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Texas Turns Aside Pressure on Execution of 5 Mexicans
New York Times ^ | July 18, 2008 | James C, McKinley, Jr.

Posted on 07/18/2008 6:08:12 AM PDT by Zakeet

Despite pleas from the White House and the State Department, as well as an international court order to review their cases, Texas will execute five Mexicans on death row, a spokeswoman for the governor said Thursday. The first of the executions — that of José Ernesto Medellín, 33, convicted in the 1993 rape and murder of two teenage girls here — is scheduled for Aug. 5.

The decision by Gov. Rick Perry to allow the executions is the latest twist in a long-running battle between Mexico, which has no death penalty, and the United States over the fate of 51 Mexicans facing capital punishment in several states, including 14 in Texas. On Wednesday, the International Court of Justice at The Hague ordered a review of five of the Texas cases after Mexico complained that the convicts, all men, had not been allowed a chance to talk to a Mexican consul after their arrests, as required under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

But that argument holds little sway in Texas, a place with a long history of upholding the death penalty and of telling other governments to mind their own business.

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Mr. Medellín [was] one of six young men that a jury found had raped and strangled Elizabeth Peña, 16, and Jennifer Ertman, 15, in a park one night.

Mr. Medellín was 18 at the time and had lived most of his life in Texas; he signed a confession in English.

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For relatives of the murdered girls, questions about international relations seem irrelevant.

“This has nothing to do with the World Court; it has nothing to do with the U.N.,” said Jennifer’s father, Randy Ertman. “This has everything to do with what Mexico wants, not what Texas wants. The people of Texas want the death penalty.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; capitalpunishment; crime; deathrow; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; sovereignty; texas; worldcourt
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A spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, Ricardo Alday, accused Texas of “an irreparable breach of international obligation” if it executed any of their citizens.

1 posted on 07/18/2008 6:08:12 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Good for us.


2 posted on 07/18/2008 6:09:50 AM PDT by TheZMan (Bitter backwoods east Texan Christian gun clinger with the AC at 72 degrees.)
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To: Zakeet

Go Texas !!!!!


3 posted on 07/18/2008 6:11:12 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Zakeet
...in a long-running battle between Mexico, which has no death penalty...

living in Mexico IS a death penalty...thats why so many want in here....

4 posted on 07/18/2008 6:11:14 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Zakeet
"rape and murder of two teenage girls"

There is something wrong with anyone who opposes the execution.

6 posted on 07/18/2008 6:12:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Zakeet
I am sorry this woman is grieving but I am grieving that these monsters are still breathing air. They should have died long ago. This was the most awful crime, I don't even like re living it to rejoice in their deaths.
7 posted on 07/18/2008 6:12:51 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Zakeet

Best Mexico’s embassy spokesman puts out the word IN MEXICO that it can be dangerous to cross that border.


8 posted on 07/18/2008 6:14:30 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Zakeet
14-year old girl who was raped and killed by the poor boy that lady is holding up the picture of.


9 posted on 07/18/2008 6:14:44 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Zakeet

mexicans have no death penalty!

but they’re always killing each other,

and americans.


10 posted on 07/18/2008 6:15:13 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Zakeet

You’ve got to love Texas.


11 posted on 07/18/2008 6:15:28 AM PDT by Vision (The light of the body is the eye, if your eye is true all your body will be full of light. Matt 6:22)
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To: Zakeet
Wasn't “Texas,” that was Governor Rick Perry, a man who get bashed as often and as hard as our current President. Means Liebral want the Gov. gone, too.
12 posted on 07/18/2008 6:15:36 AM PDT by kcm.org (I was paying $0.99/gal before dims stole Congress!!!)
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To: Zakeet

“Texas, a place with a long history of upholding the death penalty and of telling other governments to mind their own business.”

Way to go, Texas!! Keep up the good work.


13 posted on 07/18/2008 6:16:17 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: Zakeet

Leave it to the NY Times to put up a picture of the killers grandmother instead of the victims.


14 posted on 07/18/2008 6:16:26 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Zakeet

“In Texas, if you kill someone, we will kill you back.”


15 posted on 07/18/2008 6:17:28 AM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: TheZMan

Good for Texas!


16 posted on 07/18/2008 6:17:54 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Zakeet

” convicted in the 1993 rape and murder of two teenage girls here — is scheduled for Aug. 5.”

Lag times between crime and punishment that are this bad or worse bug me to no end.


17 posted on 07/18/2008 6:18:26 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Zakeet
I am calling Gov. Perry (512-463-2000) to give him praises for this decision. I think everyone should do the same. Sometimes it is hard to stand up to a barrage of opposing forces and the governor needs a pat in the back from the Americans that believe in the rule of law.
18 posted on 07/18/2008 6:18:32 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: Zakeet

Texas says: “Remember the Alamo”


19 posted on 07/18/2008 6:18:52 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Zakeet

Don’t do the crime in Texas if you can’t stand dyin’.


20 posted on 07/18/2008 6:19:07 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: Always Right

If you do the crime, you DO THE TIME, in Texas!

These thugs brutally kicked these two little girls to death.

They had no mercy on them.

