.


18 posted on 07/13/2008 9:12:10 AM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: DemonDeac

(Under the old way of doing things, the workers, nearly all Guatemalans, would have been simply and swiftly deported. But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers, and most were sentenced to five months in prison.” )

Two points.
1. The old way sounds good. The sooner that ILLEGAL aliens are removed from the Country the better it is for everyone including LEGAL aliens.
2.What is cruel about chatrging serious criminals with serious charges? Using false and stolen social security numbers is a SERIOUS crime.


19 posted on 07/13/2008 9:22:57 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: DemonDeac
But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers,

Only the American-hating NY Times editorial board would consider it cruel that people who falsify social security numbers are prosecuted as criminals.

20 posted on 07/13/2008 9:23:01 AM PDT by A message
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To: All

Just another anti-American hit piece praising illegal aliens and their law breaking activities.

Why do the arrogant supporters of illegal aliens think that illegals should have more rights and benefits than American citizens?


21 posted on 07/13/2008 9:27:12 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Phil Gramm Says: "I'm A Whiner")
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To: Gay State Conservative

>Jesus,Mary and Joseph.....get them out.Get them *all* out.Don’t kill them.Don’t torture them.But *do* get them out!<

You say, “ Don’t kill them.Don’t torture them.”

Somewhere in the number of 100+ die in the desert trying to sneak across our borders. I am confident that if we intentionally shot the next 10 invaders and then broadcast it far and wide across the worlds media letting everyone know that that is the penalty for breaking our immigration laws. I am also confident that the number of illegal aliens attempting to cross would drop to less than a dozen a day for a couple more days and then would trickle down to zero.

Looking at the whole picture, less people would die if we raise the penalty. Correct?


22 posted on 07/13/2008 9:35:31 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

“and transporting them back to Mexico”

Actually, since they are Guatemalan, they would thus be in Mexico illegally, and they definitely would wind up in a Mexican jail if caught...


23 posted on 07/13/2008 9:35:59 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: DemonDeac

“But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers, and most were sentenced to five months in prison.””

Yes, and an American citizen would do a lot more time for the same CRIME.


24 posted on 07/13/2008 9:40:28 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: DemonDeac
Under the old way of doing things, the workers, nearly all Guatemalans, would have been simply and swiftly deported. But in a twist of Dickensian cruelty, more than 260 were charged as serious criminals for using false Social Security numbers or residency papers, and most were sentenced to five months in prison.

And under the old way, 90% of them would have come right back, and the greedy owners of that factory would have simply replaced them with more illegal criminals, pocketing the money that should have gone into bigger paychecks for American workers! The new way sends a big damn message to Guatemalans that they need to come here legally or not at all, and it sends a message to the meatpacking industry that we are fed up with this business making millions off the backs of exploited illegal workers!

We've had some threads here in the past about this plant. There were plenty of American workers available and willing to work there, but not for slave wages. All the other meatpacking plants that have been raided have also managed to stay in business, but they have had to increase their wages to find legal workers. Why does the New York Times think something is wrong with that???

25 posted on 07/13/2008 9:42:26 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (RIP Tony Snow, great American, father, and Christian)
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To: BenLurkin

They gave the perp 5 months. Just for example, look at the law for D.C. for a citizen.

Any person convicted of identity theft shall be fined not more than (1) $10,000, (2) three times the value of the property obtained, or (3) three times the amount of the financial injury, whichever is greatest, or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both, if the property obtained or the amount of the financial injury is $250 or more.

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/lis/privacy/idt-statutes.htm


26 posted on 07/13/2008 9:47:52 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: DemonDeac

well, to truley enforce all immigration laws, to deport all illegals, one would need to create a police state, in effect.


27 posted on 07/13/2008 9:50:19 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: DemonDeac

Something just ain’t kosher about this “professor”.


28 posted on 07/13/2008 11:44:39 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: traviskicks
well, to truley enforce all immigration laws, to deport all illegals, one would need to create a police state, in effect.

Oh BS....the only problem is they let it go far too long... I remember in calmer days INS pursuit of illegals was a daily and common occurrence until somebody decided not to bother with it anymore and the addiction to cheap labor began....and we were NOT a police state by any stretch of the imagination...

29 posted on 07/13/2008 11:55:05 AM PDT by Niteflyr ("If youÂ’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: DemonDeac

I would get prosecuted for identity theft. Why should an illegal alien Guatemalan get to skate on that charge and be merely deported?

After their five months in jail and deportation I hope word spreads in Guatemala not to come here


30 posted on 07/13/2008 3:20:59 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: DemonDeac
Under the old way of doing things....

Putting their illegal asses in jail for violating our laws sounds like Change I can believe in.

31 posted on 07/13/2008 3:27:51 PM PDT by Feckless (En Temps)
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