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Gov. says Chicago 'out of control'--send in National Guard, helicopters and State Troopers
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | July 17, 2008 | FRAN SPIELMAN, DAVE MCKINNEY, FRANK MAIN AND ANNIE SWEENEY

Posted on 07/17/2008 11:12:26 AM PDT by SJackson

NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN? | Gov offers to send state troopers and National Guard copters to fight gang violence

Calling violence in Chicago "out of control," Gov. Blagojevich on Wednesday offered to lend state troopers and National Guard helicopters to the city to augment the Chicago Police.

The governor is considering forming an "elite tactical team" to help the Chicago Police fight gang problems, a source said, adding that the unit could later be sent across the state to deal with gang problems at any city's request.

It's fair to say that violent crime in Chicago is out of control. In certain communities in the city of Chicago, it is reaching epidemic proportions," Blagojevich told reporters at a bill-signing ceremony in Chicago.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: blagojevich; bluezone; chicago; cutandrun; nationalguard; urban
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1 posted on 07/17/2008 11:12:26 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure...


2 posted on 07/17/2008 11:13:32 AM PDT by xDGx
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To: SJackson

Hell no. Just send in Mr. Obama - the “uniter”. He’ll handle it OK.


3 posted on 07/17/2008 11:18:05 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Americans never quit!" Douglas MacArthur)
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To: SJackson

Chicago just needs a good “community organizer” - one with big ears. He’ll make everyone happy.


4 posted on 07/17/2008 11:18:57 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out O)
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To: xDGx
Nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure...


Target approved, bombardment begins!

5 posted on 07/17/2008 11:19:11 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: RexBeach

This is the kind of situation the haloed one leaves in his wake. America in 2016 will be just fine.


6 posted on 07/17/2008 11:20:00 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: SJackson

The governor is considering forming an “elite tactical team” to help the Chicago Police fight gang problems, a source said, adding that the unit could later be sent across the state to deal with gang problems at any city’s request.

“It’s fair to say that violent crime in Chicago is out of control. In certain communities in the city of Chicago, it is reaching epidemic proportions,” Blagojevich told reporters at a bill-signing ceremony in Chicago.

How did all these gang members get guns already? The supreme court ruled gun ownership legal only a couple of weeks ago.

Chicago city of idiots.


7 posted on 07/17/2008 11:21:00 AM PDT by cquiggy
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To: SJackson

Just make sure the honest people dont have guns to protect themselves. I wonder what area is having the most problem not to be racist I mean.Are the whites running amok???


8 posted on 07/17/2008 11:21:03 AM PDT by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: SJackson

If they send in the NG, how long before Obama concedes defeat?

Or, when will Rep. Murtha call them cold blooded murderers?

Will Sen. Reid say that the surge did not work in Chicago?

Will Sen. Kerry say he voted for the invasion before he voted against it?

Is there an exit strategy?

What natural resources does Chicago have that the left will scream that this action is for? “No blood for pizza?”


9 posted on 07/17/2008 11:23:22 AM PDT by rjsimmon
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To: bikerman
Yep, here's a recent photo of the troublemakers:


10 posted on 07/17/2008 11:24:44 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: SJackson
Emperor Daley is the one out of control. How can gun-free Chicago be having a problem like this?
11 posted on 07/17/2008 11:24:45 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: SJackson

So, how’s that gun control been working out for you?


12 posted on 07/17/2008 11:25:36 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.)
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To: SJackson

Send in the National Guard? Jeez; didn’t Obama’s community organizing work out?


13 posted on 07/17/2008 11:26:11 AM PDT by CedarDave ("Not Evil, Just Wrong - The True Cost of Global Warming Hysteria" http://noteviljustwrong.com/)
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To: SJackson
Perhaps BO can go to Chicago and sit down with no preconditions and meet with the gang members. Of course now he will allow them to get all the illegal guns they can get to keep those nasty police away from them.
If this is what is happening in Chicago now, what will happen if Obama is elected President of these United States?
14 posted on 07/17/2008 11:28:29 AM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: SJackson

This is what happens when midnight basketball is no longer offered.


