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Report: More faulty wiring at Iraqi bases
UPI ^ | 7/18/2008 | Unattributed

Posted on 07/18/2008 11:38:08 AM PDT by mojito

The number of fires and deaths caused by faulty wiring at U.S. bases in Iraq is larger than the military has admitted, The New York Times reports.

The newspaper said it obtained internal documents put together for congressional and Defense Department investigations on the work done by contractors. The documents show that many soldiers have suffered non-lethal shocks in their barracks, the report said.

The work was done by KBR, one of the largest military contractors and a former subsidiary of Halliburton.

Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth died from an electrical shock while taking a shower in January. The death focused attention on poor wiring.

The internal documents show there were 283 electrical fires in the second half of 2006. Two soldiers died in one fire in 2006.

One report said KBR self-reported a "systemic" problem with electrical work at bases in Iraq.

The Times said neither the Pentagon nor KBR would comment on the details of the reports.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: faultywiring; halliburton; iraq; kbr
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I know the source is the NYSlimes, but this is a serious problem. If people have been guilty of cutting corners and shoddy work that has gotten men killed, they need to go to prison for a long time.
1 posted on 07/18/2008 11:38:09 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

The Army contracted a great deal of work themselves then did not supervise or provide QC.

There are many many places where KBR had a presence but did not have any contractual obligation or scope of work to inspect or repair the work done by Army contractors.

But as usual, KBR gonna get the bad rap.

However, I cannot comment about this specific case.


2 posted on 07/18/2008 11:49:24 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: mojito
I agree with you one that ,but the problem could be difficulty with the grounding systems due to poor soil conditions. i would imagine that the ground is pretty dry there and provides a poor earth return circuit. this problem is excaberated if the electrical source is a generator.
3 posted on 07/18/2008 11:50:10 AM PDT by Iron head mike (shop smart........shop s mart)
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To: Iron head mike

Interesting information in your post, none of which I had ever heard before.


4 posted on 07/18/2008 11:54:14 AM PDT by Clara Lou (McCain is better than Obama any day.)
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To: Iron head mike

If that were the case, then they should hire people that know how to do it correctly. There are many places in desert areas that use generators, where this is not happening. Unless someone is cutting corners on material and just not doing it right.


5 posted on 07/18/2008 11:55:17 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

it all depends on how they go about “bonding” the grounds. sometimes it’s as simple as pooring a bucket of water over the ground rods.


6 posted on 07/18/2008 11:57:58 AM PDT by Iron head mike (shop smart........shop s mart)
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To: Iron head mike

From what I saw, grounding was an issue because the installers sometimes failed to connect the grounding straps, sometimes failed to actually tighten the connections, sometimes only put the rods into the ground a couple inches then cut them off to make it appear that they were driven in to proper depth.

Again, what I saw was work done before KBR got on site, work contracted directly by the Army.


7 posted on 07/18/2008 11:59:17 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: Iron head mike

You would hope someone would know that.


8 posted on 07/18/2008 12:00:01 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Eagle Eye
sometimes only put the rods into the ground a couple inches then cut them off to make it appear that they were driven in to proper depth.

I drove one in the nice New Mexican soil for my greenhouse. Took about an hour and I thought my arms were going to fall off.

9 posted on 07/18/2008 12:01:44 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Eagle Eye

if this is true these A-holes should be strung up! a ground rod has to be in the ground a minimum of 8 feet!


10 posted on 07/18/2008 12:02:44 PM PDT by Iron head mike (shop smart........shop s mart)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

My understanding is that the rods could be installed horizontally at about 8 inched depth.


11 posted on 07/18/2008 12:03:50 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: Eagle Eye

i’ve never seen it done that way, but then again i’m in the peoples republic of kalifornia


12 posted on 07/18/2008 12:05:45 PM PDT by Iron head mike (shop smart........shop s mart)
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To: Eagle Eye

Now you tell me.


13 posted on 07/18/2008 12:06:31 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Next time get a large hammer drill with a ground rod attachment. Goes in like butter. (Btw, I'm an electrical contractor and I don't know how I got along without it.)
14 posted on 07/18/2008 12:21:53 PM PDT by GoDuke
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even easyer if you just use a couple of cups of water and “hydraulic” it in
15 posted on 07/18/2008 12:47:50 PM PDT by Iron head mike (shop smart........shop s mart)
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To: mojito

A good, solid ground is an unknown necessary in electrical and electronic work.

I understand from others on this forum that getting a good ground in the “sandbox” is almost impossible at times in that region. You often have to detail people to “water” the ground rods several times a day, as if they are plants.

This is much deeper than an issue of “shoddy” work, and the Slimes is being its usual idiotic self in spinning the article this way.

This is a deep logistical problem. It is going to take serious resources to fix and is all he worse because explaining to congress why you need to spend $10k to drill a rod down to 200ft for a decent ground has got to be hard to explain.


16 posted on 07/18/2008 1:28:55 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Wiseghy

I agree with all you’ve said. I don’t know much about electrical installations but the comments on this thread have been very informative.

I hope that the true situation is as you say, one of a serious logistical problem related to conditions, rather than one in which people were just sloppy, or worse.


17 posted on 07/18/2008 1:37:08 PM PDT by mojito
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The work was done by KBR, one of the largest military contractors and a former subsidiary of Halliburton.

BS to the author! KBR does Operations and Maintenance, not construction. This is by contract because of all the "little guys" who wanted a piece of the action and live off the government dole.

The contractors who do construction are third worlders and the military doesn't provide adequate quality control.

It's just too easy to blame KBR for all this BS.

18 posted on 07/18/2008 1:40:48 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Utah requires grounding rods to be sunk 8 feet deep in dry soils.


19 posted on 07/18/2008 2:44:53 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats write their congressman to complain about video store late charges)
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To: Allegra

You heard anything about this?


20 posted on 07/18/2008 3:47:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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