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Smoking ban leads to new religion (Dutch cafe owners join 'One and Universal Smokers Church of God')
Dutch News (The Netherlands) ^ | July 16, 2008

Posted on 07/17/2008 12:42:01 PM PDT by Stoat

Smoking ban leads to new religion

Wednesday 16 July 2008

Café owners in the Netherlands are joining religious movement known as the One and Universal Smokers Church of God, the Telegraaf reports on Wednesday.

‘We stand firmly behind the church’s teachings and that is smoking,’ Cor Busch, owner of the former Lindeboom café in Alkmaar told the paper. ‘Smokers are being discriminated against… but a beer and a cigarette belong together.’

Smoking has been banned in Dutch bars since July 1.

Several dozen bars have joined the movement which claims the Dutch constitution and European rules give it legitimacy under the right to freedom of religion, the paper says.

People who join the church get a membership card entitling them to smoke inside the building. Worshippers believe in the trinity of smoke, fire and ash and honour their god by smoking.

Church founder Michiel Eijsbouts says café owners who are trying to get round the ban on smoking will not be allowed to join. The church, he says, takes smoking very seriously.

‘It has ritual aspects, it is something you experience and we follow our faith very strictly,’ he told the Telegraaf.



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Dutch smokers form holy alliance July 17, 2008, 19:21

Dutch smokers form holy alliance

A zealous religious movement is sweeping the Netherlands, under the banner of The One and Universal Church of the Smokers of God. Just over two weeks after a smoking ban came into force in the country, one publican-turned-preacher has transformed his café into a place of worship.

Cor Busch, owner of the Lime Tree café, said that the Holy Trinity of the new faith will be “Smoke, Fire and Ash.”

He hopes that the ‘faithful’ will be able to smoke indoors again, after the government outlawed smoking in bars and restaurants, as well as in the country’s infamous coffee shops, from July 1.

The Dutch constitution guarantees the right to religious freedom, which smokers are hoping will allow them to circumvent Holland’s new anti-smoking legislation.

Members of the church will receive membership cards upon joining. Church founder Michiel Eijsbouts told the Telegraaf newspaper, “It has ritual aspects, it is something you experience and we follow our faith very strictly.”

 

 


1 posted on 07/17/2008 12:42:03 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Gabz; SheLion; martin_fierro
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2 posted on 07/17/2008 12:42:40 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Possibly sacreligious... but effective.


3 posted on 07/17/2008 12:44:59 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Stoat
What about their 'holy' shooting galleries?


4 posted on 07/17/2008 12:45:47 PM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: Stoat

I like it when political correctness makes politicians have to behave like snakes swallowing their own tails.


5 posted on 07/17/2008 12:46:12 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Stoat
Ya gotta hand to those Dutch - they're really masters at that sort of thing...


6 posted on 07/17/2008 12:46:31 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Vigilantism will arise where the justice system is viewed as overly lenient and/or ineffective.)
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To: Stoat
Smoking has been banned in Dutch bars since July 1.

History repeasts itself. This time they surrendered to the smoking nazis.

7 posted on 07/17/2008 12:47:00 PM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: weegee

Booting up heroin is just good, clean fun.

But smoking is BAD for you. haven’t you heard?


8 posted on 07/17/2008 12:47:21 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Stoat; SheLion; Gabz; aculeus; Charles Henrickson; dead; dighton; Ezekiel; Lazamataz; mikrofon; ...
One and Universal Smokers Church of God

a.k.a. The Rastafarians, mon!

9 posted on 07/17/2008 12:54:28 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Natty Dread)
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To: Stoat
Best cigar store in Amsterdam. They're also very good with oddball email and telephone orders. Click image to see the very nice store. Tiffany for cigars, and I was amazed at the number of babettes who came in to grab a package of Sumatras.

P.G.C. Hajenius
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www.hajenius.com

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This store has been Amsterdam's leading purveyor of cigars and smoking articles since 1826, first with a store on the Dam and then (since 1915) in its present elegant Art Deco headquarters. Cigars are the house specialty; there's a room full of Havanas, and Hajenius also sells cigars from Sumatra, Brazil, and more.

10 posted on 07/17/2008 12:57:12 PM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: weegee
Smoking has been banned in Dutch bars since July 1.