15 posted on 07/17/2008 11:28:55 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: SJackson

Why not call LORD OBAMA and let him 'talk':-()


16 posted on 07/17/2008 11:28:59 AM PDT by geo40xyz (BE PREPARED: Rotate the ammo, food supplies, water, gas etc. Update the list:-() No new debt..)
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I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, you want to end the inner city violence, you suspend posse comitatus and send in the Marines. Quarden off the area, and flush em out house by house.

Its crazy, we are doing this in other countries, and here these little terrorists rule with impunity.

It is unfathonable that in the greatest nation the world has ever known that large numbers of decent people must live in fear due to a handful of violent punks.


17 posted on 07/17/2008 11:29:22 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SJackson
Big things brewing in Chicago.

2 Dem nominees from Chicago (Hillary was brought up there) running for Pres this year.

Chicago Repub Speaker of the House recently deposed (Hastert).

When Obama loses, my bet is that Chicago's political machine is going to go berserk.

18 posted on 07/17/2008 11:29:43 AM PDT by what's up
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To: CedarDave
"...didn’t Obama’s community organizing work out?"

It worked all too well, apparently.

19 posted on 07/17/2008 11:31:18 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: CedarDave
Jeez; didn’t Obama’s community organizing work out?

Guess not. Michelle once said that as a black man Barry could be killed getting gas two miles from home. She left out the fact that as a white man Barry could be killed getting gas two miles from home. And that most crimes committed against blacks are committed by blacks.

20 posted on 07/17/2008 11:33:57 AM PDT by SJackson (I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), roasted grasshopper (crunchy), BH Obama)
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To: SJackson

If Chicago is out of control what what do you call Detroit?..


21 posted on 07/17/2008 11:35:15 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: SJackson
Twenty-eight of those kids are African-American and Latino. Hard to imagine that that would be acceptable if that were, in fact, the case in other parts of the city or in a middle-class suburb somewhere. . . . Something is wrong, and this violence has to stop," he said.

Yeah, decades of Liberal Democrat rule and politics will do that for ya.

22 posted on 07/17/2008 11:36:17 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Barack Hussein Obama=Jimmy Carter Part Douche)
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To: SJackson

***Gov offers to send state troopers and National Guard copters to fight gang violence ***

Isn’t there a Posse Comatatus law to prevent military troops from being used for this? Maybe we should declare the gangs as “Insurgent revolutionaries” and go at them that way.


23 posted on 07/17/2008 11:43:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SJackson
...since June 26. The shooting death toll for Chicago Public School students stands at 29 since last fall.

"Twenty-eight of those kids are African-American and Latino. Hard to imagine that that would be acceptable if that were, in fact, the case in other parts of the city or in a middle-class suburb somewhere. . . .

That is a problem.
Obviously the 'have nots' don't know that guns are illegal in Chicago.
What is needed is a crash program to place a new TV in every ghetto home or apt. That way the 'have nots' can watch the News and 'Your Government in Action' on PBS.

24 posted on 07/17/2008 11:44:18 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: HamiltonJay
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, you want to end the inner city violence, you suspend posse comitatus and send in the Marines. Quarden off the area, and flush em out house by house...It is unfathonable that in the greatest nation the world has ever known that large numbers of decent people must live in fear due to a handful of violent punks.

In Chicago they live in fear partially because they're disarmed.

You point out the absurdity of the Governor's proposal, Guardsmen, sorry Guardspeople, don't have arrest powers, there's not a thing they can do. This is purely a policing problem, and to my knowledge Chicago isn't short on police. If they are, there's a long waiting list to get on the force they can use. I doubt they're short on helicopters either.

The SunTimes ran a great cover of Sheriff Blago in a cowboy hat on their cover, unfortunately I haven't found it on the web yet.

