Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Debate On Global Warming

Daily Tech ^ | 7/16/2008 | Michael Asher, Daily Tech

[ebayhater]

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 10,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

In a posting to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marquis explains...

[ebayhater]

Looks pretty significant..

[freespirited]

About damn time.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

The only problem is, Americans are too ignorant or apathetic to care or even pay attention.

If it gets any traction at all, it will have to go on Oprah, the View and Dr. Phil, or be mentioned in football beer commercials and NASCAR.

[PhilCollins]

When I debate global warming, I remind the other person about the heat wave of June-July 1980, when many cities, including New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Kansas City, and Detroit had record high temps. of 115-120 degrees. I tell the other person that I don’t remember any of those cities being hotter than 105 degrees, since then. I ask how we can have global warming now but not have global warming when we were warmer. I haven’t found anyone who can answer.

[pgkdan]

It’s significant to us...but to the entire generation of young adults and children who have been thoroughly brainwashed with this junk science I think it’s too little too late. It’s going to be awfully hard to put that toothpaste back in the tube.

[crusty old prospector]

What we have here is a failure to communicate. Some men you just can’t reach. But after working a few days in Boss Kean’s ditch, they will get their minds right.

[devolve]

[Always Right]

It is AMAZING how easily all of our best scientific bodies have been duped by global warming. I have lost much faith in integrity of science, and I have a degree in engineering.

[Aquinasfan]

I remember as a kid being taught that “Science” was equivalent to empiricism. In retrospect, it seems pretty funny.

[Hemorrhage]

Ha! Hot damn.

Science, after all, isn’t about consensus ... science isn’t democratic. Its about proof. Its about finding holes in your OWN theory, testing and re-testing each and every flaw, and either verifying your hypothesis, or refining it to match with the data.

Global warming has completely reversed the process — a theory was posited, voted on, and the “consensus” was accepted as truth without any verification whatsoever. No proof. No testing. No trial and error. Just a vote. That’s not science — that’s politics.

H

[Emmett McCarthy]

It seems to me that once any of this science has been politicized or subject to “concensus”, it is a very long trip back to credibility.

[Dead Corpse]

There are still people insisting that the Earth is flat, that is was created just 5000 years ago, and that we never made it to the moon.

The GW hoaxers claim that the science was "settled" was just an attempt at pure agitprop.

[NewJerseyJoe]

Just one more push!

[kidd]

I predict that the argument will change from

“the evidence for global warming is incontrovertible”

to

“we don’t really know if there is a human influence or not, but its better to be on the safe side”

Which, of course, is bogus as well. More goalpost moving, but it will still be the same hoax.

[WarEagle]

This is good, but it's a day late and a dollar short - the "carbon cap and trade" train has pulled out of the station, and the politicians who back it will NEVER admit they were wrong, were duped, or whatever.

The IPCC's purposeful errors are designed to take down our economy and prosperity - nothing else.

[wastedyears]

Where can I get in?

[reasonisfaith]

I hope this is the final straw.

[Aquinasfan]

I have lost much faith in integrity of science, and I have a degree in engineering.

Same here. Scientists who work in the private sector can only get away with so much BS. But watch out for roving bands of scientists who make grandiose pronouncements --as in global cooling (circa 1977), global warming, nuclear power or evolutionary theory.

[devolve]

[Grampa Dave]

The days of total thought control via the MSM and the screaming idiots supporting the latest or oldest liberal lie are coming to an end.

Thanks to the internet, we can detect and prove the lies before the end of 24 hours and start posting that data.

It may take awhile, but eventually the truth will come out.

The liberals will label it Swiftboating, and we will just smile. We know that the Swiftboat Vets helped to derail Kerry, and many of us supported them. We know that Swiftboating stands for getting the truth out there inspite of the lying, spinning and thought controlling MSM.

A very large share of Americans are saying no to all forms of the liberal MSM. As a result the fishwraps and tv nets are having financial troubles that could force them out of business before and by the end of this decade.

[C210N]

If global climate change won't allow leftists to get to their promised agenda, then perhaps they'll switch to "Man-Made Global Stasis".

This clearly will be Frightening! We can all see and agree that MMGS has led us from extreme heat and cold spells to one where due to man's wasteful habits, we no longer have these extremes... and are now neither overly cold or hot. We MUST DO something now to head this off... SEND Money!

[tubebender]

or be mentioned in football beer commercials and NASCAR.

Now you stepped in it double deep...

[wastedyears]

I wasn’t alive in 1980, I wouldn’t know anything about that from experience.

[InterceptPoint]

This has been a long time coming. Perhaps we now have passed a tipping point on the Global Warming Hoax.

I have believed for a long time that allowing the publication of the scientific arguments on both sides of the AGW issue would result in a rejection of the Al Gore man-made global warming thesis. I think the Al Gore camp has also realized this and have, as a result, poured a major part of their propaganda campaign into the idea of a scientific consensus on the subject. That consensus never existed.

[Old Professer]

I believe it is the result of specialization where no generalist survives the rigors of the ‘publish or perish’ plan and we end up with acceptance of conclusions rather than the time-tested evaluate, question model.

[ZGuy]

Google searches for “global warming” and “climate change” are way down too. The tide has turned.

[wastedyears]

***That’s not science — that’s politics.***

Well, looks whose bread and butter it was. A former vice-president. It’s all he knows.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

The Liberals are very much alive on their own form of media. They call it “Blackberry, Bluetooth, Youtube, etc”.

It’s obvious that since 2006, America has taken a heavy lurch to the Left. Don’t expect that to change in 2008. The media will see to that and already have. (The other media that is.)

