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Posted on 07/16/2008 3:37:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Republican presidential candidate John McCain defended his stance on comprehensive immigration reform Tuesday and said that, if elected to the White House in November, he will make the U.S. borders secure within a short period of time.
Speaking on CBS’ “Early Show,” McCain said Americans want the confidence that its borders be secured first before supporting a humane and compassionate approach to temporary worker programs and comprehensive immigration reform.
“We are moving forward right now with securing our borders,” McCain said.
When asked if the daunting task could be accomplished within a two-year period, McCain assured, “It will be secure in a very relatively short period of time.”
McCain, the senator from the border state of Arizona, has been criticized recently for flip-flopping on comprehensive immigration reform measures he once championed. He tried twice before to push a reform bill he sponsored through Congress, but now as the GOP candidate for president admits he would not vote immigration reform if it came up today.
Once the borders are secure, McCain said, the issue can be revisited.
“The point is not that I would vote or not vote for it, the point is it failed twice,” McCain said. “Senator Kennedy and I – [along with] a group of senators – brought it up twice, and it failed twice. The American people didn’t support it, and I still believe that we reflect the views of the majority.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
Not answering the question is indicative of his true feelings on it, and it also lends credence to the potential that he would most likely proceed with amnesty on the pretext that "we're doing something about securing the borders."
Anyone that falls for this deserves him and the beliefs he will betray.
Pretty words. I can only hope that he means it. I know for sure that the ObamaBozo isn't even attempting to suggest a secure border.
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The humane approach I would accept would be to put AC on the buses taking them back. And pillows on the cots in Sheriff Joe's tent cities, where the ones who object are held pending trial. McCain doesn't fool me a bit; he will pretend to secure the border as a prelude to allowing every single illegal who is here already to stay permanently. The man just got through speaking to La Raza, a radical Mexican revanchist movement, for God's sake! And his message to them was, "trust me, look at my record". I do trust him, to screw us.
Our best bet if McCain is elected is to hope (and pray) that enough conservatives with cojones are in the congress to defeat McCain's plans. It will help if the remaining few conservatives in America rise up in protest like we did last year, when he brings this crap back.
The only ‘short period of time’ it’s going to be is the time it takes McCain to say he can’t get it done.
Juan can say all the good things he can think of about Barry, and this the best thing I have heard said about Barry, but I still ain't voting for either one of these two treacherous Senators.
What guarantee do we have that McCain won’t switch on us (if/when conservatives hold his feet to the fire) and go Democrat? He’s seriously toyed with the idea before. If he sees his own party fighting against him and succeeding, what promises do we have he won’t bail and go full bore Democrat? Dems and media would crap themselves loving it.
So true border security will correlate directly with the political courage of guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
We're so screwed.
“When has Senator Obama ever taken a stand on anything?!”
Both he and McCain have taken a stand on AMNESTY for illegal aliens. And BOTH are on the wrong side of the non-existent fence.
Please.Step away from the world of non reality. This is a really sad thing.
McCain is as big of loser liberal as Obama is.
I feel bad for those that choose to ignore things like the McCain praise today for Barry. Why step up and believe a word he says? Why should you fight when McCain fights against you?Do you folks like abuse? What is it?
Totally abusive unreality.
One of the central aspects of getting the border with Mexico under control, has always been the little noticed concept of a more realistic expedited process for people crossing into the United States legally.
So when McCain says he plans to get the border under control. He means it. You think he means we’ll get those numbers down where they should be. He thinks, we’ll get those numbers up there where they should be. And you’ll both be accomodated.
John will cut illegal entries significantly.
John will also increase leagal crossings exponentially.
The outcome will be that instead of the Mexican immigrants crossing the border illegaly, they will cross over legally.
There! It’s fixed. This nation will be swamped by the same poor, under education, unable to speak read or write English people, who cannot support themselves.
Perfecto!
And when amnesty takes place, upwards of 100 million naturalizations will take place in about a decade.
Viva Astlan...
“The American people didn’t support it, and I still believe that we reflect the views of the majority.”
Is that a typo, shoddy journalism, or typical McCain?
Yes, he thinks we're that stupid.
“The American people didn’t support it, and I still believe that we reflect the views of the majority.”
Huh???
Isn’t that Habib Bundy?
I doubt he’ll formally join the Dems, but if he is thwarted by Republicans on an issue like this, he will punish conservatives by joining with libs on the budget and big social programs. He will also feel more free to screw us on judges. He is a maverick, all right. Now, I am one, too.
IIRC, the law says it’s the Secretary of Homeland Security who has to certify the border is sufficiently secure.
McCain has not changed his stance on amensty. Securing the border was part of McCain-Kennedy. There were various triggers in the bill that linked amnesty and guest worker programs to security on the border. An amnesty will destroy this country with the stroke of a pen. Obama and McCain agree on amnesty.
I don’t trust McCain at all. See my tag line.
Obama, like McCain, signed the 2006 Secure Fence Act, which passed the Senate 80-19.
From Obama's website:
Create Secure Borders:
Obama wants to preserve the integrity of our borders. He supports additional personnel, infrastructure and technology on the border and at our ports of entry.
Another amnesty will never be supported, it was already tried in 1986 and 6 more times after that and all we got for the trouble was 20 million additional illegals with no end in sight. You could put a concrete wall around the USA and if they are forever passing amnesties illegals will keep finding ways in no matter what it takes. In fact almost half of the current illegal aliens are visa overstays.
