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Nisshinbo creates platinum-free carbon catalyst for fuel cells.
Monday, July 14, 2008 ^ | Monday, July 14, 2008 | ?

Posted on 07/16/2008 10:17:07 AM PDT by DGHoodini

Nisshinbo Industries Inc. (TSE:3105) has worked with the Tokyo Institute of Technology to develop the technology to use carbon instead of expensive platinum as the electrode catalyst for fuel cells.

The company hopes to have a practical version of the new catalyst ready in fiscal 2009, and will start by commercializing a product for the electrodes of residential fuel cells. Later, it will develop and commercialize a version for automotive fuel cells.

(Excerpt) Read more at tradingmarkets.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: advance; energy; fuelcell; hitech; platinum; power
This could be big.
1 posted on 07/16/2008 10:17:07 AM PDT by DGHoodini
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To: DGHoodini

Very interesting.


2 posted on 07/16/2008 10:20:19 AM PDT by Mechanicos
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To: DGHoodini
In 5 to 10 years we'll have so many proven technologies to choose from we won't know what to do.

At least, when you read all these stories that's what they're telling us..

3 posted on 07/16/2008 10:20:23 AM PDT by ryan71 (Typical bitter white gun toter)
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To: DGHoodini
The company hopes to have a practical version of the new catalyst ready in fiscal 2009

In other words, this is vaporware. Next.

4 posted on 07/16/2008 10:22:55 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: DGHoodini

Indeed! Hugh and Series, too!

All kidding aside, if this pans out it just changed the whole energy equation.


5 posted on 07/16/2008 10:25:14 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: DGHoodini

This years jack-up of oil results in could move forward by years technology that will cause Saudi Arabia’s biggest export to be sand.


6 posted on 07/16/2008 10:31:53 AM PDT by AU72
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To: DGHoodini

Oh yes, now, as the article says, all that’s left is to develop the non-existent hydrogen fueling infrastructure.


7 posted on 07/16/2008 10:32:47 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: null and void

With the Platinum being a major part of the higher cost of a fuel cell vehicle, it still would surprise me, if using ten times more carbon in the catalyst, would come close to the 1/10th of the cost that using platinum does. I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure carbon is a cheap and plentiful substance.


8 posted on 07/16/2008 10:36:00 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: Old Professer

Everybody has hydrogen production capability. It’s called a battery, two electordes, and water.


9 posted on 07/16/2008 10:38:12 AM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: Old Professer

“hydrogen fueling infrastructure’

And it’s got be safe enuff so that doofusses like dynachrome won’t blow themselves and the neighborhood to bits!

(I’ve worked with hydrogen. I don’t like.)


10 posted on 07/16/2008 10:40:39 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right)
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To: Lancer_N3502A

ping


11 posted on 07/16/2008 10:41:25 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: DGHoodini

But yoy still have to split the H from the O2 and that takes energy.


12 posted on 07/16/2008 10:42:23 AM PDT by fella ("...He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: Old Professer

It begins with the first station, in the first pilot city.
And that has allready happened..in a couple of cities.
Sure you have yto have a supporting infrastructure, but then even horse driven cabs and the Overland and pony express, needed to build out their support structure.

There will be pilot cities, and the fuel cell cars will be sold there, then there will be highway corridors between the pilot cities...then there will be more cities and more corridors with hydrogen refilling stations...just the same way the original gas station networks were built up, only much, much faster.


13 posted on 07/16/2008 10:43:48 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: fella

That’s what nuclear reactors are for. The new “pebble” reactors, are smaller, cheaper and faster to build, will use standard parts and a boilerplate design, so that any employee can go from one site to the next, and not have to re-learn everything,about the new plant, the way the ones we have now are, as they were all “custom built” and have many more faiilure points than the newer safer “pebble” reactors.


14 posted on 07/16/2008 10:48:47 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: DGHoodini
This could be big.

Or not. Carbon has been used for a long time in electrode stacks. It's reducing the amount of expensive rare catalytic metals like platinum that's important and would bring these things into the affordable range.

There is a lot of research going on in this area and several different methods for reducing cost and improving electrode efficiency such as carbon nano tubes.

Direct methanol fuel cells will probably be the first fuel cells you see in autos because of their high power output- if they can get the cost of the fuel cell down.

15 posted on 07/16/2008 10:52:32 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: DGHoodini

I agree that nuclear is the way to go. Proven technology for sixty years. Once we have cheap and plentiful electricity again, we can free up natural gas for transportation fuel which is now being burned in powerplants, and petroleum for the petrochemical industry.


16 posted on 07/16/2008 10:55:36 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: AU72

The oil producing nations may be raking it in now, but that goose they’re savoring now..is their proverbial golden egg laying gander.


17 posted on 07/16/2008 10:59:30 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: CyberSpartacus
"Everybody has hydrogen production capability. It’s called a battery, two electordes, and water."

Except it isn't cost effective. It takes more energy to make hydrogen than the energy produced by using that hydrogen in a fuel cell.

Methanol fuel cells are more cost effective because methanol is cheaper to produce.

using regular gasoline in a fuel cell would be even cheaper, but because "fossil" fuels has sulpher in it it poisons the cell eventually.

Why use gas in a fuel cell you say? because the fuel cell converts it into energy many times more efficiently than burning it does, and it does it much cleaner.

Methanol is a better fuel for a fuel cell because it has no sulfur in it.

