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John Lott: Gun Debate Is Hardly Over
foxnews.com ^ | July 14, 2008 | John R. Lott, Jr.

Posted on 07/17/2008 1:38:31 PM PDT by neverdem

The Supreme Court may have confirmed that Americans have the right to own guns for protection, but the gun debate is hardly over.

The District of Columbia, whose handgun ban was struck down by the Supreme Court, is still planning on banning most handguns.

And the court decision has spurred the media into overdrive to paint guns as dangerous to their owners.

No one who has taken even a quick glance at the crime data can seriously argue that the D.C. gun ban lowered murder or violent crime rates.

The concerns being raised are not the threat from criminals, but that guns pose a risk to their owners.

In particular, buying a gun and having it in your home is said to increase the likelihood of suicide.

Mike Stobbe for the Associated Press emphasized the problem by pointing out that the majority of gun deaths are suicides.

He also noticed that Supreme Court Justice Breyer mentioned his concerns about gun suicides 14 times in his dissent.

By contrast, he mentioned accidental gun deaths rated only three times.

That is not surprising, given that the accidental death rate from guns is so low not only absolutely but in comparison to other common household items.

A nationally syndicated article by Shankar Vedantam, a Washington Post columnist, has a similar concern.

Vedantam points to a 1991 study in the New England Journal of Medicine that claims that after examining data from 1968 to 1987, “the gun ban correlated with an abrupt 25 percent decline in suicides in the city” and that the “decline was entirely driven by a decline in firearm-related suicide.”

Yes, suicides did indeed decline after the ban.

However, it is unlikely to have much to do with banning guns as non-gun suicides fell even slightly faster than gun suicides (see...)

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; dc; guncontrol; heller; johnlott; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed

1 posted on 07/17/2008 1:38:31 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Mike Stobbe for the Associated Press emphasized the problem by pointing out that the majority of gun deaths are suicides.

As opposed to AP, who just continually shoot themselves in the foot. :D

Where's Michael Bellesiles, the noted gun-control expert, on this matter? (Google the man if you don't know who he is).

2 posted on 07/17/2008 1:42:07 PM PDT by ssaftler
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To: neverdem

I’ve committed suicide 100 times since I bought my first gun when I was 18. I’m 54 now and because my family got tired of going to all my funerals, I quit committing suicide.


3 posted on 07/17/2008 1:42:40 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running. FREE LAZAMATAZ)
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To: neverdem
"Mike Stobbe for the Associated Press emphasized the problem by pointing out that the majority of gun deaths are suicides."

"He also noticed that Supreme Court Justice Breyer mentioned his concerns about gun suicides 14 times in his dissent."

That is not good news. I believe the word for this is called "projection", and I never gave a thought to the possibility that a member of the Supreme Court would be considering suicide.

4 posted on 07/17/2008 1:44:14 PM PDT by An Old Man ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." Douglas)
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To: neverdem

So let me get this straight. DC is opposed to handguns, not because they are concerned one person will shot another on the street, they’re afraid the greater population of DC will commit mass suicide?


5 posted on 07/17/2008 1:44:36 PM PDT by LoneStarGI
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To: LoneStarGI

LMAO...so stupid.


6 posted on 07/17/2008 1:57:35 PM PDT by Havok (MOLON LABE!!!!)
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To: neverdem

It is hard to oppress a population equipped to hunt
animals the size of a man.
— L. Neil Smith, Pallas (New York: Tor, 1993), p. 380


7 posted on 07/17/2008 2:11:28 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto!)
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To: LoneStarGI
they’re afraid the greater population of DC will commit mass suicide?

Of course they fear the greater population of DC committing mass suicide. Who tha' heck will pay the taxes and fees?

8 posted on 07/17/2008 2:17:15 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: neverdem

Isn’t Lott the guy who wrote “More Guns, Less Crime”? He’s got some cred, methinks...

Colonel, USAFR


9 posted on 07/17/2008 2:37:15 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: jagusafr

Isn’t Lott the guy who wrote “More Guns, Less Crime”? He’s got some cred, methinks...


Yes, same guy. And I have been having more fun than I am entitled to listening to his Audiobook “Freedomnomics” as I travel to and from work every day.


10 posted on 07/17/2008 2:44:47 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: neverdem
IN an article full of keen quotes this has to be the outstanding one:

If people are unable to make these decisions for themselves, how can people figure out which politicians should make these decisions for them?

11 posted on 07/17/2008 2:49:53 PM PDT by groanup (Here, bend over and let me give you my carbon footprint.)
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To: groanup

Pow!


12 posted on 07/17/2008 3:06:50 PM PDT by devistate one four (H I V Homophobia Is Vindicated)
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To: neverdem

You know.

I think I will now pick which laws I will obey.

AND That will be based on which laws they chose to enforce.

