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Urban farming takes root in Detroit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7495717.stm ^ | 10 July 2008 | Matthew Wells

Posted on 07/13/2008 6:58:52 PM PDT by Lorianne

Could growing fresh vegetables help save crumbling inner cities around the world and tackle hunger? ___

That is the ambitious aim of a charity called Urban Farming, which has its headquarters in Detroit, the capital of the US's wilting car industry.

The idea is very simple: turn wasteland into free vegetable gardens and feed the poor people who live nearby.

Motown has lost more than a million residents since its heyday in the 1950s and it is common to see downtown residential streets with just a few houses left standing.

Taja Sevelle saw the hundreds of hectares of vacant land in the city and came up with the idea of creating an organic self-help movement that would be "affordable (and) practical".

Beginning three years ago, armed with $5,000 (£2,500) and a pamphlet, the singer and entrepreneur managed to win a wide cross-section of support around the city. Now her charity is expanding across the US.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: detroit; environment; farming; foodsupply; urban

1 posted on 07/13/2008 7:01:03 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Hey everybody! Remember the glory days? 1973: Ford US brand sales reaches an all time high of 2.35 million vehicles produced!

We can recapture those glory days! Here's how: find a vacant lot and grow some zucchini, some tomatoes -- and arugula! Yeee Haaa!

2 posted on 07/13/2008 7:06:35 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: Lorianne

The land was ours before we were the land’s.

from “The Gift Outright” by Robert Frost


3 posted on 07/13/2008 7:08:31 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Lorianne
Ok, here is the problem...

Vegetables grow outdoors, and require a couple of months to mature. Thus, one needs respectful neighbors and/or rule of law to successfully grow a garden. One could also substitute $1000s of dollars worth of fencing, security cameras or guards, but a few dollars worth of vegetables is hardly worth that.

4 posted on 07/13/2008 7:11:13 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can never be obvious enough.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

No...not arugula.....wa’mellon and dates.


5 posted on 07/13/2008 7:11:39 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Lorianne
The idea is very simple: turn wasteland into free vegetable gardens and feed the poor people who live nearby.

Nah, the "poor" get food stamps and have NO incentive whatsoever to farm.

6 posted on 07/13/2008 7:12:11 PM PDT by GOPJ (When your ideology makes no sense it costs more to sell. Freeper ArmstedFragg)
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To: Lorianne
Urban farming takes root in Detroit

If someone suggests cotton, there will be riots!

7 posted on 07/13/2008 7:13:08 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can never be obvious enough.)
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To: Lorianne
Ortega y Gasset explained that the masses would see all the equipment of civilization around them as pieces of an incomprehenisible natural world. GM and Ford are near bankruptcy, the green left is peddling self sufficient organic localism, and peasants root about for a few carrots in the ruins of a once industrial city. And we wonder at all those empty ruins of Rome and Assyria...
8 posted on 07/13/2008 7:15:31 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Lorianne
FArming is hard work..
In Detroit?.. hard work?.. surely you jest..
9 posted on 07/13/2008 7:28:12 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Lorianne
Reminds me of the scene in "Atlas Shrugged" when Hank and Dagny visited the abandoned ruins of John Galt's former employer and the newly rural lands nearby and they found an environment of such degradation that Dagny saw a man pushing a plow. "Atlas Shrugged" nicely foresaw the fall of Detroit.
10 posted on 07/13/2008 7:33:49 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: ClearCase_guy

lol!

is that union?


11 posted on 07/13/2008 7:36:57 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Lorianne

How much is Kwame’s cut?


12 posted on 07/13/2008 7:39:02 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Onelifetogive
Vegetables grow outdoors...

You can grow some crops indoors. Some houses in Detroit already have amazing hydroponic systems! And they are producing a small scale cash crop!

13 posted on 07/13/2008 7:41:25 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Onelifetogive
Exactly. I live on a corner lot and I planted a 8 fruit trees in the parking strip areas about 4 years ago. They're still small, but they do produce fruit. I recently had to go out and pick all the unripe fruit off of them leaving them bare. As it turns out, we've had a ghetto family move into our neighborhood with four or five unsupervised children. They'll try to pick the fruit off the trees and as often as not tear an entire branch off in the process. I hate the little bastards, but their parents don't care, I can't watch my trees 24/7, (those seem to be the hours that the kids are not unsupervised), and it's not worth a physical altercation over, (I've already had verbal ones). At this point I'm hoping they move. Considering the type of people they are I think it's reasonably likely. Until that time I'll probably just have to pick all the fruit off the trees in June.

Kids swiping fruit is nothing new. There's a Russian immigrant family down the block from me and their kids picked a lot of unripe fruit too, but they never did any serious damage to my trees, so I let it go.

14 posted on 07/13/2008 7:43:31 PM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

It would be kind of cool to change Detroit’s name to Starnesville.


15 posted on 07/13/2008 7:43:42 PM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Lorianne
Tour the Fabulous ruins of Detroit
16 posted on 07/13/2008 7:44:19 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Lorianne
From the little I know about community garden ideas such as this, I've heard that the people who participate develop a great sense of pride in these endeavors, and put in a lot of work to make them successful.

