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An Oregon county could vanish along with timber payments
The Oregonian ^ | July 13, 2008 | MATTHEW PREUSCH

Posted on 07/13/2008 4:46:42 PM PDT by george76

Is it possible that one of Oregon's 36 counties could disappear? And if so, would anyone step in to provide basic services to its residents?

The answer to the first question, according to many in and out of government, is yes, and soon. At least two Oregon counties, Curry and Josephine, warn they may stop providing state-mandated programs as soon as a year from now.

But no one is sure who would step in to take over services such as elections and law enforcement, which has county leaders concerned and the state scrambling to put together a system for saving counties in crisis.

How did Oregon arrive at a point where the dissolution of one or more of its counties is being contemplated and planned?

The problem is tied to the state's wealth of federal forests. For more than a century the federal government shared timber receipts with local governments, which rely in large part on property taxes to pay for services.

Federal land is exempt from local property taxes.

Following the decline of public lands logging in the 1990s, Congress passed the Secure Rural Schools and Community Self-Determination Act, which expired in 2007...

But some counties will fare far worse than others.

Many counties have already eliminated jobs or shut libraries ...

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: environment; govwatch; logging; taxes; timber
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1 posted on 07/13/2008 4:46:43 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76
And if so, would anyone step in to provide basic services to its residents?

I'm sure they'll get everything they pay for. You know, government off my back, fine country living, etc.

2 posted on 07/13/2008 4:49:20 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: jazusamo

http://www.co.curry.or.us/


3 posted on 07/13/2008 4:49:56 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

There are several counties in CO with populations well under 1,000. Kind of makes you wonder how they keep things going. Much of an infrastructure and the whole population would be working for the county.


4 posted on 07/13/2008 4:52:13 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: Salvation

http://www.co.josephine.or.us/


5 posted on 07/13/2008 4:53:22 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Sherman Logan

It is tough when the Federal government owns 99 percent of the land, bans all commercial activities, and then pays no property county taxes.


6 posted on 07/13/2008 4:56:37 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

When I was a young man Oregon was a great state of loggers, fishermen, and a great tourist industry. I guess too many Southern Californians have moved up there because they have turned into a Marxist liberal, far left state and it’s hard for some like me to even care what happens to them now. The same could be said about Washington state. I live in Hawaii and it along with the whole west (left) coast has literally gone to hell. Obama may just be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.


7 posted on 07/13/2008 4:59:26 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Sherman Logan

What has long boggled my mind is the huge number of counties in Texas. Surely some unification could lead to tax reductions.


8 posted on 07/13/2008 5:01:26 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: Melchior

Don’t think that would work. My understanding is that Texans, unlike just about anybody else in the country, are “patriotic” about their county.


9 posted on 07/13/2008 5:02:56 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: george76

**How did Oregon arrive at a point where the dissolution of one or more of its counties is being contemplated and planned?**

Dimocrats including kulongoski.


10 posted on 07/13/2008 5:07:18 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Melchior

Texas counties are actually a good deal bigger, like most things in TX, than those farther east. They average something like 1000 sq. miles, about twice that of a MO county, for example.


11 posted on 07/13/2008 5:08:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: george76; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
Oregon Ping

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12 posted on 07/13/2008 5:08:46 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: george76

“It is tough when the Federal government owns 99 percent of the land, bans all commercial activities, and then pays no property county taxes.”

You forgot “and takes 30% of the income generated in the county for income taxes, as well.”


13 posted on 07/13/2008 5:25:03 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: george76

This will never fly! The slaves must pay taxes for the programs the government mandates!!! A slave rebellion will not be tolerated!!


14 posted on 07/13/2008 5:28:46 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Sherman Logan

Texas has a half dozen counties under 1000, even Georgia has 4 counties under 3000.


15 posted on 07/13/2008 5:31:27 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: fish hawk

It’s worrisome to me, my wife moved there ahead of me to open her business, with any luck I’ll be joining her soon. I hope I haven’t traded one liberal hell hole (NYC) for another. (Although at least its a lot nicer in or.)

