I keep marveling at those 13% of "conservatives" who plan to actually vote for Obama.
Posted on 07/16/2008 10:39:35 PM PDT by FocusNexus
Despite worsening economic conditions and a news backdrop that supposedly favors Democrats, presumed Republican standard-bearer John McCain remains only 3 points behind rival Barack Obama in the latest IBD/TIPP Poll.
But the poll also shows McCain isn't pulling as well as expected from the independents and moderates to whom his "maverick" reputation was thought to appeal. He also has yet to close the sale with his party's conservative base.
Compared with the 78% support that McCain has with Republicans in general, conservatives back him by 67%, with 17% still undecided. Obama polls 13% among conservatives.
In sharp contrast, liberals favor Obama by 85%-7% , with just 4% of them undecided.
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I keep marveling at those 13% of "conservatives" who plan to actually vote for Obama.
An excellent post. Very informative.
I don't believe those are really conservatives .
In other news, avowed traitors favor Obambi, 100% - Zero.
Implicit traitors (not quite openly boasting of the fact) also favor Obambi, 100% to Zero.
I guess I can understand a conservative not voting for McCain...sit at home or vote for Barr or something.
But how could you vote FOR Obama and still call yourself a conservative? Are some people so mad they will vote FOR Obama just to stick it to the GOP and American public?
p.s. For any liberal lurkers who have trouble with logic or set theory, I assert that all traitors favor Obama. That does not imply that all Obama supporters are traitors...... although there is some overlap.
See this article, posted by pissant:
I’m a lifelong conservative activist and I’m backing Barack Obama (by Larry Hunter)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2046715/posts
“I’m a lifelong Republican - a supply-side conservative. I worked in the Reagan White House. I was the chief economist at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for five years. In 1994, I helped write the Republican Contract with America. I served on Bob Dole’s presidential campaign team and was chief economist for Jack Kemp’s Empower America.
This November, I’m voting for Barack Obama. “
That's what he gets for stabbing his own in the back.
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“In other news, avowed traitors favor Obambi, 100% - Zero.”
And all enemies of America, including terrorists, favor B. Hussein 100% to zero.
Well, some folks are mavericks. Case in point: John McCain.
But how could you vote FOR Obama and still call yourself a conservative?
I would not vote for Obama, no matter how pissed off I was at McCain and the other statists in the Republican Party. Outright voting for Obama is just plain wrong.
You and other anti-McCain activist should read and ponder Obama’s own words. Read Obama’s speech and the thread:
Obama Remarks On Confronting Terrorist Threats (TRANSCRIPT — “must read”)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2046488/posts
Obama wants to destroy our nuclear arsenal, disarm unilaterally, and AFTER terrorists attack us with WMD, killing untold thousands of innocents, he will trace back the source, but he will NOT preempt terrorist attacks, by killing the terrorists, BEFORE they can come and attack us.
Go ahead, stay home, vote third party and you will be responsible for Obama’s destruction of the country.
There is no way 13% of conservatives will vote for Obama. This is either posturing, or people deliberately misleading the pollster on their politics.
The only way independents will vote Obama is if the GOP and McCain sit on their hands and don't aggressively attack him. He has so many vast negatives that shedding any light on them will push most independents into voting GOP.
As for the conservatives, they will come around. I've said it before - the bottom line is this election is Star Wars with Obama as the Death Star.
General Tagge: But that's impossible. How will McCain maintain control without the conservative policies?
Governor Tarkin: Fear will keep the local constituencies in line. Fear of this Obama.
Obama most assuredly WANTS to change (damage) America more. The problem is that McCain has a solid history of actually doing the damage while Obama is mostly an ineffective talker.
Some will take that as a reason to actually vote for Obama. I would never vote for Obama but I won’t vote for McCain either.
Go ahead. Vote McCain. The rest of us know who to go after when Juan's amnesty for illegals (backed by Lindsey Graham, Ted Kennedy, and the rest of the Democrats) becomes law.
The only thing that could potentially harm this country is an apathetic electorate that is doing nothing while it sinks into the quicksand of statism. Voting for either McCain or Obama does nothing to reverse this slide.
“Obama is mostly an ineffective talker.”
Don’t kid yourself. Obama may be that, but he has some powerful interests behind him, may even be foreign interests — he is just a figure head.
Didn’t you notice how he defeated the “unbeatable” Clinton machinery? Aren’t you noticing the huge amount of money that is pouring into his campaign? Aren’t you wondering about all that?
“Go ahead, stay home, vote third party and you will be responsible for Obama’s destruction of the country.”
Obama/Osama is not capable of the destruction of this country any more than Clinton or Carter was... Sometimes things have to bottom out.
I think Iraq has much to do with conservatives voting for someone who will simply end Bush’s war.
“The rest of us know who to go after “
Is that a threat? Are you “going to go after” those who dare to vote for McCain, instead of Obama? Are you going to track them down and “go after them”? Just exactly what do you mean by that? Are you threatening physical violence?
“Maverick’ McCain Loses Middle As Conservatives Also Hold Back (IBD Poll)”
You mean screwing your base to endear yourself to the squishy middle does NOTHING but cause you to lose both?
Wow, who knew?
“You and other anti-McCain activist should read and ponder Obama’s own words. Read Obama’s speech and the thread”
Actually I’d rather hear McCain telling me why I should vote for HIM, rather than hear Obama saying why I should vote for McCain.
