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It’ll only get worse after Bush
The Politico ^

Posted on 07/20/2008 6:43:30 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

It’ll only get worse after Bush By: Jeremy Lott July 19, 2008 11:02 AM EST

At this year's CPAC convention of conservative Republican activists in D.C., many young supporters waited in long lines overnight and braved metal detectors and bomb-sniffing dogs to hear President George W. Bush speak the next morning.

After he had finished, they broke out an eerie chant: "Four more years! Four more years!"

I heard tell of this later that day and thought they had all gone barking, foaming-at-the-mouth mad. By almost any measure, this has not been a successful presidency — certainly not when on weighed on the scales of the right.

The list of conservative grievances is a long one. Bush inherited a balanced budget and unbalanced it by tax cuts and, especially, spending. He never met a bloated Republican-backed bill he couldn't sign. He won a massive expansion of Medicare benefits, then threatened a veto when his own party wanted to scale back some of its enormous costs.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; cpac
he does have a point.......
1 posted on 07/20/2008 6:43:30 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

After he had finished, they broke out an eerie chant: “Four more years! Four more years!”

So when we do it, it’s “eerie”.


2 posted on 07/20/2008 6:46:20 AM PDT by AndrewB
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To: Sub-Driver

“he does have a point.....”

Really???

“Bush inherited a balanced budget and unbalanced it by tax cuts”

The budget was never ‘balanced’ and the so called ‘surplus’ only existed in liberals minds..

Shifting the debt from one place to another is not a ‘balanced budget’.


3 posted on 07/20/2008 6:48:08 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Sub-Driver
"...the sort of Kosovo and Somalia-like interventions that Bush can't get away with now,"

Ok Class, what's wrong with this picture?
4 posted on 07/20/2008 6:49:56 AM PDT by AndrewB
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To: Sub-Driver

Après moi, le déluge.


5 posted on 07/20/2008 6:52:26 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama, keep the change!)
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To: Sub-Driver
People also tend to forget the war on terror, two major economic corrections, and an increase in global oil demand and prices. I do agree Bush and the repubs spent to much money and did expand government.
6 posted on 07/20/2008 6:54:28 AM PDT by carcraft
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To: Sub-Driver

>>”I’d rather another term with the Bush we know than four years with the president we’re going to get to know.”<<

Surprise ending.


7 posted on 07/20/2008 6:54:41 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: AndrewB

Kosovo and Somalia were Clinton misadventures.


8 posted on 07/20/2008 7:05:45 AM PDT by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: Sub-Driver

What this idiot failed to recollect, was that before Bush took office, the Stock Market tanked over night, and all that excess tax revenue went south for the winter. Those tax cuts were designed to inspire spending again and jump-start the market driven economy and did.

Bush inherited a recession, he didn’t create it. Every President makes mistakes, even Reagan. I agree that the Republicans overspent and began crossing the line towards Leftist ideology.

Even still, where was Hero McCain when all of this was happening? He was a central part of it, mostly on the side of the Democrats. He was busy promoting amnesty, criticising the President for the Iraq war strategy, or opposed the tax cuts and several Conservative Supreme Court justice nominations by the President. (Gang of 14 Liberals)

There is plenty of blame to go around. especially for the Democrat Congress and the mess they have made since 2006. This election is just a carbon copy of several from the past. Both parties are wrong and have lost direction.

Much like making a recovery from addiction or alcoholism, the addict/alcoholic has to be allowed to hit bottom before a recovery can take place. America is very close to doing just that, and should.


9 posted on 07/20/2008 7:13:38 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: carcraft

[People also tend to forget the war on terror, two major economic corrections, and an increase in global oil demand and prices. ]

Granted the war on terror. Granted also Bush’s tax cuts. But most of our problems stem from Bush having essentially never vetoed any spending bill. Secondly, the Fed is on a printing spree, which caused the housing bubble and much of the oil increase. So, Bush still deserves blame for pushing us towards the edge of the cliff.


10 posted on 07/20/2008 7:14:57 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: rgboomers

A+!


11 posted on 07/20/2008 7:18:27 AM PDT by AndrewB
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To: shove_it
Backs up Glenn Becks poll ... Bush, McCain, Obama. Bush eighty the other two splitting the twenty with McCain just slightly ahead of Barrey. How did this happen that these two out of three hundred million are the choices?
12 posted on 07/20/2008 7:19:01 AM PDT by SAWTEX
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To: SAWTEX

Backs up Glenn Becks poll ... Bush, McCain, Obama. Bush eighty the other two splitting the twenty with McCain just slightly ahead of Barrey. How did this happen that these two out of three hundred million are the choices?

