Posted on 07/14/2008 10:27:33 AM PDT by NewMediaJournal
While to some folks the idea of dual citizenship might seem benign, it can greatly effect a person’s emotional attachment and identification with this country. Emotional attachment and identification with a country contributes greatly to a person’s willingness to make sacrifices and stand in harms way to defend our home, values and ideals. Still, dual citizenship has become acceptable because instead of promoting assimilation, diversity has become the mantra of our public institutions, undermining what traditionally binds us together; the shared values and political beliefs that make us one people… This notion and the idea that there are no consequences for those whose allegiance to this country might be compromised.
Between l994 and 2002, over 90% of the immigrants to this country were dual citizens. When an immigrant to this country becomes a citizen yet continues to actively participate politically in the home country, this clearly represents a conflict of interest. Yet, the US does not regulate whether dual citizens vote, serve, or fight for a foreign government. As a result, countries like Mexico encourage its nationals living in the US to vote absentee in their elections. As a matter of fact, candidates for office in Mexico actually campaign in the United States as if these nationals still lived in their country. Certain Israeli political parties (Orthodox-Haredi mainly) regularly airlift their followers to Israel to vote. Dominicans actually voted at polling booths set up in New York. This list goes on. It is well known that political participation fosters and reflects an emotional bond with a country. How can an immigrant express patriotism and vote in our elections through an American frame of reference when there is no expectation of true allegiance to the home team?
There are even more compelling examples of how dual citizens exhibit conflict of interest.
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“How can an immigrant express patriotism and vote in our elections through an American frame of reference when there is no expectation of true allegiance to the home team?”
Can’t be done and Juan Hernandez, McCain’s ‘go to’ immigration guy is a perfect example.
The USA is more than a place to hang your hat, it is allegiance to a set of ideals, a constitution and a set of values which are unique and the best in the world. This should not be diluted with emotional links to any other land.
Dual citizenship is part of the suicidal multicultural mindset which promotes the stupid notion that all cultures are equal and all citizenships are equally valuable.
US citizenship is the most prized and privileged status in the world and should remain exclusive, their are flights leaving daily for those that wish to maintain allegiance to other nations.
1. Not all dual citizens are devious latin american’s trying to mess with our elections.
2. Many dual citizens, the one’s I know personally, are highly skilled tech workers who contribute greatly to the tax base of this country.
3. The U.S. already requires some dual citizens to renounce their old citizenship before becoming U.S. citizens. This is actually quite ineffective, because the other country just ignores the renunciation, and the person is a de facto dual citizen.
Our government does not recognize dual citizenship for those seeking to become American citizens. They are to renounce thier citizenship and allegiance to any foreign power when they take the loyalty oath.
Mexico encourages their dual citizens to vote in both nations.
Your post just made my day FRiend!
It's even worse for me- I'm an American citizen and I don't get any representation in Congress- I live in DC. I don't really want the vote and would be happy with not paying taxes, though.
Give me back my VAT taxes then. Or does “taxation without representation” represent business as usual in Europe?
Nobody forced you to come here, did they?
Not completely true. From the State Department's website:
A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship.
I didn't have to give up Canadian citizenship when I became an American citizen last year.
“US citizenship is the most prized and privileged status in the world and should remain exclusive, their are flights leaving daily for those that wish to maintain allegiance to other nations.”
I agree with this part my all of my heart and soul. In fact, I have promoted this very ideal to my Representatives.
Still, there are valid reasons for dual citizenship. My wife, for example, would lose her retirement if she lost her German citizenship. Trust me, she’s 100% American in her heart, and never wants to go back to Germany. I had to force her to go when her Father was seriously ill. She’s been buggin’ me for years to become a citizen. LOL
^5!!!!!
Answer: They can't.
Actually, the requirement to renounce depends upon the country of origin. For instance, the U.S. has a treaty with Israel that allows Israelis to be dual citizens without renouncing.
Bravo, Amen! Couldn’t have typed it any better myself, and it’s even harder hitting coming from a naturalized citizen. Glad to have you on the “good guy” side my friend!
Dual citizenship is a non-issue. A person can renounce citizenship in the old country, but if the laws in the old country maintain citizenship for the immigrant, the immigrant has dual citizenship and there’s nothing the US can do about it.
The fix lies in getting other countries to change their laws. Good luck doing it.
Under Irish law I'm automatically entitled to Irish citizenship.I've never sworn an oath of allegiance to Ireland.I took advantage of Irish law for two reasons...and only two.1)Carrying an Irish passport in many parts of the world is *much* safer than carrying a US passport and 2)there could well come a day when I might want to live (part time....in retirement) in Europe.I have no special love for Europe (although I do feel a certain pride in my Irish roots) and would never use my Irish citizenship to work against the interests of the US....my home.
I don’t understand why Juan Hernandez is still on McCain’s team - McCain HAS to know he’s a liability. Or he just doesn’t care what those in his party think.
Assuming you were here voluntarily you accepted our rules regrading taxation and voting rights.If one day you become a US citizen the issue of voting will have been resolved.
“Give me back my VAT taxes then. Or does “taxation without representation” represent business as usual in Europe?”
I believe non-residents can avoid the equivalent of VAT in Canada, and in Germany. I think it is also so, for the UK.
The reason for convenient, dual Israeli-American citizenship: In September of 1997, Samuel Sheinbein and his former classmate at the Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School, Aaron Needle, killed Alfredo Tello Jr. and then dismembered and attempted to cremate his body in Aspen Hill, Maryland. When police began to suspect Sheinbein, he fled to New York, and then to Israel with the help of his father, Sol Sheinbein, an attorney who held dual citizenship in the United States and Israel. Once in Israel, Samuel Sheinbein was arrested. Both the American and Israeli governments attempted to have him extradited, but the Israeli Supreme Court forbade it and he was tried later that year in Israel. He is in prison in Israel and will be eligible for parole in five years. Sol Sheinbein is wanted in the U.S. on a misdemeanor charge of hindering or obstructing a police investigation. Israeli Supreme Court’s refusal to extradite Sheinbein has fed anti-Semitism. As the Church Lady used to say, “How conveeeeeenient.”