No one who loves America can vote to capitulate to islamofacist in order to “end Bush’s War.” Retarded.
btw How can McCain be only 3% behind(like Gallup and Rasmussen) and yet have such horrible internals?
Makes no sense.
Your drama queen posturing is extremely unbecoming.
Huh? You are way too paranoid (or possibly high on something) if you think I give a damn about coming after you in person.
So, no, I am not threatening physical, mental, emotional, psychological, spiritual, or any other form violence. No, you will not be waterboarded, or forced to listen to Michelle Obama droning on about how she's not proud of the United States, or exposed to Helen Thomas in person, or any number of other horrid things.
fwiw, 15% of conservatives actually voted for Kerry in 2004 so Obama is actually behind his pace.
We will simply know who to blame when Juanitos’ “new citizens” kill and/or maim our family members.
And yet they will still be "God's children."
With Osama winning indys 42 to 28 according to the poll, I wonder how McCain is within 3 points in this poll. The sampling of Republicans must be fairly high I guess.
Which will be a lot more Americans than will be killed by terrorists during the same time period. I am more afraid of the actual ongoing invasion of my Country by tens of millions of foreigners than I am of a theoretical attack by a small number of "terrorists".
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Sorry, but Obama no more beat the Clinton machine than did Republicans nominate McCain. And it’s not over yet. That machine might still pull off a coup at the convention.
Obama talks, but accomplishes nothing and because he will be so radical, the GOP will oppose him.
McCain, otoh, sounds like a moderate but has a history of garnering liberal support for his initiatives and the pubbies fall in line (unless we threaten a march on DC with pitchforks). McCain, with GOP support and the blessing of half of the GOP rank and file will actually do more damage than Obama could ever hope to do.
Look at what happened to socialized medicine when the clintons tried to hammer it through. It got trampled. What happened when Bush wanted to enact just part of her plan — half of the rank and file praised Bush just because it was a pubbie initiative.
Bush’s liberal (or just plain bone-headed) moves tore the right apart. McCain will destroy what’s left of it.
I won’t vote for Obama, but I will not be guilted, shamed, or scared into voting for McCain.
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
I suspect those 13% are actually Bob Barr supporters. I would like to see the questions asked, and the order in which they were asked. If the given answers were only McCain or Obama, I can see where there would be confusion.
I can also see a scenario where those 13% don’t know the meaning of the word “Conservative”, thanks to our educational system.
Or maybe a combination of the two.
“Go ahead, stay home, vote third party and you will be responsible for Obama’s destruction of the country.”
If I stay home or vote for “none of the above” it will be the Republican Party’s fault. I had no choice in choosing the candidate of their party.
Place your guilt trip on the RINOs, not the conservative voter.
How many of those are blacks who will vote for Obama simply because he is black?
Wilder, ring a bell?
Check Obamas mental ability.
If you vote for ‘bama you aren’t a conservative. Period. Maybe those people need to google “conservative” to find out that it doesn’t mean “marxist”.
“Go ahead, stay home, vote third party and you will be responsible for Obama’s destruction of the country.”
If McManiac wins, with his platform unchallenged by Conservatives, will you be responsible for his damage?
Your efforts would be better utilized in helping to force him to make public promises that uphold and strengthen Conservative values now, before the convention, rather than attacking other Conservatives.
There are not many of those, for sure.
who have trouble with logic or set theory
< Liberal lurker>
"Logic or set theory? What's that?"
< /Liberal lurker>
McCain is a Role Model. I’m a maverick in the image of our fearless leader.
Obama polls 13% among conservatives??
The reputation comes from his history of treating his teammates with contempt. Look what he said after he dumped Phil Gramm, a long-time McCain loyalist:
Reporter: "Is there a place for Gramm in a future McCain administration?"
McCain: "Maybe ambassador to Belarus....if Minsk will accept him." (smirk)
The man has zero class. He's the ball player who plays the game competently, but sits in the dugout whining about his fellow teammates, and then wonders why he's isn't quickly accepted.
It is the exact opposite. If you do that, you only solidify support for Obama among those who have doubts about Obama. This is not speculation, it was proven in the two House special elections in which the GOP candidates lost because they ran against Obama as a surrogate and their whole campaign was to attack Obama(or his wife).
Not that I expect you to change. As McCain tries to build bridges to the voters, you will be burning those bridges faster than McCain can build them.
The poll numbers themselves prove that the poll is flawed.
First - who gets to decide if a prospective voter is a “conservative”? Most polls I know of rely on the person being polled to self-identify as liberal, conservative, independent, moderate, Republican, Democrat, etc..
Second, further doubt comes about when someone self-identifies as a conservative, yet says they are voting for Obama. That right there should be a dead giveaway that there is nothing conservative about them. Obama stands for everything that is diametrically opposed to conservatism.
Third - anyone who is truly conservative should have a very hard time admitting they are supporting McCain.
On a scale from 1-10, with 10 being as far conservative as humanly possible, and 1 being as liberal as possible, Obama is a solid 1.1, and McCain is a solid 2.5. A true moderate would rate a 5....
But the press and apparently the candidates would like us to think that anyone with a higher number than 1 is conservative.
Exactly.
What conservative would vote for a Marxist?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/us/politics/16method.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
General Tagge: But that's impossible. How will McCain maintain control without the conservative policies?
Governor Tarkin: Fear will keep the local constituencies in line. Fear of this Obama.
Sorry, the scare tactics card has been played too many times. I ain't playing that game no more.
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