And the better than half dozen "guest worker" programs we already have aren't compassionate enough? Farmers currently can bring in as many legal workers as they require so why do need more?
Either mccain is an airhead who doesn't know the law or he thinks we're a bunch of idiots.
He needs a brain scan.
Libtards may buy this but I don’t. McCain is a big into giving away America as Bush is.
The word “Humane” bothers me. I fear what it might mean to McCain.
It means that we will be setting up free food and drink stands along the border and instruction sheets on how to rip off the US taxpayers an advise the illegal aliens of their rights to welfare and to return to their homeland if they s choose. He is Loony Tunes, a mean Mr. Magoo.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two negative ads recently launched by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who has spent more on advertising than any other candidate, either misrepresent his rival's records or include distortions, according to a CNN analysis of the commercials.
The ads come as the Republican air war has erupted into a series of attacks ads, just days before the Iowa caucuses on January 3, Wyoming caucuses on January 5, and the New Hampshire primary on January 8.
In one Romney television ad running in New Hampshire, the announcer calls rival Sen. John McCain "an honorable man" then goes on to ask "but is he the right Republican for the future?"
"McCain pushed to let every illegal immigrant stay here permanently..." the announcer charges. "Even voted to allow illegals to collect Social Security." Watch Romney's ad attacking McCain »
But the ad distorts the position of the Arizona Republican, who has narrowed Romney's lead in New Hampshire. McCain's compromise legislation introduced last summer, which was backed by President Bush, would have required illegal immigrants to return to their home countries and pay a fine for breaking the law before applying for legal status.
McCain also voted to allow illegals to receive past Social Security benefits only after obtaining legal status.
Romney, for his part, ordered a police crackdown on illegal immigrants two weeks before he left the job of governor of Massachusetts....
The link for the above is: HERE.
Consistently, there are two problems. First the actual nature of the proposed bipartisan legislation is changed to make it an out and out amnesty bill. The second problem is that something will be done. The proposed legislation, no doubt, was better than what will be passed after the new Congress convenes. There is no alternative. Even Limbaugh, who touted the idea this was an amnesty bill, when questioned by a listener as to how he would deport 12-20 million people, answered he did not have a plan.
" ... As president, I [McCain] will have the border state governors certify that those borders are secure. ..."
How about trying the Arizona, Oklahoma, and Georgia approach nationally? It's amazing as Eisenhower proved in the 1950s what a little enforcement will do as it seems to be working in getting the illegals to leave those states.
I would remind you President Reagan asked for and received a bill that really was an amnesty bill and 3.5 million plus illegals where ipso factor made legal.
Last time I was in Arizona there seemed no shortage of Hispanics.
I hope you are not forgetting that 40% of all illegals entered the country legally. They were students, shoppers or had visas. They overstayed.
Shutting down the southern border will help, but will not solve the problem.
Well no not really, the democrats led by Chucky Schumer pushed amnesty for what supposed to be only 1 million in the 1980s and we all know the result, read my post #26. So why would anyone want to grant another amnesty that would be 20 times bigger?
You presumably have not read the bill that Senator McCain, Senator Kennedy and President Bush proposed. It was not a simple amnesty bill even though many, including Limbaugh, have characterized it as such.
Again, this argument is moot because something will be done after the new Congress convenes. Congress is always more courageous right after an election than right before an election.
I’m not sure of that 40% number being legal illegals.
Estimates from just a couple of years ago were that 5,000-8,000 illegals were flooding across the border, NIGHTLY.
That totals some 1.8 to 3 million PER YEAR since 2001.
And that totals some 13 to 21 million of illegals entering during the Bush 2 Administration.
You presumably presume I didn't read the bill, I did and it was amnesty. Learning English and paying a fine, give me a break, those would have been ignored faster than you could say boo as they pushed the visas through. It was filled with loopholes for almost every illegal who could claim hardship.
If you're a conservative you should never support another amnesty, it would destroy conservatism for good and turn us into the biggest socialist welfare state the world has ever seen.
I hate to say it but McPain still doesn’t get it and is clearly chomping at the bit to shove Shamnesty down our throats.
He can’t even contain his enthusiasm for destroying the cultural fabric of this country.
And he’s flipin proud of himself for it.
“We are moving forward right now with securing our borders,” McCain said.
was really more like We are moving forward right now with tight security to shift our borders (down to Guatemala).
You still have not read it. The illegals would have been required to return to their home countries and then pay the fine before they applied to enter the US of A.
It’s been a while since I read the fence bill, so I might be fuzzy on that point. Still, McCain’s quote indicates he intends to do some strong arm tactics to get the answers he wants, regardless of the facts on the ground.
On the other hand, we have Obama.
Crap.
The Z visas did not require them to return home, they could apply for it in the good old USA. It did nothing whatsoever about the continuing abuse of the 14th Amendment, allowed them to bring in their family members, would have forgiven their tax debts, and gave them Social Security. Not a bad deal for those whose first act on American soil was to commit a crime.
Also, remember, we use the word “illegal” and assume there is a crime; there may be, but deportation is a civil matter and is dealt with in civil courts. Occasionally, an illegal is incarcerated prior being deported but usually for some legal cause other than simply being in the US.
This is what lost the measure alot of support among well-meaning republican congressmen.
Another amnesty will be as vigorously opposed as the last one and most likely will go nowhere. I think even mccain is admitting how difficult it's going to be but I expect him to keep trying anyway because that's what liberal democrats do.
Yeah right!
We are now expected to believe this guy(?).
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