Posted on 07/13/2008 10:44:43 AM PDT by wagglebee
“we ARE NOT talking about someone who was brain dead”
You are not.
Terri Schiavo was a brain stem, and you know it.
Let’s also not forget that a person who is found face down WOULD NOT have injuries on her back.
The government had no business in there at all, neither did her parents, she was an adult and married. Her husband had the decision and he made his call, had to use the courts but he made his call. Is there anyone out there who thinks she would be up and about to day if she was alive or would she be lying there on life support(once again, having to be fed and hydrated by artificial means is life support no matter how you spin it)?
We all know the answer, she would still be lying there, never ever having fun, never enjoying life. Life is about more than just lying in a bed breathing.
Terri WAS NOT brain dead, if she were she would have been unable to breathe.
Try learning FACTS and not arguing from emotion, that is a trait of liberals.
With an aging population, the implications for our parents, grandparents and siblings are very similar. Are you implying that we should not care for our own parents as they grow feeble, requiring diapers and feeding assistance?
It wouldn’t ever get that far.
It would be done by mutual agreement to both of us by each other.
did you read Mark Fuhrman’s book?
It’s been awhile since I read it.
I remember it seemed like a book that was written in haste (probably to cash in while the story was still in the news), but it did contain very valuable information, and it showed how many details of this case are misreported.
So - many “myths” have been circulated as fact...that she was bulimic, that she suffered a heart attack, that she was brain dead, that her brain had turned to mush...it’s a long list.
So people wind up arguing over “facts” that are irrelevant because they aren’t true.
As far as Terri being found on her stomach - I remember Fuhrman offered several scenarios where Terri could have been injured as she fell - but I’d have to re-read that part to get the specifics.
Evidently you think breathing is controlled by the cerebral cortex. That would be impossible in Mrs. Schiavo’s case, since most of it degenerated into cerebral spinal fluid. Google Terri Schiavo’s brain scans, and you’ll see what I mean.
This presents no logical difficultly, of course, because unconscious breathing occurs in the BRAIN STEM. Maybe you didn’t learn too much in grade school, but you should at least be able to use the wiki.
*You* are the one who thinks the entire affair, starting with Judge Greer (a conservative Baptist Republican) is a colossal conspiracy. Get a grip on reality.
My favorite theory was that she drank too much iced tea.
The FACT is that the day of her injury, Terri spent $80 having her hair permed and was worried that Michael would get angry.
Another FACT is that she had discussed leaving Michael.
Yet another FACT is that Michael NEVER suggesting killing Terri until AFTER the court had ordered a large sum of money for her rehabilitation.
Maybe you didn’t learn too much in grade school, but you should at least be able to use the wiki.
Maybe you should knock off the personal insults.
I guess she did drink alot of iced tea - but I fail to see how that kills a person.
“The FACT is that the day of her injury, Terri spent $80 having her hair permed and was worried that Michael would get angry.”
true
“Another FACT is that she had discussed leaving Michael.”
true.
“Yet another FACT is that Michael NEVER suggesting killing Terri until AFTER the court had ordered a large sum of money for her rehabilitation.”
very true, and what’s frustrating is that the first case where he won money for care - he argued the fact he needed to take care of her for the rest of her life.
His lawyer argued she would live a normal life span, and therefore needed the money so SHE COULD BE CARED FOR.
As soon as he got the money, he proceeded on his campaign to dehydrate her.
That's impossible. How many brain-dead corpses have you seen breathing? None. And you never will. Because it is absolutely impossible.
Or is it possible you didn't mean "braindead, yet breathing corpse" in a literal sense, but merely as an insult? Please clarify.
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You clearly have not read anything about the case or you would not have posted such an ignorant post.
Read up on it. The information is there.
Learn something before you criticize people who HAVE taken the time to learn the circumstances of this situation.
There are court transcripts -there are doctors/nurses/friends/and family who testified to facts under oath.
Michael made his intentions very clear.
I couldn’t agree more!
I would not have had the feeding tubes removed based on what was known at the time about her brain’s condition.
Based on what the autopsy apparently showed to be the actual conditions, I believe an appropriate decision was made.
However, I think it is appalling that we use such a needlessly harsh method to those in such a condition. It would have been criminal to kill a severely injured dog in such a way, starving and dehydrating it to death.
Rather than “shutting her off” in a humane way, we pretend we’re not really killing her by doing so slowly over a two week period.
I don’t have the answer. Positive methods taken to stop breathing are at least equally creepy and slippery slopey. But there has to be a better way to terminate things than starvation and dehydration. If witholding water isn’t active killing, why should witholding oxygen be, for example?
That's not true. You are either completely misguided and uninformed about Teri's condition prior to her murder or you are a willfull liar. Which is it?
However, we cannot overlook the FACT that 13 days without hydration will certainly have an affect on the brain.
Brain damage is a continuum, from full conciousness to complete brain death.
My understanding is that the autopsy showed her to be most of the way over to the brain death side, with very little upper brain function (or upper brain, FTM) left.
With the hindsight provided by the autopsy, I tend to agree with those who think keeping her breathing served neither her nor anyone else well. I’m not sure that there was sufficient information to make that decision without possible error before the autopsy, though.
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