Well, at least the RKBA seems alive and well there.


16 posted on 07/13/2008 5:37:44 PM PDT by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: PAR35
Connecticut has no counties (well, there are counties on the map, but there are no county governments). Rather, we have cities and towns, and they do all the stuff that a county would do in other states.

Connecticut has 169 cities / towns, and a population of 3.4 million. It looks like at least 1/3 of these twons have populations less than 10,000.

17 posted on 07/13/2008 5:48:17 PM PDT by Koblenz (The Dem Platform, condensed: 1. Tax and Spend. 2. Cut and Run. 3. Man on Man)
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To: glorgau

What’s the problem? They have a Democrat Governor and Democrat control of the state legislature, just raise taxes in those counties.

A lot of bleeding heart liberals in Portland too, maybe they will volunteer to pay more taxes to help.

Isn’t that the Democrats cure for everything?


18 posted on 07/13/2008 6:19:18 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: DakotaRed

If I remember correctly, president Bush gave the state some lee way to do more logging and old governor Kulongoski said no.

The recent 9th circuit court reversal on its anti logging stance needs to be persued.


19 posted on 07/13/2008 6:31:28 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: correctthought
I wrote the part below first but I should address the subject of the thread. The counties should take the O&C timberlands from the federal government, by force if necessary, and begin making appropriate use of them. If the federal government has the need to build a post office on any of those lands there are methods in place to facilitate the acquisition of any required property.

To which part of Orygun are you coming?

Correct on RKBA. We passed shall issue concealed carry before it became trendy, and with a Democrat legislature at that. Still not good enough for me though and I have no intention of paying the government to be put into that database. No permit CC comes up every couple of years and it will pass eventually - the qualifications for carry permit are nearly identical to those required to pass NICS, so there is no legitimate need to require government permits certifying qualifications that have already been satisfied through another agency.

And beyond the NICS, government permission is not required to purchase any type of firearm. Also, no types of firearms or accessories are banned - whatever is legal under federal law is legal here. There is no state registration. We do have a law that requires NICS check for private sales at gun shows. That proposal actually failed in the legislature but it was brought in the next year as a voter passed initiative (McCain helped campaign for it). Stands to reason in a state that elects mostly Democrats a large portion of the voters would be mentally deficient (IMHO) but Democrat and Republican elected officials alike don't generally support gun control proposals. Guns of some kind are in virtually every home and those who have them want to keep them - and besides, it's doubtful much in the way of gun control would be allowable under our state constitution, where RKBA has always been clearly an individual right for (among other purposes) self defense.

20 posted on 07/13/2008 6:34:53 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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To: george76
Only every other section. It keep Weyerhauser co from locking up the whole state. They own the sections of timber that BLM doesn't. Fed Judges and Unions keep the logging down.
21 posted on 07/13/2008 7:45:16 PM PDT by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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To: fish hawk
HEY - Hey _ Hey, say California Ok, But most of us in So Cal are somewhat Conservative

22 posted on 07/13/2008 7:53:38 PM PDT by Foolsgold (after all we got Daschel)
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To: george76

I live here and think Josephine County is corrupt from top to bottom. The courthouse is run by a bunch of petty little Martinettes... Let the county government die... I have never seen such a bunch of crooks running a municipal government - - and I came here from California...

I vote no on any taxes.

The county needs to get off welfare.


23 posted on 07/13/2008 7:56:43 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Dave in Eugene of all places

Thanks for your kind response.

We are moving to Portland Metro, or rather I am as my wife is already there. I’m leaning towards Washington County for us to settle in. Both my wife and I love the state for its natural beauty and it seems to be more business friendly than NYC, believe it or not.


24 posted on 07/13/2008 8:06:28 PM PDT by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: Salvation

I live in Josephine county...

It is corrupt from top to bottom.

The courts are run by crooks.

Two of the three county commissioners are flaming liberals.