The democrats crossing over and the MSM.


13 posted on 07/20/2008 7:31:09 AM PDT by Travelgirl
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Watch out,the mccainiacks will be along directly to scare us with BOOGIE MAN OBAMBI.


14 posted on 07/20/2008 7:34:43 AM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Are we not at a point today where Nixon and Reagan appear center-left?
Obama cites Reagan repeatedly. Reagan signed a million+ illegal alien
amnesty that is anethema today. Nixon gave us the EPA, got us out of Vietnam, instituted wage and price controls, and opened up China.

We won the entire 2nd Amendment war. We won!

The rubbish of fabricated “collective rights” has been tossed into the
garbage pile of History...Harvard’s great legislative mis-teaching is no
more.

Individual rights won.

Taxes are cut. Partial birth abortion is banned (the first SCOTUS blow to
Roe v Wade).

National missile defenses are deployed.

NATO is expanded and India brought into our fold.

We’re drilling offshore for oil...the Congressional ban expires at the end
of September.

No Child Left Behind is forcing entrenched union goons to actually be
*tested* instead of letting them teach our kids with no checks or
balances...and Bush convinced Kennedy to sign on to it!

Every day the left-wing news media loses audience share. Network news has
become irrelevant. The average age of TV viewers is now 50...just old Baby
Boomers and retirees watch such nonsense any longer. They *lost* the kids.
They blew a monopoly. No more “We’re losing Vietnam” nonsense.

We’ve re-written Carter’s FISA court.

We’ve built 300 miles so far, and by the end of this year will have built
670 (out of 700) miles of our Southern Border Fence.

We’ve got wind farms and coal-to-oil refineries being built.

The UAW has self-destructed.

It’s the most **rightward** shift of Americana in History. Moreover, it was
accomplished in full view...all while the left-wing news media published
nothing but polemic rhetoric (non-stop!) against President Bush (our Tar
Baby).

Throw me in that briar patch!

*heck, the only two things that Bush and the Right want (of note) that he
hasn’t gotten yet in his two terms are privatizing Social Security and
private school choice vouchers (and McCain will get those enacted).


15 posted on 07/20/2008 7:40:58 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

We’re also about to get higher gas taxes and amnesty for illegals and possibly some BS carbon tax idiocy as an offset to allow more drilling for oil.

Probably more bank bailouts, a declining dollar, a few bankrupt american corporations(major ones), several others being bought up by foreigners, some kind of watered down fairness doctrine applied to conservative talk radio, roll back of bush tax cuts, gay marriage crammed down our throats, some really crappy absolutely nauseating supreme court appointees, etc etc

The conservatives aren’t all powerful just yet.


16 posted on 07/20/2008 8:08:44 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Not all-powerful...just wildly successful at enacting cultural change over the past 7+ years.


17 posted on 07/20/2008 8:10:31 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: mamelukesabre

“BS carbon tax idiocy as an offset to allow more drilling for oil.”

I refuse to pay a carbon tax.


18 posted on 07/20/2008 8:11:12 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: Sub-Driver
Americans know at some visceral level the biggest beneficiary of the Iraq war is Iran,

This whole article seems to bounce from weird fantasy to complete whopper. This particular example of the latter stood out to me.

Apparently freedom and democracy don't qualify as benefits for the Iraqi people. And how Iran benefits from spending blood and treasure on a failed attempt to stop Iraq from becoming a strong, stable democracy is hard to fathom.

I gave up reading this gibberish about half way through but not before agreeing with the central premise that, as poor a president as Bush has been (on almost everything outside the Terror War), the alternatives facing us in November will almost certainly be worse.

Scary.

19 posted on 07/20/2008 8:22:46 AM PDT by irv
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To: shove_it

So would I. Even though I did not like some of the Bush programs, Bush is a decent, God fearing man who loves America and the American people. Can’t say I think the same of either of today’s candidates. My guess is we will not like most of the programs that are in store for us and this Nation.


20 posted on 07/20/2008 8:40:21 AM PDT by mulligan (A)
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To: Bigh4u2
“Bush inherited a balanced budget and unbalanced it by tax cuts”

The budget was never ‘balanced’ and the so called ‘surplus’ only existed in liberals minds..

That is correct. The budget was never balanced. All liberals did was use the same phony accounting that Enron used; by claiming future pie in the sky projections.

21 posted on 07/20/2008 8:43:08 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Sub-Driver
Americans know at some visceral level the biggest beneficiary of the Iraq war is Iran, and they don't like it.

What is he talking about???

How is Iran the biggest beneficiary of the Iraq war???