(let the sarcasm roll in)


13 posted on 07/17/2008 3:42:32 PM PDT by kennyboy509 (Ha! I kill me!)
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To: neverdem

The attempts by the Sociualist to repeal the 2nd Amendment by proxy using various guns laws, use of the media and outright lies and fear tactics will never end.....
For the Socilaist to complete their take over of America they need to disarm as many American citizens as possioble.


14 posted on 07/17/2008 4:22:28 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: Mack the knife

Haven’t heard of that one - sounds worth a listen!


15 posted on 07/17/2008 6:32:11 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: LoneStarGI
So let me get this straight. DC is opposed to handguns, not because they are concerned one person will shot another on the street, they’re afraid the greater population of DC will commit mass suicide?

Who is the greater population of DC, and why would this be bad???

16 posted on 07/17/2008 8:02:55 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Mack the knife

Sounds good too’ just put a hold for it at my library, thanks.


17 posted on 07/17/2008 8:18:56 PM PDT by Ricebug (NKP RTAFB 70/71)
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DC Rejects Heller Handgun Application

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18 posted on 07/18/2008 12:04:39 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping.


19 posted on 07/18/2008 4:50:10 AM PDT by GOPJ (Obama wins the unicorn and purple sky vote...)
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To: An Old Man
"Mike Stobbe for the Associated Press emphasized the problem by pointing out that the majority of gun deaths are suicides."

Take away the guns and the majority would be "car left running in garage - house burned down". Would Mr Stobbe then recommend outlawing garages?

20 posted on 07/18/2008 4:58:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (Obama wins the "unicorn and lavender sky" vote...")
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To: GOPJ

Same folks who are in favor of voluntary suicide as a “right” are upset people use guns to accomplish it?

Odd isn’t it?

What would they have us do?


21 posted on 07/18/2008 5:00:46 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
22 posted on 07/18/2008 5:16:16 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem
It's interesting, with all their concern over guns and suicide, that they never notice that Japan, which bans guns, has a suicide rate more than double the US's rate (for males, it's 36.5 versus US 17.6, female 14.1 vs 4.1)
23 posted on 07/18/2008 5:19:58 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 07/18/2008 6:37:02 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: cajungirl
Liberals seldom feel the need to be logical. As you pointed out they can hold two morally inconsistent beliefs at the same time and believe them both...
25 posted on 07/18/2008 7:23:34 AM PDT by GOPJ (Obama wins the "unicorn and lavender sky" vote...")
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To: PapaBear3625

Perhaps San Francisco should close the Golden Gate bridge over suicide concerns?


26 posted on 07/18/2008 7:27:02 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Joe Brower

27 posted on 07/18/2008 8:24:58 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: neverdem

How do the stupid people of DC even get themselves feed and to work everyday?


28 posted on 07/18/2008 8:33:13 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: bmwcyle
How do the stupid people of DC even get themselves feed and to work everyday?

A very large percentage of them don't. That's part of the problem.

29 posted on 07/18/2008 9:48:49 AM PDT by Gritty (Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those not inclined to commit crimes-T. Jefferson)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

We’re equipped to hunt animals larger than men, and the lucky few of us still have tools designed to take down old tanks...


30 posted on 07/18/2008 9:50:31 AM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: neverdem

Interesting that the debate on guns which has been ruled on by the Supreme Court is not over but the debate on Climate Change ended as soon as Al Gore said so.


31 posted on 07/18/2008 9:52:30 AM PDT by IamConservative (On 11/4, remember 9/11...)
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To: GOPJ

Gotta love doublethink


32 posted on 07/18/2008 9:54:30 AM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: TLI
Of course they fear the greater population of DC committing mass suicide. Who tha' heck will pay the taxes and fees?

Oh, come on! The rest of the country pays for most of DC's operations, so this cannot be their fear.

No, their fear is that most of their idiot constituents will off themselves, leading to their promotion to the private sector by the remaining, non-suicidal, voters.

33 posted on 07/18/2008 11:01:44 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: wastedyears
Gotta love doublethink

LOL - and liberals do is sooooo well.

34 posted on 07/18/2008 1:49:41 PM PDT by GOPJ (Obama wins the "unicorn and lavender sky" vote...")
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To: GOPJ

I can doublethink pretty well myself.


35 posted on 07/18/2008 2:11:37 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: ssaftler
Where's Michael Bellesiles, the noted gun-control expert, on this matter? (Google the man if you don't know who he is).

Ex = Has Been
Spurt = Drip under pressure

Therefore, ExSpurt = Someone who Has Been a Drip Under Pressure

36 posted on 07/23/2008 5:27:30 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Typical white person)
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To: An Old Man

Well, from a practical standpoint, neither President Obamalamadingdong nor President McPain could move the court leftward by replacing Breyer. That, such as it is, is the good news.


37 posted on 07/23/2008 5:29:56 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Typical white person)
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