It has the second highest per capita use of methamphetamine in the USA.

Everybody is on the take, many are trying to either extort money from or blackmail someone.

The real estate ripoffs and sales scams are everywhere.

Let the county government die, especially the district court. I have never seen such a bunch legal welfare case lawyers in my life and I came from California.

I’d like to see a complete IRS audit of the civil court division, half of the contactors and mortgage brokers here would go to jail.


25 posted on 07/13/2008 8:21:15 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: correctthought

See #25...

I am looking North as well...


26 posted on 07/13/2008 8:22:15 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Congratulations. you just perfectly illustrated the main problem of Josephine county. People from California that don’t want to pay taxes. If you think the county is so corrupt what are you doing to change it? I talked to a woman whose husband is running for mayor,(and in Grants Pass that is an UNPAID position) and although her and I agree on many of the things you said, we both want to work to change it. BTW if you think JoCo is corrupt You’re REALLY going to be unhappy in the Peoples Republic of Eugene, or the Dem enclave of Salem, or the really drugged out town of Portland. My god children live in Washington county, it’s a cesspool. I was raised there but I will never go back to the Portland area.


27 posted on 07/13/2008 9:18:18 PM PDT by BruceysMom ( My heart is in Baggs)
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To: correctthought

You are safe as anywhere is not as bad as NY City. LOL


28 posted on 07/13/2008 9:18:43 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: BruceysMom
Congratulations. you just perfectly illustrated the main problem of Josephine county. People from California that don’t want to pay taxes.

I am actually from Michigan originally.

The main problem of Josephine county is the dishonesty in local government, in predatory business practices and in the nepotism thereof. Consumer fraud is a way of life here.

Somehow, if someone is from California (or wherever) many of the locals think it is fair game to rip them off. They are aided and abetted by the crooked judges.

AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS PART OF THE UNITED STATES!


If you think the county is so corrupt what are you doing to change it?

I'll starve them of taxes and let them hang themselves. But first, they need a huge Internal Revenue Service audit.

Maybe I will run for the presiding judicial seat.

The county is also the subject of a big lawsuit for deliberate indifference in matters of criminal prosecution that the locals are trying to cover up.

I know a lot more than what I am saying... it won't be the first time the Feds have stepped in...

Some Jackson county officials, immediately South, are aware of these things, but lack the oversight authority to deal with it.


BTW if you think JoCo is corrupt You’re REALLY going to be unhappy in the Peoples Republic of Eugene, or the Dem enclave of Salem, or the really drugged out town of Portland.

Josephine county has the second highest per capita use of methamphetamine in the USA.

There are just as many kooky liberals here as there are in your aforementioned places of Eugene and Salem, many of them hide behind a Republican mask of respectability.

With all the Obama and Ron Paul signs I see around here, I really wonder.

29 posted on 07/14/2008 4:01:43 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: george76

Keep voting democrat, fools!


30 posted on 07/14/2008 7:29:01 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

**It has the second highest per capita use of methamphetamine in the USA.**

Unbelievable for Josephine County.


31 posted on 07/14/2008 7:45:20 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: george76
Many of the issues of the Pacific Northwest arise the government owning a huge percentage of the land resources of the area....the government is never efficient at managing resources....
32 posted on 07/14/2008 8:13:14 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: jmaroneps37

Much of Oregon actually votes fairly conservative...if u take Portland out of Oregon, Oregon would be be fairly red.....


33 posted on 07/14/2008 8:15:13 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: george76

Welcome to Oregon. We have lived in Washington Co. since 1995 and love it here. Yes there are liberals here but it’s not too bad. Hope you enjoy it here as much as we do. Check out the state parks, many beautiful places. This is their web site http://www.oregon.gov/OPRD/PARKS/index.shtml


34 posted on 07/14/2008 8:25:11 AM PDT by Dan12180 (Prayers and faith vanquish all)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

So you want to starve the government, all that means to me is that our sheriff goes on the record telling citizens to buy a gun cause there aren’t any police when you need them.( and just so you know, I already own a gun and haven’t relied on the cops for quite some time, but many of my elderly neighbors are not so fortunate) There aren’t any libraries either. I’m a native and the “starved them out” has been tried before.