Commander in Chief Blago could call up the Illinois militia, but without FOIDs, most of them couldn't posess firearms. Daley would have to arrest them.

25 posted on 07/17/2008 11:44:24 AM PDT by SJackson (I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), roasted grasshopper (crunchy), BH Obama)
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To: SJackson

Nuthin like the Nirvanas that are created, where chronic DemoLiberal governance hold sway.

>Bo)


26 posted on 07/17/2008 11:45:47 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Hey, those are TULSA boys!

D—ned Greasers! And I don’t mean Mexicans.


27 posted on 07/17/2008 11:46:39 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SJackson

That sounds expensive. I figure for about $600 per household as a one time spend, you could DRASTICALLY cut down on crime. Simply purchase a firearm and teach the residence of the house how to use it along with some ammunition.


28 posted on 07/17/2008 11:50:48 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SJackson

Hey, Gov — Just call on The Messiah Lord Hussein, and he will bring....CHANGE! So let it be written, so let it be done!


29 posted on 07/17/2008 11:54:16 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Isn’t there a Posse Comatatus law to prevent military troops from being used for this? Maybe we should declare the gangs as “Insurgent revolutionaries” and go at them that way.

Correct. The proper way to address this would be to place parts of Chicago under martial law, send in the troops, set due process aside and use machine guns and flamethrowers to handle the miscreants.

30 posted on 07/17/2008 11:55:13 AM PDT by Publius (Another Republican for Obama -- NOT!!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
"Isn’t there a Posse Comatatus law to prevent military troops from being used for this?"

Unless activated under a Federal call up, the National Guard is a state assett and belongs to the governor. In that capacity, they are really no different than state police; a disaster need not be declared a federal disaster area for a governor to deploy the National Guard. The US Army Reserve and active duty soldiers, on the other hand, are always under the control and direction of the Federal Government and, with very limited exceptions can not be used in a law enforcement capacity without violating Posse Commitatus.

31 posted on 07/17/2008 11:56:04 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Vinnie

Of the 26 Blacks and Latinos, I wonder how many of the Latinos were illegal aliens?


32 posted on 07/17/2008 11:56:05 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Is this what Obama voters consider change. A change of position on every issue.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Isn’t there a Posse Comatatus law to prevent military troops from being used for this? Maybe we should declare the gangs as “Insurgent revolutionaries” and go at them that way.

Just start calling the gangs "Branch Davidians" and call in Weasley Clark...

33 posted on 07/17/2008 11:57:09 AM PDT by LRS (I want an oil glut!)
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To: SJackson

It’s a quagmire. All LEOs should redeploy to Ohio.


34 posted on 07/17/2008 11:57:32 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: anoldafvet
From this 2005 link....

GANG LAND By Michelle Malkin

A related ICE operation in Chicago targeted violent Hispanic gangs. Over the past five years, ICE agents on Chicago’s Violent Gang Task Force have arrested more than 375 known alien gang members.

And it hasn't gotten any better.

35 posted on 07/17/2008 12:00:53 PM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: hosepipe
what do you call Detroit?..

DeToilet

36 posted on 07/17/2008 12:01:32 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: hosepipe

“If Chicago is out of control what what do you call Detroit?..”

Mogidishu


37 posted on 07/17/2008 12:03:24 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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Ya know what? I think we ought to forget the national guard, state police and the whole state of emergency thing and send in America’s Mayor, Rudy Giuliani to prove that whole NYC thing wasn’t a fluke. I bet he could do it.

Let it begin here, Rudy for Mayor of Chicago!!


38 posted on 07/17/2008 12:06:33 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: SJackson

The governor thinks violence would never be tolerated in other parts of the city or in a middle-class suburb and is only tolerated because the dead kids were African American or Latino.

He’s right. In a middle-class suburb it would not be tolerated. Citizens would control their children and would work *with* the police to stop the violence. Providing information would not be considered snitching.