22 posted on 07/20/2008 8:47:59 AM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: popdonnelly
I refuse to pay a carbon tax.

Don't worry, you won't even know it's there. It will be hidden just like 90% of taxes are now.

23 posted on 07/20/2008 8:51:02 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Sub-Driver
Yeah yeah.. but WHO could have figured George Bush would be for and even lobby for 10/20 to 30 million prospective brand new democrats added to the voting demographics.. with ILLEGAL AMNESTY.. We knew he probably wasn't any smarter than his FAther but JEESE.. being FOR millions of brand new proto-DEMOCRATS..

Could be the(A) shadow gov't is behind BUSH, CLINTON and Obama and whatever happens was programed to happen 20 years ago.. Like in 2008 we have the choice of TWO Socialists.. outright and in your face.. The old BAD COP, GOOD COP gambit being played out politically.. Its the American VOter that is the "PERP"...

24 posted on 07/20/2008 8:53:53 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Southack
We’re drilling offshore for oil...the Congressional ban expires at the end of September.

When did we start drilling offshore? I thought that was China and Cuba doing that.

25 posted on 07/20/2008 8:57:44 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Southack
We won the entire 2nd Amendment war. We won!

We won one battle, not the war. Most states have the same anti-gun laws they had before Bush.

26 posted on 07/20/2008 8:59:42 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: gitmo

I agree , Bush sucked and real republicans are going to suffer a long time because of what he’s done to this party ,
if it still exists as a conservative party. I am starting to think it is the new moderate liberal party and conservative are left with nowhere to go and the democrats
are the far left nut jobs.

There isn’t going to be any historical vindication for Bush as some think. When we start to look back , he’s going to look worst than now. He is NO Truman or Churchill.


27 posted on 07/20/2008 9:15:19 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: mulligan

“Even though I did not like some of the Bush programs, Bush is a decent, God fearing man who loves America and the American people.”

Are you sure he is or was it good politics, I’ve never heard
him say Jesus is his lord and savoir. He always says the whole higher power garbage , he even said christians and muslims serve the same GOD ...


28 posted on 07/20/2008 9:20:07 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: Sub-Driver
9/11...
29 posted on 07/20/2008 9:41:43 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: RED SOUTH

It is never “good” politics to be politically correct. My belief is that, in his opinion, PC was the way to handle the problem. Wrong decision, yes. And to say that Christians and Muslims believe in the same “god”, another very poor decision. Yet, I do believe that Bush is a Jesus believing Christian. Could I be wrong? Yes. May God have mercy on this Nation.


30 posted on 07/20/2008 11:05:18 AM PDT by mulligan (A)
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To: Bigh4u2
Shifting the debt from one place to another is not a ‘balanced budget’.

Instead this president shifted debt from one place to another and ran up even more debt as fast as he could. Big improvement.

31 posted on 07/20/2008 11:09:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Sub-Driver

Hillary Clinton is already sending out feelers for the 2012 campaign.

So where are the conservative candidates who are planning for 2012?

I would hazard to guess that there aren’t any, because those who will eventually want to run haven’t thought that far ahead.

Before President George W. Bush even announced his candidacy, he had already lined up most of the major Republican party donors. And he was arranged the construction of the Texas White House in Crawford. And all most people thought of him was as the ex-governor of Texas.

John McCain was very upset that on the first day of the race, he had already lost, before he had even run. But that is what happens when you don’t plan ahead. You feel cheated, like prior planning was somehow unfair.

I can tell you right now who should be the Republican candidate in 2012, if Obama is elected: Jeb Bush. After four years of Obamadisaster(tm), the US will be happy to have another Bush. And because his family *think ahead*, unlike the typical conservative candidates, he will win big.

If McCain wins, Jeb Bush will be the candidate in 2016. After serving two terms as VP. Again, as a good asset to McCain, because he will think ahead.

And people that do that win elections.


32 posted on 07/20/2008 11:36:01 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Sub-Driver

He’s right about spending, but completely wrong about the Iraq war and its connection to the War on Terror.

I read his book on the vice presidency. It was a lot of fun. I am now reading a book that gives a brief account of every vice president. It’s called “Bland Ambition”. I have not yet found a book on the vice presidency that was not written by a smart aleck.


33 posted on 07/20/2008 1:49:00 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Instead this president shifted debt from one place to another and ran up even more debt as fast as he could. Big improvement.”

That may be true but it still doesn’t change the fact that democrats did not have a balanced budget to begin with.

Smoke and mirrors, no matter who uses them, are still smoke and mirrors.


34 posted on 07/21/2008 8:13:27 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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