We should have no mercy on these thugs.

I still feel as passionate about this case as the day I first heard about it. We have lived with this double murder for 15 years. It is time to rid the earth of the scum/thugs.

She was an only child, the girl in the photo, and her parents could have no more children. My heart still aches for this family.


21 posted on 07/18/2008 6:20:33 AM PDT by buffyt (Glowbull Warming: The Greatest Hoax Since Y 2 K !!!!!!!!!!! FOLLOW THE $$MONEY$$)
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To: Vision

I DO!

I live in Lake Jackson Texas


22 posted on 07/18/2008 6:20:59 AM PDT by buffyt (Glowbull Warming: The Greatest Hoax Since Y 2 K !!!!!!!!!!! FOLLOW THE $$MONEY$$)
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To: Zakeet

If they don’t want them executed, keep them in Mexico, instead of letting them come here to rape and murder.


23 posted on 07/18/2008 6:21:18 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: Zakeet
Even though I love to talk crap about Texans that visit Colorado, I must say my repect for Texans has gone up quite a few notches.

Fry the b-tards!

24 posted on 07/18/2008 6:22:46 AM PDT by 14erClimb (I'm not a member of the vast RINO conspiracy)
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To: Zakeet
I’m from Texas. In Texas we have the death penalty. And we USE it.

That’s right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That’s our policy.

They’re trying to pass a bill right now through the Texas Legislature that will speed up the process of execution in heinous crimes where there’s more than three credible eye witnesses. If more than three people saw you do what you did, you don’t sit on death row for 15 years, Jack, you go straight to the front of the line.

Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty … my state’s puttin’ in an express lane.

25 posted on 07/18/2008 6:24:37 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: Zakeet

I am so glad Bush is not the governor of Texas right now, what a disappointing wuss he’s turned out to be.


26 posted on 07/18/2008 6:25:14 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: mathluv

DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS!!!!!!

I used to do criminal defense work in Texas. There is always an excuse. It is always somebody elses fault. Boo friggin hoo.

Juice these guys up as soon as possible.


27 posted on 07/18/2008 6:25:26 AM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: Always Right

What really impresses me in this is that Texas has done something remarkable. It has said no to the US Gov’t, to the Mexican Gov’t, to the UN, and to the World Court.

Every entity that could claim any kind of higher state status than “Texas.”

What Texas has done is affirm that it is, in its own right, a STATE.

We are separate States that are united around a constitution.

Of all messages that the socialists among us fear, this is the one that puts a wooden stake in their hearts.

Incidentally, this is another extremely important reason why there should never be a national popular vote for president. Each state is an independent entity.


28 posted on 07/18/2008 6:25:27 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Always Right

This case totally changed our family. We had three kids still at home at the time. Ages 11, 12, and 14.... when we heard the details of this case, the girls were going to be late, so they took a shortcut, and ran right into these killers... so we started telling our kids “Never worry about coming home late. If you have car trouble or anything, even if you are drunk (I HOPE NOT) but to never be afraid to come home late. To call me if they needed to be picked up. To never take a dangerous route for fear of being late. Even if it was middle of the night. That we would listen to them. They might be grounded, but no big deal. I didn’t want my kids running into danger on their way home. Such BRUTAL KILLERS! It is TIME for them to GO! I still get upset and shaky just thinking of these poor girls and how they were raped and beaten and kicked to death by these monsters.


30 posted on 07/18/2008 6:25:58 AM PDT by buffyt (Glowbull Warming: The Greatest Hoax Since Y 2 K !!!!!!!!!!! FOLLOW THE $$MONEY$$)
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To: Zakeet

God Bless Texas!


31 posted on 07/18/2008 6:27:10 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: shankbear

Hopefully, Texas won’t give in.


32 posted on 07/18/2008 6:27:26 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: Zakeet

We need to send these criminal aliens straight to hell - and let’s send the bill for their extended incarceration and execution to Mexico while we’re at it.


33 posted on 07/18/2008 6:27:29 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: 14erClimb

Why do you like to talk trash about Texans who visit Colorado? My mother and father in law lived in Golden from 1974-2005 when Paul died. We came up there every Februray for his birthday. Why is THAT trashy? Had no idea people didn’t like us to come visit our elderly parents in Colorado! I don’t mind if Colorado citizens come to Texas. No big deal. A lot of snowbirds come here to spend the winters! We don’t mind.

We used to ski when we were there to visit the folks, and we DROPPED a lot of CASH in Colorado. Had no idea that anyone in Colorado hated us for spending money there and for caring for our elderly relatives! It is a free country. We ARE allowed to travel state to state!!!!!!!!!!!!


34 posted on 07/18/2008 6:29:16 AM PDT by buffyt (Glowbull Warming: The Greatest Hoax Since Y 2 K !!!!!!!!!!! FOLLOW THE $$MONEY$$)
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To: Zakeet

This was a gang or group rape and five of them got the death penalty. Medillin has his date with the needle scheduled, another has been executed, one other is still on death row waiting his execution date and two have had their death sentences commuted to life as they were 17 at the time of the rape.