18 posted on 07/16/2008 11:01:41 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: DGHoodini

I would have guessed 1/100th as much at Pt.

Carbon’s funny stuff. The price goes from about $300/ton to about $35,000,000,000/ton.

(Charcoal to diamond)...


19 posted on 07/16/2008 11:02:52 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: fella
But yoy still have to split the H from the O2 and that takes energy.

Yes, but there is value in converting from a wire tied to a fixed source to portable.

20 posted on 07/16/2008 11:04:54 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: DGHoodini
"The oil producing nations may be raking it in now, but that goose they’re savoring now..is their proverbial golden egg laying gander."

I wouldn't say that. You can bet your last dollar that gasoline will be the most used fuel in an automotive fuel cell. They'll just refine it better to remove all the sulpher so it doesn't poison the cell. Using gasoline in a fuel cell is ok, because it's not being burned,thus producing pollutants like carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, sulfer dioxide etc. They will be just as 'clean' as ethanol or hydrogen.

21 posted on 07/16/2008 11:07:21 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
using regular gasoline in a fuel cell would be even cheaper, but because "fossil" fuels has sulpher in it it poisons the cell eventually.

Sulfur and lead poison Pt catalysts. Do they poison nanosphere carbon catalysts?

22 posted on 07/16/2008 11:07:54 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: SpaceBar
T Boone Pickens Plan is somewhat like that,....cept he would use wind energy...and he has a company Clean Energy to sell Compressed natural Gas for Fleet use...

Orange county California runs the Bus system using CNG....from his source...

Also the Long Beach Harbor has a Fuel Station..

News:

T. Boone Pickens' $2 Billion Bet on Wind Energy

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By Jennifer Yousfi

T. Boone Pickens made his fortune in oil. But now the Dallas oilman and famed former corporate raider is betting $2 billion that he can have the same success with a new source of energy - wind.

Pickens’ Mesa Power LLP yesterday (Thursday) unveiled the first phase of an eventual $10 billion alternative energy project that has the potential to become the world’s largest wind farm.

"You find an oilfield, it peaks and starts declining, and you’ve got to find another one to replace it," Pickens, who once operated one of the largest independent oil-and-gas production companies in the country, said of the deal. "It can drive you crazy. With wind, there’s no decline curve."

Mesa Power will purchase 667 wind turbines from General Electric Co. (GE). Each turbine can produce 1.5 megawatts of electricity. The first phase of the project will produce 1,000 megawatts, enough energy to power 300,000 homes. GE will begin delivering the turbines in 2010, and current plans call for the project to start producing power in 2011.

23 posted on 07/16/2008 11:12:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: null and void
"Carbon’s funny stuff. The price goes from about $300/ton to about $35,000,000,000/ton."

Not likely. The earth is literaly bursting at the seams with the stuff. Coal mining is here to stay. The coal mine in Northern Alberta because of it's purity and low sulpher content is used mainly for making carbon electrodes for smelting plant furnaces and a whole lot of other carbon based products.

24 posted on 07/16/2008 11:12:44 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: neverdem; SunkenCiv

fyi


25 posted on 07/16/2008 11:13:10 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: dynachrome
"(I’ve worked with hydrogen. I don’t like.) " It used to be that the guys who launched weather balloons to monitor weather had no eyebrows- until they switched to helium filled balloons.
26 posted on 07/16/2008 11:17:20 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

T. Boone isn’t heavily invested in uranium mining or reactor fabricators.

He’ll push what’s profitable for himself.


27 posted on 07/16/2008 11:17:56 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: ryan71
Yes.. that is great , but, for most people like you and I .. it all comes down to cost... most people are saying ? " How much is this going to cost me and my family ?
If the Hollywoodtards/environmentalist want people to use green tech, then ? why don't they start some kind of foundation ( With their own money.. not the governments ) to help pay for green vehicles/homes for lower income people.
28 posted on 07/16/2008 11:28:46 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Yeah?

Look bud, I checked the prices before I posted.

Find charcoal at a price significantly different than $300/ton, or premium gem quality natural diamonds at a price significantly different than $6000/carat (2268 carats/pound, 2204 pounds/metric ton - do the math) and get back to me.


29 posted on 07/16/2008 11:29:25 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: fella
It is possible to do that with solar panels....
To bad the market can't build mini nuclear plants ( kind of like on a nuke aircraft carrier ) for small towns to make electricity and for hydrogen production.
30 posted on 07/16/2008 11:41:00 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: ryan71

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In 5 to 10 years we’ll have so many proven technologies to choose from we won’t know what to do.
<<

Nothing cures high prices like high prices.

Fuel cells, however, need “fuel”, and the issue then become price which translates to cost per KWh of fuel cell output.


31 posted on 07/16/2008 11:45:51 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Nathan Zachary
They'll just refine it better to remove all the sulpher so it doesn't poison the cell.

If the carbon catalyst can be made cheap enough, they won't have to. If it would be cheaper to just replace the catalyst and recycle it with each oil change instead of removing the sulfur from the gasoline, then that's another option

32 posted on 07/16/2008 12:01:09 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: SpaceBar
Yes,...isn't that the way capitalism works...?

And how we got to where we are....

33 posted on 07/16/2008 12:12:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

thanks, bfl


34 posted on 07/16/2008 7:50:05 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

“Best Danged Buggy Whip” ping. Thanks Ernest.


35 posted on 07/16/2008 10:12:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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