The fact that it can be helpful from a food point of view is unmistakeable. There are many people living in cities who are growing whole gardens' worth of vegetables, in 5-gallon buckets in their backyards and on their balconies. "Square-foot gardening," it's called.

Is it a replacement for having successful industries? No. But if there's no industry, it's better than just letting the land revert to scrub wilderness.

17 posted on 07/13/2008 7:48:30 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Lorianne

Vegetables in high crime areas are going to be stolen as soon as they ripen. Hide and watch.


18 posted on 07/13/2008 7:48:53 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: elmer fudd

Hope your trees get big quickly so they cannot damage them or steal all the fruit. Doesn’t look like they were even eating much of what was stolen. A little stealing is good. It means you have a good product


19 posted on 07/13/2008 7:52:40 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Grizzled Bear
Some houses in Detroit already have amazing hydroponic systems!

My wife loves growing herbs (legal stuff - no really.) So I bought her an Aero-Garden for Christmas. It dawned on me that there was no way in the world that the thing was worth what it cost in terms of the rosemary and basil it could grow. I suspect the makers were actually targeting a slightly more lucrative market...

20 posted on 07/13/2008 7:56:15 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can never be obvious enough.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If it takes vacant land and makes it productive, probably a good idea. Making poor people earn their food in a labor of love than just handing out food stamps, great. Saving money on groceries for many and maybe adding more local jobs (in pest control, transporting goods), great.
However, this isn’t going to solve all of Detroit’s problems. What they need are income producing jobs, and that won’t come without a safe environment, which liberals claim can’t come without jobs ...


21 posted on 07/13/2008 8:05:51 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: tbw2
If it takes vacant land and makes it productive, probably a good idea.

Something is better than nothing, so I guess I agree with your statement. However, to use land in what was once a major American city, and to fall back on subsistence-level farming, is to go back in time at least two centuries.

This is what the Progressives consider enlightened policy. Let's all progress -- forward to the year 1800!

22 posted on 07/13/2008 8:13:49 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: GOPJ
At the risk of stereotyping - and I don't particularly care what names or epithets anyone hurls at me - I don't believe the urban residents of Detroit give a rip about tomatoes, lettuce, peppers, and whatever else tends to come from a garden.

I also doubt that many of them do a whole lot of scratch cooking and vegetable preparation.

I'd be willing to bet that McDonalds, KFC, and Taco Bell are their diets of choice.

And given their afrocentric slave-sensitive culture in which today's blacks are being indoctrinated, there ain't no way they're going to be out in a field swinging a hoe in the sun. And you can take that to the bank.

23 posted on 07/13/2008 8:23:28 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Lorianne
turn wasteland into free vegetable gardens

"affordable (and) practical"

Free or affordable, which is it? Since nothing is "free" I'll guess affordable.

24 posted on 07/13/2008 8:31:19 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Osama Obama is a lying sack of s***, communist, mooselimb.)
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To: Lizavetta
One year - many years ago - for the fun of it, I grew some heirloom tomatoes - and yes, they were good. But my cost of production ( seeds, a couple of plants, water, fertilizer, potting soil, planter boxes etc) came to about 50 times what it would have cost to have bought the tomatoes. Maybe more. Maybe a lot more. I'd like to see a cost breakdown for these urban farms.
25 posted on 07/13/2008 8:43:17 PM PDT by GOPJ (When your ideology makes no sense it costs more to sell. Freeper ArmstedFragg)
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To: GOPJ

Thanks for mentioning “heirloom tomatoes”...I’d seen that term in
once of the seed catalogs (Burpees, IIRC)...and had no clue what it meant.

Thanks because the mention motivated me to track down the meaning(s)
of the term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_tomato


26 posted on 07/13/2008 8:53:14 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Lizavetta
And given their afrocentric slave-sensitive culture in which today's blacks are being indoctrinated, there ain't no way they're going to be out in a field swinging a hoe in the sun. And you can take that to the bank.

You know you may closer than you suspect. In the first half of the 1800 there was a slave revolt in what is now Haiti. The (negro) chased out and/or killed that whites, slave owners or no. Afterwards, there was this unspoken understanding that they -- the black Haitians -- were never, ever going to work in those fields no more. Oh, maybe a little vegetable garden around the house but may be not even that. Cheeze, this was the tropics! That's plenty of wild food everywhere.

And, it is said, that attitude is one of the main reasons Haiti never developed. They weren't gonna be "slaves", to anything, no more.

27 posted on 07/13/2008 9:01:39 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Lorianne
"People are only taking what they need, because they know it's for everybody"

Why is the neighborhood a dump and the City in the red? Give it time...the have-nots will raid (or in Detroit fashion -burn) the pantry.

28 posted on 07/13/2008 9:07:22 PM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: GOPJ
But my cost of production ( seeds, a couple of plants, water, fertilizer, potting soil, planter boxes etc) came to about 50 times what it would have cost to have bought the tomatoes.