The wheels of justice turn slowly but hopefully justice will finally be meted out to the gang.


35 posted on 07/18/2008 6:36:25 AM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: Zakeet

Execute them pinata style. Hang ‘em high and let anyone who wants to, give them a swat.


36 posted on 07/18/2008 6:36:58 AM PDT by sbMKE
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Let me tell you: When the United States has long ceased to exist as society governed by the people, I believe that Texas will stand tall as one of the last bastions of freedom in the Western World.


37 posted on 07/18/2008 6:37:33 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Zakeet

We need more of this...

I like the fact that the great state of Texas told the Federal government and the international aholes to screw themselves. =)

Maybe we will see the day when a state like Texas tells the Federal socialists to go screw themselves again and finally frees its citizens from the marxist policies, taxes and fees of the federal government.


38 posted on 07/18/2008 6:38:13 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: buffyt
Come on now, we joke about Colorado too. You know Colorado's motto "Colorado, where Texans come to ski".

Colorado was once part of the Texas Republic until the U.S. government took them as payment for war debt.

39 posted on 07/18/2008 6:41:24 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: buffyt

I, too was sickened by this crime. Living here in Houston, we know what pigs this gang was.

One girl was 14, the other 16. Killed when they stumbled upon a gang initiation accidentally.

As I remember, wasnt one of the pigs turned in by his mother?

God Bless Texas


40 posted on 07/18/2008 6:43:45 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: myself6
“Maybe we will see the day when a state like Texas tells the Federal socialists to go screw themselves again and finally frees its citizens from the marxist policies, taxes and fees of the federal government.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..........................
some here on FR would like to see conservatives move to states where we could have a major impact on elections..
the possibility now that the GOP is Socialist lite is to by pass Washington DC,,some day what you write could then happen..we got no chance with National parties and those in the Imperial DC.
41 posted on 07/18/2008 6:43:59 AM PDT by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: whatisthetruth

Um, last time I checked, Bush had liberated 50 million people, wiped out 3/4 of the known Al Qaeda...

Over all the whining of the wimps in Congress, he just got the wiretapping law he wanted in place...he has protected this country as he was sworn to do.

Your buddy Bill Clinton was offered Bin Laden 3 times and didnt have the fortitude to take him out.


42 posted on 07/18/2008 6:47:50 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: TheZMan

Note to self: August 5 Fried Chicken for supper.


43 posted on 07/18/2008 6:49:11 AM PDT by MissEdie (On the Sixth Day God created Spurrier)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

Amen, my friend - well said


44 posted on 07/18/2008 6:50:29 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: Former MSM Viewer
As I understand it, Mexico's complaint centers on the fact that the perps were not allowed to discuss their arrest with the Mexican Consulate.
Solution: Invite the Mexican Consul to the execution. Problem solved.
45 posted on 07/18/2008 6:52:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Vision

Randy Ertman, father of Jennifer, a 14-year-old girl Medellin raped and murdered, criticized the World Court for attempting to intervene.

“The world court doesn’t mean diddly,” he said. “This business belongs in the State of Texas. The people of the State of Texas support the execution. We thank them. The rest of them can go to hell.”

Adolfo Peña, father of Elizabeth, a 16-year-old girl Medellin also raped and murdered, concurred with Ertman.

“I believe we’ve been through all the red tape we can go through,” he told the Houston Chronicle. “It’s time to rock and roll.”


46 posted on 07/18/2008 6:54:21 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

God Blessed Texas, By ‘Little Texas’

I’ve seen a lot of places
I’ve been around the world
I’ve seen some pretty faces
Been with some beautiful girls
But after all I’ve witnessed one thing still amazes me
Just like a miracle you have to see to believe

‘Cause God blessed Texas with His own hand
Brought down angels from the promised land
Gave ‘em a place where they could dance
If you wanna see heaven brother here’s your chance
I’ve been sent to spread the message
God blessed Texas

First He lit sunshine
Then He made the waters deep
Then He gave us moonlight
For all the world to see
Well everybody knows that the Lord works in mysterious ways
He took a rest then on the very next day

God blessed Texas with His own hand
Brought down angels from the promised land
Gave ‘em a place where they could dance
If you wanna see heaven brother here’s your chance
I’ve been sent to spread the message
God blessed Texas


47 posted on 07/18/2008 6:59:33 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: buffyt
I still remember reading about this case when it happened. After gang-raping them, the killers strangled the girls with their shoelaces and stomped on their throats to kill them. I remember one gang member described in detail what everybody did, so they have these guys dead to rights.

Lethal injection is way to good for them. For cases like these, I wish they'd bring back public impalement. I would have no trouble eating popcorn and drinking a coke as I watched them slide down their impaling poles.

48 posted on 07/18/2008 7:05:24 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: Zakeet

Don’t mess with Texas.


49 posted on 07/18/2008 7:07:09 AM PDT by Snurple
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To: whatisthetruth

Besides the facts in Post #42, then Gov. Bush was very strong on the death penalty and withstood several attempts to be coerced by Mexico on other cases. No one is 100% but Pres. Bush has done some might honorable things.


50 posted on 07/18/2008 7:08:09 AM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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