History repeats itself. This time they surrendered to the smoking nazis.

Major Hochstetter

"So you think that you can enjoy yourself, eh?  Throw ziss man in ze cooler!"

11 posted on 07/17/2008 12:58:14 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
"Nazi Germany initiated a strong anti-tobacco movement and led the first public anti-smoking campaign in modern history. Anti-tobacco movements grew in many nations from the beginning of the 20th century, but these had little success, with the only exception being Germany, where the anti-tobacco campaign was supported by the government after the Nazis came to power."
12 posted on 07/17/2008 1:00:11 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Tony's work will live on = it's up to us to see it through)
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To: weegee

“History repeasts itself. This time they surrendered to the smoking nazis.”

cheap shot, what exactly did you expect NL (or denmark, for that matter, or even belgium though there were more complex issues there) to do in the second world war?

If anything they managed to avoid this longer than MANY other places, including many states of the US. You might as well say history reverses itself, and x states in the US surrendered before the Netherlands.


13 posted on 07/17/2008 1:05:43 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: weegee

I thought they were talking about smoking spliff in the coffee shops...


14 posted on 07/17/2008 1:06:38 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: Stoat; knighthawk

I love the Dutch!

I even like the fact that the Dutch Restaurant Association is challenging the ban (fat chance, I know, but at least they are, unlike the craven, spineless Ass of the USA) based on violation of social moraes and cultural behavior.

BRAVO!


15 posted on 07/17/2008 1:08:12 PM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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To: Loud Mime

Funny, isn’t it, our Hitlerian society where ole Adolf would feel more comfortable than Churchill or FDR.


16 posted on 07/17/2008 1:09:28 PM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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To: martin_fierro
Thank you very much for pinging your list  :-)

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17 posted on 07/17/2008 1:09:49 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat; martin_fierro; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; ...

NANNY State Ping...........

It’s definitely creative :)


18 posted on 07/17/2008 1:14:37 PM PDT by Gabz (You said WHAT?????????)
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To: Stoat

LOL...the smoking Nazis lose again. What a creative way to get around non-smoking idiocy.

No, I don’t smoke.


19 posted on 07/17/2008 1:17:12 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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To: swarthyguy
I even like the fact that the Dutch Restaurant Association is challenging the ban (fat chance, I know, but at least they are, unlike the craven, spineless Ass of the USA) based on violation of social moraes and cultural behavior.

Excellent point. Not all, but the VAAST majority of restaurant associations in the states go along with the bans, as long as they are all inclusive, for one reason and one reason only --- they are controlled by the big chains (Applebee's Olive Garden, Lonstar, TGIF, etc) which can weather the initial downturn in business, unlike the corner diner or tavern, thus eliminating the competition with government guns.

20 posted on 07/17/2008 1:20:39 PM PDT by Gabz (You said WHAT?????????)
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To: Gabz
Thank you very much for pinging your list  :-)

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21 posted on 07/17/2008 1:21:11 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


22 posted on 07/17/2008 1:25:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Gabz

I remember when the bans were going in piecemeal in towns around here; the biggest cry was for a level playing field.

Seemed unAmerican to me. Level Playing Field? What about some MBA buzzword signifying competitive differentials?

I was for letting individual establishments decide, and if the traffic was enough, they’d survive, if not thrive.

But I guess I’m out of touch with Modern America.

Yes, as much as I can, I patronize local nonchain establishments.


23 posted on 07/17/2008 1:26:25 PM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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To: Stoat
Holy SMOKES !!!

The first liturgical prayer for the One and Universal Church of the Smokers of God.

24 posted on 07/17/2008 1:30:14 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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To: Gabz
they are controlled by the big chains (Applebee's Olive Garden, Lonstar, TGIF, etc) which can weather the initial downturn in business, unlike the corner diner or tavern, thus eliminating the competition with government guns.

The exact same thing happened when Ontario banned the sale of tobacco in drugstores. Canada's largest drugstore chain is owned by this country's largest tobacco company but they supported the ban because it wiped out their independent competitors. It is now almost impossible to find a drugstore here that isn't controlled by one of two major chains.

25 posted on 07/17/2008 1:38:45 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: WoofDog123

Beatrix’s royal wedding to Claus von Amsberg long after the war also caused controversy.