Washington county has more then meth problems. Per capita means nothing when many of your neighbors are gang bangers.

In post number 23 you said you came here from California so you ARE from Cali.

I have worked in Jackson county it doesn’t have any room to malign Josephine county, just as much if not more corruption. A friend from childhood is a leo over there.
and again, except for voting against taxes what are you doing to help?

Where do you see Obama and Ron Paul signs? I work at one of the largest employers in Josephine county and I’ve seen two Paul bumper stickers and One Obama. Maybe you should stay away from the community college.

Care to elaborate on when the feds last stepped in? I’ve lived here since 83 and it hasn’t happened since I’ve been here.

I’m not denying Joco has big problems, I just am sick of people that only complain and do nothing but continue to enjoy this beautiful area and refuse to pay to help it stay that way.

Paul Walters is this you?
Nah of course not, as nutty as he is, he at least runs for office.


35 posted on 07/14/2008 9:36:11 AM PDT by BruceysMom ( My heart is in Baggs)
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To: BruceysMom
I just am sick of people that only complain and do nothing but continue to enjoy this beautiful area and refuse to pay to help it stay that way.

I didn't say I was enjoying it. And, I don't pay extortion to inbred local mucky mucks who think they have their own country within the United States of America.

I thought I got away from that in California, guess not... I have lived in several other states and spent time overseas...


Paul Walters is this you?

Nope. I don't agree with him on a number of things, but I DO like him. Yes he is nutty, but an honest nut he remains.

I also like, Gordon Anderson, Sandy Cassenelli, Ron Maurer, Gil Gilbertson and a few others... but the courthouse is run by grifters and cheats.

I also never said what I do as a profession, and I repeat, I know a lot more than what I am saying here...

I came here to raise my children in peace, but when I see the predatory business and legal practices against fellow Americans, I object. Let the county government die, I want nothing to do with it...

Oh, and by the way, Peter DeFazio can also go to hell.

36 posted on 07/14/2008 5:35:07 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Oh, and by the way, Peter DeFazio can also go to hell.

Well at least we agree on something.


37 posted on 07/14/2008 5:49:15 PM PDT by BruceysMom ( My heart is in Baggs)
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To: Salvation
**It has the second highest per capita use of methamphetamine in the USA.**

Unbelievable for Josephine County.

I won't elaborate, but it is pretty common knowledge that there are advisory personnel from the military looking at the problem...

38 posted on 07/14/2008 5:54:48 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Bring back Sheriff Arnado. He was very effective at cleaning up the riff-raff. But then again, he had a workable budget to get things done. Gil doesn’t have a chance with the money he has to work with. Heard they were down to one sheriff per 24 hour day in Cave Junction.


39 posted on 07/14/2008 6:57:42 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: Foolsgold
Ha. People say that about Oregon, it's those darn flatlanders coming in done ruined it. Our late Gov. Tom McCall (R - though of the authoritarian left quarter of the plane) of the ‘60s actively discouraged Californians moving up here. But he is largely responsible for the death of the rural culture in this state through his pioneering of state controlled land use planning, which was a model adopted by other states over the years. These land use regulations typically encourage high density urban development while making rural development (and sometimes even maintaining existing rural uses) extremely difficult.
40 posted on 07/14/2008 9:48:14 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Let the county government die...

Lane County is crying the blues over the timber money as well, and I say boo frickin hoo. The biggest money problem ALL governments in Oregon have is the extremely generous PERS pension system, where employees can retire at around 52 (and even younger for police and firemen). The liability for this retirement system is tremendous and still growing by leaps and bounds. Some agencies have PERS expenditures as large as their payrolls.

I often wonder, if the government went bankrupt, if the PERS liability would go away or if the courts would come after the individual citizens.