The planter boxes were a one time cost - and I might add unnecessary. Tomatoes do just fine in the ground. The seeds you can recoup from this years crop. So your cost this year would be water, a bag or two of compost, a good deep soak once a week, and that's about it. And when tomato vines get going, THEY GET GOING. You've got a lot of tomatoes. And let's not get started on zucchinis.

Who wants to hoe and water and weed and pick when you can just cash your welfare check and go shopping?

29 posted on 07/13/2008 9:08:20 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Graybeard58

Marxist magic: It costs someone, but not everyone...


30 posted on 07/13/2008 9:09:08 PM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: VOA

From MoTown to Mulch Ground! Maybe those collard greens will do a nice job of camoflauge for the rows of hemp crops.
Somehow the liberal pols in Michigan will find a way to tax the urban grown produce.
Color me cynical on the grand idea.


31 posted on 07/13/2008 9:15:49 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Lorianne

http://www.urbanfarming.org/


32 posted on 07/13/2008 9:21:25 PM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: Lorianne

I am just thinking that an inner city plot of land is going to be exposed to a bunch of pollution. Everything from lead paint and asbestos when the building was demolished to whatever chemicals was dumped there in 1890 when the area may of been a good rural area just outside the city to dump industrial chemicals.


33 posted on 07/13/2008 10:13:53 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: Lorianne

I can’t imagine the liberal bums in Michigan hoeing ground, planting seed and harvesting a crop, unless it’s stealing the work of your neighbor.

Michigan is infested with shysters, thieving bureaucrats and crooked quacks who have made an industry of landing SS disability and workmen’s comp for fat, liberal slobs. That’s one of two things Michigan’s liberals will work for. The other is mentioned in the first paragraph,


34 posted on 07/14/2008 5:52:14 AM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: Onelifetogive

I have one of those bought about 2 years ago. The best, most reasonable crop is salad greens/lettuce. No, you don’t actually save a lot, but your lettuce is fresh for the picking, you get enough for 3-4 dinner salads (mixed w/other produce, of course) every couple of days after about a month and this continues for 4 months. It is best in winter, as hot weather makes lettuce quite leggy and it will bolt quickly if you don’t keep it cut back by harvesting the large outer leaves and letting the small inner ones continue to grow. It costs $20/crop and the electrical useage is minimal. You can cut the per crop cost by investing in the kit of pods that allows you to use your own seeds (I am thinking about this).You also save the trip to the store and if you use Green Bags, your harvest can be kept for a few weeks before use. Herbs, tomatoes and snow peas were a waste of time: teeny harvest and flavor was lacking, except for the basil and cilantro. Some crops need dirt to actually develop quantity and taste.

As for the other herb crop, I am a child of the Sixties and there is no way the AeroGarden can accomodate a tap root and even a two foot high plant. Maybe the largest one could grow something like that, but that is a heavy investment. I suppose people might try to hack the device for that purpose, but I remember seeing some indoor growing operations back in the day and they take a relatively larger amount of space, water, pumps and light.


35 posted on 07/14/2008 6:33:43 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Capitalism is what happens when governments get out of the way.)
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To: grellis

...after decades of piling up fertilizer, the mayor’s scandal has put Detroit over the top...


36 posted on 07/14/2008 10:47:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...

If you would like to be added or dropped from the Michigan ping list, please freepmail me.


37 posted on 07/14/2008 6:19:10 PM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: Lizavetta
The adults? You're 100% right. The kids can be a very different story, though.

This summer my two younger boys and I are taking part in a local garden club. Between 20 and 30 kids, 75% of whom are minority, and a handful of adults, all of them white. The kids really like working in the garden, and they all love to eat the fresh fruits and veggies. I understand why, I think. When I was a kid, candy was a rare (and therefore special) treat, and fast food was unheard of. The kids in the gaden club, the opposite is true for them. They seem to get such a kick out of how different everything tastes from what they are used to eating.

Our neighborhood community police officer has to do a drive-by of the garden four or five times a night. It's completely open, and the park in which it resides is also home to a half-court. Early in spring, some idiots emptied all of the park's garbage cans into the outdoor beds (which had't been planted yet) and knifed a half dozen slashes in our treasured hoop house. Bastards.

38 posted on 07/14/2008 6:34:12 PM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: grellis; Lorianne
grellis, thanks for the ping.

Lorianne, this has been done for many years in Detroit. A couple of empty lots in my Dad's ‘hood have legal plants growing on them. Some others look like there is an urban forest on them.

I've been working on his house, while he's in the hospital, there has been a raccoon and a possum in his backyard this month.

39 posted on 07/14/2008 6:40:19 PM PDT by Springman
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To: Lorianne

I find it amazing that the BBC would run a story talking about gardening. What’s next? I guess I should start a non profit (yeah right!) charity that collects money to distribute clotheslines. Then maybe the BBC will run a story about a new fangled idea to hant clothes outside to dry them!


40 posted on 07/15/2008 7:27:23 AM PDT by CSM (Hey if a small tax increase didn't work, a bigger tax increase should not work even BETTER!)
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