Nicely put, and I agree with you completely.
Not entirely true.The State Dept,thanks to several SCOTUS decisions over the last 50 years,accepts dual citizenship but certainly doesn't encourage it.As for naturalized citizens renouncing their other citizenship...yes,the citizenship oath does contain a renunciation clause but the courts have ruled that that clause is essentially unenforceable.
“I don’t understand why Juan Hernandez is still on McCain’s team - McCain HAS to know he’s a liability. Or he just doesn’t care what those in his party think.”
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His words, not mine.
“I disagree with what the majority of the American people want.”
John McCain
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1976952/posts?page=79
What? So you’re saying the reason Israelis can have dual citizenship is so that they can run from the U.S. if they break a law? I’m guessing that the treaty for dual citizenship was written long before the case you mention.
--and under Panamanian law John McCain is automatically entitled to Panamanian citizenship.
Nancy Salvato and a lot of freepers say that legisative decisions by foreign governments can make you, McCain, and my kids somehow less patriotic. Amazing how these clowns can care more about foreign law then about US law, and that's supposed to make them more 'American' than you, McCain, and my kids.
Jeesh.
Conveniently, the Dept of Commerce and the those in control
in the Patent office have dual citizenship.
All patents on alternative energy (and room temperature
superconductivity) are deep-sixed, and the info transferred
away from America.
Who cares? Absolutely no one.
And THAT is why we are in this mess. Traitors.
China,Russia,various Middle East countries and perhaps others are no friends of ours and,IMO,we don't want *any* of their citizens living here or having US citizenship.
If I was forced,under either US law or Irish law,to choose one citizenship and officially renounce the other I'd keep my US citizenship without a moment's hesitation.
I wasn't able to find that particular quote in the article. In any case, that doesn't sound like the sort of thing you want to hear from a presidential candidate in the land of 'We the people.'
Thank you, don’t know how I did that...try this.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/07/60minutes/main3917681_page2.shtml
Great, you are on my list of citizens that should be here! (it is a big list)I love people who come here and embrace the US first as citizens of the USA or even as permanent residents. I Have known a few green card holders who would give their life for the US but they can’t pass the test or meet all the requirements to become citizens. Hurray for them, and Hurray for you. I was born here, but feel that far too many who were born in the USA are traitors who need to be outed. If they had to live in the old Soviet Union for instance, they would kiss the ground of the US and be proud to be here, but they take their freedom for granted and think, somehow, that if we go socialist(read that as communist)we will all retain our freedom. Pipedream, we won’t and many of them will be the first thrown under the bus.
His statement that "Failure will lead to chaos, withdrawal will lead to chaos" [Iraq withdraw] is correct. What he doesn't seem to understand is that the opposite is true in the case of securing our borders. On this he is on the side 'of the majority of Americans' - the same Socialist, anti-Americans on the Left.
There is a third solution for you. Get out of the US or stop doing business with us. Many US citizens pay taxes to GB and other countries because of business interest. If you don't like the rules, don't play the game. Period.
If everyone born in America had to live in any other country for 1 year and we could program their brain that they will not be able to come back, when they finally returned they would never ever complain and whine about USA.
With all the problems and challenges we have, the United States is the greatest country god gave man and the last best hope of mankind on earth especially as Europe becomes morally bankrupt and Islamicized.
I have a huge advantage over those born here, I grew up in a socialist third world cesspool : India and never forget my experience of growing up there. I have seen first hand the disaster socialism brings to people and am often in a position where I have to defend America to the so called home grown Americans here in Massachusetts.
To dilute US citizenship is a travesty and an insult to the millions that have given their life so we can enjoy this paradise on earth.
Freedom is an anomaly if you look at history long term and what we have here is so precious which is why tyrants across the world want to take us down because we are the only ones who will defend our way of life. It is unbelievable to me that someone can live here and trash what we stand for, look around you : where else on earth would you want to live folks. This is the pinnacle of human civilization so far. Why would you want any other passport if you have the US passport ?
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If you're talking feelings here then you're free to "want" yourself silly while the rest of us decide to make sense out of things. Us guys are deciding to allow foreigners to come over here and sell us things we need to lead the free world --stuff like coffee beans and molybdenum ore. If fact, if Ireland goes like Panama and refuses to recognize your "renouncement", I'm willing to let you stay in the US even if you've got a dual citizenship that's recognized elsewhere, although I may be getting soft in my old age...
Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America:
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
--but you have no problem with forgetting it when it applies to US tourists in the UK who pay taxes there?
Selective memory; never leave home without it!
My daughters now 18 and 19 were born of a Brasilian mom at Mercy Hospital in Coconut Grove Miami....the mom was my first wife and was legal....cost me about 7500 in legal fees...nasty bunch INS back then.
The girls had both Brasilian and US passports and still qualify for the Brasil passports but they have lived here since birth and have only gone the Rio and Sao Paulo to visit kin a few times.
They consider themselves Gringas but I can’t deny it’s nice to have a foreign passport when you can get one.
I’ve had a few myself over the years for traveling “light”...lol...used to be you could buy one for a fat bank deposit.
Can you name me a single country (except for a handful of soon-to-be-living-under-Sharia-Law European nations) which allows non-citizen residents to vote in elections?
You're my new favorite freeper. Congratulations.
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