39 posted on 07/17/2008 12:07:22 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: taxcontrol
Simply purchase a firearm and teach the residence of the house how to use it along with some ammunition.

The opinion of a former state legislator on that. Guess who.

35. Do you support legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of

a. handguns?

While a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable , I believe reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns are necessary to protect the public safety. In the Illinois Senate last year, I supported a package of bills to limit individual Illinoisans to purchasing one handgun a month; require all promoters and sellers at firearms shows to carry a state license; allow civil liability for death or injuries caused by handguns ; and require FOID applicants to apply in person. I would support similar efforts at the federal level , including retaining the Brady Law.

b. a ssault weapons?

Yes.

c. ammunition for handguns and assault weapons?

I would support banning the sale of ammunition for assault weapons and limiting the sale of ammunition for handguns .


40 posted on 07/17/2008 12:10:45 PM PDT by SJackson (I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), roasted grasshopper (crunchy), BH Obama)
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To: xDGx

They should just take guns away from honest citizens then pass a law banning crime. Oh, they already did that? Never mind.


41 posted on 07/17/2008 12:13:30 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: SJackson

That’s the price Il. pays for shoving Obami and Turbin down our throats.


42 posted on 07/17/2008 12:13:39 PM PDT by devistate one four (H I V Homophobia Is Vindicated)
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To: SJackson

The last time they need that much law enforcement it was to stop a couple guys on a mission from God


43 posted on 07/17/2008 12:15:11 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa (The goo on John Kerry's flip-flops)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Unless activated under a Federal call up, the National Guard is a state assett and belongs to the governor.

Unless I'm mistaken they don't have arrest power, which makes them essentially useless for what is relatively routine law enforcement. That could be changed by legislation. They haven't the training either, but neither of those things interfere with a press opportunity that takes the attention off the Blago-Rezko connection.

44 posted on 07/17/2008 12:18:21 PM PDT by SJackson (I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), roasted grasshopper (crunchy), BH Obama)
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"Unless I'm mistaken they don't have arrest power, which makes them essentially useless for what is relatively routine law enforcement."

They have whatever authority the governor grants them at call up.

"They haven't the training either..."

National Guard MP units are largely manned by people who have civilian jobs as cops, federal agents, prison guards, deputies, etc...not exclusively, but largely. In any case they would have at a minimum, completed MP AIT and would have been trained in detention and apprehension of criminal subjects.

45 posted on 07/17/2008 12:26:52 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SJackson

“The governor is considering forming an “elite tactical team” to help the Chicago Police fight gang problems, a source said, adding that the unit could later be sent across the state to deal with gang problems at any city’s request.”

“It’s fair to say that violent crime in Chicago is out of control. In certain communities in the city of Chicago, it is reaching epidemic proportions,” Blagojevich told reporters at a bill-signing ceremony in Chicago.”

GOOD! Now perhaps the State law enforcement officials can help the Chicago PD solve the murder of Donald Young! They certainly have some leads they could be following up on!


46 posted on 07/17/2008 12:28:27 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

LOL. They look like the “Sharks” from West Side Story.


47 posted on 07/17/2008 12:29:05 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Michael Steele for VP)
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To: Towed_Jumper

BArry Hussein was just asked for comment about the Chicago situation. He responded...”Chicago? Did you say Chicago? Why, I’m from, uh, Phil...no, uh, that is, uh, I’m from...let me get back to you on that. Anyhow, clearly the surge is not working.”


48 posted on 07/17/2008 1:04:37 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: SJackson

Put these kids immediately in Boot Camp (ROTC-like venue) for any kind of minor infraction. Force them to work at community service projects...any further infractions just turn up the heat and discipline the living crap right out of them or hard time in jail with no perks! Outlaw gangs, period!


49 posted on 07/17/2008 1:05:23 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

That worked out real well didn’t it?


50 posted on 07/17/2008 1:45:38 PM PDT by dragnet2
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