[tbpiper]

I am appalled at how insidiously the ‘rape the planet for profit’ coalition has infiltrated such an august body. With the price of oil skyrocketing, no wonder the Big Oil people are trying to derail any reasonable climate change initiates.

(anticipating MSNBC, et al)

[A Texan]

Well said.

[polymuser]

One hopes and prays that the Marxist-socialist-driven social, scientific (in this case), market and political experimentation of the last 75 years is drawing to a close, as common sense tells the majority of us that it’s wrong and hurtful to ourselves.

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

Sweeeeeeet.

[Joan Kerrey]

I think it’s too little too late. +++++++++++++++++++++ A lot of damage has been done already but it's still not too late if more skeptics would make themselves known and enough of us continue to contact our reps and challenging them with facts. I've emailed this article to as many people possible.

[norton]

I don’t think you have too much to worry about with NASCAR.

[jblair]

“we don’t really know if there is a human influence or not, but its better to be on the safe side”

This is the approach taken by the RAND Corp. My guess is they don’t want to miss out on the $$$, like so many others.

That phrase constitutes the “at least” goals of the AGW architects. Zeitgeist and whatnot.

[r-q-tek86]

Ping

[GOPJ]

About damn time.

I'll second that...

[xcamel]

FReepmail me to get on or off
Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown
Dr. John Ray's
GREENIE WATCH

The Great Global Warming Swindle Video

Not Evil Just Wrong (mash here)

---

Hmmmm....

[Joan Kerrey]

I wasn’t alive in 1980, I wouldn’t know anything about that from experience. +++++++++++++++++++++ I was alive in 1980 and let me tell you that I darn near froze to death during that icy period. I'm alive today as a result of Time magazine's 51 tips on how to survive it. Now conditions have changed and you had better take it seriously. For our part our entire community here in the desert run our air conditioners 24/7 and open our patio doors so that we can cool the outside air. Our way to help in the GW fight. /s

[Jonx6]

ping

[freedomfiter2]

It is AMAZING how easily all of our best scientific bodies have been duped by global warming.

That’s because most “scientists” are primarily concerned with politics and money. Science comes way down on the list.

[Antoninus]

Google searches for “global warming” and “climate change” are way down too. The tide has turned.

I knew the tide had turned when advertising gurus *last year* were already warning that "green" was history as a marketing plan and were moving on to the next fad. Apparently, not everyone has gotten the message yet.

There will still be those pathetic losers who cling to this fad for another few years, but increasingly, society will come to view them as the cultural equivalent of people who still listen to Dexy's Midnight Runners.

[wideminded]

I remind the other person about the heat wave of June-July 1980, when many cities, including New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Kansas City, and Detroit had record high temps. of 115-120 degrees.

According to weatherbase.com, the highest recorded temperature for June or July for all four cities: New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Detroit is 104 degrees.

For Kansas City the June-July record is 112 degrees.

[TLI]

The 1980 United States heat wave was among the most devastating natural disasters in terms of deaths and destruction in U.S. history. The heat wave claimed at least 1,700 lives[1]. Also because of the massive drought, agricultural damage estimates neared US$44 billion (1998 dollars). It is among the billion-dollar weather disasters listed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

In Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas, high temperatures exceeded 100°F a total of 69 times, including a record 42 consecutive days from June 23 to August 3. Dallas/Fort Worth reached an all-time high on June 26 and 27, soaring to 113°F (45°C) on both days. In the northern hemisphere summer of 1980 in Dallas/Fort Worth, there were 29 days that either tied or broke records for those respective dates. Wichita Falls, Texas would hit 117°F (48°C), the highest temperature ever recorded in that city to date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_heat_wave

[Bobkk47]

The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

So what was once "incontrovertible" is now subject to debate and questioning. The libs aren't going to like this one bit.

[READINABLUESTATE]

ping

[mjp]

the Hadley Centre, as part of the British Meteorological Office and one of the world’s foremost climate-monitoring sites, is also churning out data showing that the planet isn’t warming at the moment, and hasn’t for the past 10 years or so. Clearly, increasing human carbon emissions aren’t causing the warming that was expected.

[TheCipher]

Science, after all, isn’t about consensus ... science isn’t democratic. Its about proof. Its about finding holes in your OWN theory, testing and re-testing each and every flaw, and either verifying your hypothesis, or refining it to match with the data.

Or in NASA's case, refining the data to match the hypothesis

[PhilCollins]

You’re right. I was mistaken, in my first post, on this topic. I found a site which states:

“The 1980 United States heat wave was among the most devastating natural disasters in terms of deaths and destruction in U.S. history. The heat wave claimed at least 1,700 lives. Also, because of the massive drought, agricultural damage estimates neared $44 billion (1998 dollars). It is among the billion-dollar weather disasters listed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

A strong high pressure ridge in the central and southern United States allowed temperatures to soar to 90°F (32°C) almost every day from June to September. The drought was also caused for this particular reason.

In Kansas City, Missouri, the high temperature went below 90 only twice and soared above the century mark (100°F, 38°C) for 17 days straight. In Memphis, Tennessee, the temperature reached an all-time high of 108°F (42°C) on July 13, 1980, part of a 15-day stretch of temperatures above 100°F that lasted from July 6-20, 1980.”

Do you remember an American heatwave, that was worse than the 1980 heatwave, since then?

[Kenny Bunk]

The Global warmers are ready for any argument.

EG. "We don't really know whether or not all Global Warming is anthropogenic. However, we have evidence that man is ACCELERATING the natural trend."

Logic cannot win against religion ...The religion of Mother Gaia.