26 posted on 07/17/2008 1:43:34 PM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: BreezyDog

Nope. This is tobacco.


27 posted on 07/17/2008 1:45:07 PM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: Stoat

Aunt Tilly, is that you?????

ROFL! Great pic.


28 posted on 07/17/2008 1:48:03 PM PDT by Gabz (You said WHAT?????????)
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To: Gabz
Aunt Tilly, is that you?????

ROFL! Great pic.

I'm delighted that you like it.....here she is again  :-)

 

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"snicker"

29 posted on 07/17/2008 1:51:46 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: swarthyguy
I remember when the bans were going in piecemeal in towns around here; the biggest cry was for a level playing field.

You can not imagine just how much I DESPISE that term. The only level playing field is a free market, especially in th hospitality industry.

If there was a true level playing field all restaurants would have the same menues and same prices and all bars would serve the same beverages.

I can see the buffet table now.........BBQ ribs next falafel next to sushi next fried chicken next to kosher hot dogs next to lasagna next to sushi next to burritos...........etc, etc, etc....

Or walk into a bar and ask the bartender what he has on draft "Sorry, no draft, the guy down the street can't fit the equipment in, so no one is allowed to have draft."

THAT is a "level playing field" if that is what they desire by FORCING all establishments to cater to one set of people - the anti smokers.

30 posted on 07/17/2008 1:57:01 PM PDT by Gabz (You said WHAT?????????)
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To: Stoat

I heard Aunt Tilly is 28 years old.


31 posted on 07/17/2008 1:57:47 PM PDT by Lexington Green (''Medical Marijuana causes Global Warming.'' - John McCain)
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To: Squawk 8888

That’s awfull.


32 posted on 07/17/2008 1:58:35 PM PDT by Gabz (You said WHAT?????????)
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To: Stoat

I think I was wrong, I think that is Aunt Eustice.........


33 posted on 07/17/2008 2:01:49 PM PDT by Gabz (You said WHAT?????????)
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To: Gabz

Since I’m venting, what does get my goat is the submissive, guilty attitude adopted by many habitues - it’s good we get to go outside and shuffle around, surreptitiously indulging, there’s no need to partake inside, etc.

Welcoming the secondclass citizen status foisted upon us. Accepting the ostracization and stigmatization.

Certainly not the attitude shown during Prohibition.


34 posted on 07/17/2008 2:10:30 PM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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To: Stoat
Which one of those Scandinavian countries allows dope smoking? The liberals here want to legalize it too,but they would prefer to outlaw tobacco.We need to outlaw liberals.
35 posted on 07/17/2008 2:35:41 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Gabz

BTTT!


36 posted on 07/17/2008 2:54:54 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: martin_fierro; Stoat; Charles Henrickson
Cor Busch, owner of the former Lindeboom café in Alkmaar told the paper. ‘Smokers are being discriminated against… but a beer and a cigarette belong together.’

Shouldn't his name be Coors Busch?

37 posted on 07/17/2008 3:03:10 PM PDT by mikrofon (InBev We Trust)
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To: swarthyguy

I will neither welcome nor accept such status placed upon me.

I have repeatedly told anti-smokers, including many in the forefront of the entire smoker control movement, if anti-smokers are too bloody damned stupid to understand a simple sign such as “smoking permitted” in a private business establishment, they are too damned stupid to even be out in the general public to begin with. And if their health is so frail they can not risk taking a chance of even a wisp of tobacco smoke, they need to be living in bubbles, not the real world.


38 posted on 07/17/2008 3:12:29 PM PDT by Gabz (You said WHAT?????????)
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To: Gabz

There was a local KoC type establishment that somehow managed to evade the diktats by only allowing members only into the place.

However, earlier this year, some people complained; and voila!

Didn’t surprise me how fast the place caved in to the complaints, despite the fact that the complainers could have gone to any other commercial establishment that was smokfrei.

Don’t need to tell you, but what a mentality we now have!


39 posted on 07/17/2008 3:22:25 PM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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Since I’m venting, what does get my goat is the submissive, guilty attitude adopted by many habitues - it’s good we get to go outside and shuffle around, surreptitiously indulging, there’s no need to partake inside, etc.

I know what you mean - the forelock-tuggers infuriate me.