41 posted on 07/14/2008 10:12:10 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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To: Dave in Eugene of all places
Lane County is crying the blues over the timber money as well, and I say boo frickin hoo.

Good for you. These folks think they can tax us into their prosperity.


Some agencies have PERS expenditures as large as their payrolls.

Yep.


I often wonder, if the government went bankrupt, if the PERS liability would go away or if the courts would come after the individual citizens.

The court here is full of crooks, especially the civil division. It is seen as a lawsuit sweepstakes used to sieze property and assets. Judge Judy on steroids, complete with their own armed thugs to do their bidding.

Watch for some judge to issue a court order for more taxes...

They legislature is tring to do away with the more than 50% registered voter attendance required to raise taxes, it will be on the ballot in November.

Let them eat cake...

42 posted on 07/15/2008 1:57:03 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: TruthWillWin
Gil doesn’t have a chance with the money he has to work with.

Gil Gilbertson is a good man. He has a really tough row to hoe and he is working in a snake pit of liberals, even his office is in a den of thieves (the courthouse).

But, Gil worked in Bosnia, so he will do the best he can, I am sure of that. He will dress in that uniform every day and report for duty like a good soldier.

Intelligence gathering resources is what he needs more than money. He is definately not afraid to make arrests.

I suggest the swearing in of a posse everytime he needs armed personnel like the days of the Old West. There are plenty of qualified volunteers.

43 posted on 07/15/2008 2:25:53 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: BruceysMom; Sir Francis Dashwood
Josephine and Curry counties' property tax rates, about 60 cents per $1,000 assessed property value, are far lower than the state average of $2.80 per $1,000.

I just am sick of people that only complain and do nothing but continue to enjoy this beautiful area and refuse to pay to help it stay that way.

I think your perception is spot on, BruceysMom.

44 posted on 07/15/2008 1:38:42 PM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: Valpal1
Josephine and Curry counties' property tax rates, about 60 cents per $1,000 assessed property value, are far lower than the state average of $2.80 per $1,000.

Maybe you would like to pay more in property taxes? Go ahead... You think it is not "fair" to pay less in taxes?

That sure is screwball liberal thinking.

45 posted on 07/15/2008 5:27:15 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Dave in Eugene of all places

“The biggest money problem ALL governments in Oregon have is the extremely generous PERS pension system, where employees can retire at around 52 (and even younger for police and firemen).”
This comment is very misleading. Only a tiny percentage of PERS folks can go at 52. Those with 30 or more years of service.


46 posted on 07/16/2008 6:17:54 AM PDT by rogator
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To: rogator
Not misleading. 52 (and sometimes younger) is when folks start cashing in on this very generous retirement benefit that is fully paid for by other people. That some people entered the system later in life is immaterial to the argument of the system's above market benefits and it's cost to taxpayers.
47 posted on 07/16/2008 8:18:03 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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To: Dave in Eugene of all places

I am tired of the government millionaires.

And then there is the screwball liberal thinking it is not fair we don’t pay as much in taxes as other counties...

Taxpayer bailouts for bad banking practices and corrupt local government accounting?

No thanks. I’ll earn my money the old fashioned way. Let them eat cake.


48 posted on 07/17/2008 2:48:00 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I live in Umatilla County, similar population and income levels. Rural farm county on the opposite side of the state. Your county tax base is less than half ours.

You want to keep your county services, then pay for them. As it is I’m the one paying for them, since state and federal payments are MY taxes too.

Get over yourself, residents of Josephine County don’t have a right to free ride at other taxpayer’s expense.

I guess your other choice is to get rolled up into another county and get outvoted by it’s greater population.

You want self determination in your county, you’ll have to pay for it. Freedom ain’t free.


49 posted on 07/17/2008 7:33:40 AM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: george76

The outlying counties are just milk cows for the Willamette Valley. A couple of ‘em dying is an acceptable loss.


50 posted on 07/17/2008 11:01:39 AM PDT by gundog (John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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