40 posted on 07/17/2008 3:58:09 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: weegee

That is not the subject.


41 posted on 07/17/2008 7:44:23 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: swarthyguy
Yes, as much as I can, I patronize local nonchain establishments.

I haven't eaten in an Albuquerque restaurant since the city-wide smoking ban took effect in July of 2005 and I haven't eaten in a New Mexico restaurant since the state-wide ban took effect in June of 2007.

Don't intend to, either.

42 posted on 07/17/2008 7:48:57 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Gabz

Amen.


43 posted on 07/17/2008 7:51:19 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: nomad
Which one of those Scandinavian countries allows dope smoking?

I don't know, but I'm guessing that since they're all Socialist to varying degrees they all allow it at some level.  I have no doubt that there are some around here who can tell you precisely what the drug laws are in every country of the world, as it's quite an active and immediate concern to them.  When I visit a foreign country, my concern is to stay AWAY from the druggies, not gravitate toward them

 :-)

The liberals here want to legalize it too,but they would prefer to outlaw tobacco.We need to outlaw liberals.
 

Agreed.  I keep trying to do that every time I go to vote and every time I make decisions as to what businesses I spend my money with. 

 

44 posted on 07/17/2008 8:49:20 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Lexington Green
I heard Aunt Tilly is 28 years old.

If that's what she said, then that's how old she is.

I learned long ago to NEVER argue with or question a lady about her age, and if you are forced into a position of having to guess then NEVER make a guess above half her obvious age.  Doing anything else makes one risk being the recipient of her everlasting wrath, which can manifest itself in astonishingly wide-ranging, catastrophically expensive, breathtakingly painful and occasionally lethal ways.  I can think of a million better ways to die than what such a scenario would visit upon me.

45 posted on 07/17/2008 8:59:36 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
LOL...the smoking Nazis lose again.

Let's hope so....I'm guessing that you have to be VERY sneaky to be able to circumvent Socialist judges and prosecutors, and I have my doubts that this magnificent ploy will end up being sneaky enough to skate by in Holland.  They have my blessings and goodwill, however, and I wish them every success in their noble endeavor.

What a creative way to get around non-smoking idiocy.

Indeed it is. Hopefully the Dutch Supreme Court will be able to explain the reason why this Church is not acceptable to them but Islam is welcomed with open arms.

I wait with bated breath, but I'm guessing that the bureaucrats will simply say "no, you're not a Church and we'll put you in jail if you don't stop" rather than going into any advanced and far more meaningful philosophical essays.

No, I don’t smoke.

I have encountered lots of people who don't smoke yet loathe the antismoking Nazis.   A feeling of revulsion toward Fascism is the sign of a healthy mind, and whether that mind chooses to smoke or not has little bearing on the validity of an antifascist position.   :-)

46 posted on 07/17/2008 9:13:32 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Loud Mime
"Nazi Germany initiated a strong anti-tobacco movement and led the first public anti-smoking campaign in modern history. Anti-tobacco movements grew in many nations from the beginning of the 20th century, but these had little success, with the only exception being Germany, where the anti-tobacco campaign was supported by the government after the Nazis came to power."
 

WOW

I hadn't been aware of that, thanks very much for posting.

A great linked site as well, which I've bookmarked.

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47 posted on 07/17/2008 9:18:20 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: martin_fierro
"Ashes to Ashes,
Dust to Dust.
Light up a stogie,
for smoke we MUST!"

Full Disclosure: I don't, but I dislike nanny-state government.

Cheers!

48 posted on 07/17/2008 9:25:01 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Stoat

That’s why I maintain that we are in a Hitlerian society.

And the corresponding situation that both FDR and Churchill wouldn’t be allowed to indulge in a club, while Herr Shicklgruber could waltz merrily in.

Even Hitler couldn’t implement his desire in this case, but we happily accept it.


49 posted on 07/18/2008 10:49:29 AM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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To: grey_whiskers

“”Ashes to Ashes,
Dust to Dust.
Light up a stogie,
for smoke we MUST!”


I’m so old I remember the original of your posted poem.

Still here,still smokin’,and still scratching my head at the insanity of the anti smoking zealots.


50 posted on 07/18/2008 1:43:58 PM PDT by Mears
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