WRONG!!! there's hardly enough room now, and they want to fill even more seats? with flunkies??? they had their four years, now off to work with them and let them get their GED like everybody else had to do in their position.
Posted on 07/20/2008 9:29:37 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued
If college students can take more than four years to graduate, why not high school students?
State educators are considering a proposal to raise the number of years before graduation for some Michigan high school students.
Under today's regulations, students count as "dropouts" in state records if they don't finish high school in four years -- even if they receive their diplomas within the next year.
But that could soon change.
"This is great news," said Mary Beth Handeyside, director at Omni Adult and Alternative Education, the alternative high school of Carrollton Public Schools.
"It's not only in the interest of the students themselves, but of the state and their communities" to have as many high school graduates in Michigan as possible, she said.
Students take five years to graduate for a variety of reasons, Handeyside said. Some must compensate for habitually skipping class. Others come back after dropping out entirely. Still others missed school because of a chronic illness or long-term suspension.
The state Board of Education is mulling a plan that would allow these students five years to graduate rather than the traditional four. Students would have to seek approval for the one-year extension on a case-by-case basis.
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Right now, they’re calling it an option, but give them time. If this passes, it will gradually become mandatory and new classes on things the students don’t need to know will be imposed so the schools will have an excuse to keep them in.
This proposal is coming out of Michigan.
“If college students can take more than four years to graduate, why not high school students?”
Answer: College students (or their parents) are paying the bill. High School money comes out of ALL of our pockets.
I’ve known of 21 year olds who could not graduate, and yes they were still in public schools with 15 and 16 year olds.
Why not just report the number that take 5 years? I don’t think the number is that breathtaking, but this has been going on for a long time and not unheard of. I know some one who did the 5 year plan for high school more than 20 years ago. She had some serious issues and after intervention repeated 10th grade.
My oldest finished in three and still didn’t spend as many hours a day on her work as public school kids do in school.
And she took Physics and calculus in her third year homeschooling.
The teachers’ unions want to waste another year of childrens’ time. The only benefit would be for the teachers, who would have more time to teach Political Correctness. More teachers would have to be hired too.
The idiot doesn't realize that it will only increase the dropout rate. If they can't get kids to stay in school for four years, what makes them think they'll want to go for five?
Correct. This is being driven by the teachers unions.
More student-years = more jobs.
If they didn’t make it out in 4 years, an extra year isn’t going to help measurably. In fact, schools that have a large percentage of their students requiring 5 years should be classified as “underperforming” and faculty & administration should get a 20% compensation penalty.
This is the computer age, why does it now take five years to do what we used to do in four when we only had a slide rule?
Should special ed teachers be classified as “underperforming”, and suffer a 20% compensation penalty?
People have a lifetime to complete High School at present. It’s called a GED.
It doesn’t - my son just finished Algebra, in the seventh grade. I took it in 9th grade.
“My oldest finished in three and still didn’t spend as many hours a day on her work as public school kids do in school.”
That’s because she and you were able to find well-written books and also because she was spared the ordeal of bullies, bad teachers, and intentionally boring classwork & homework.
All adding an extra year to high school will accomplish will be to prolong dependancy, put off self-sufficiency, increase tax liability, and give more business to teachers, administrators and the NEA.
Didn’t say special ed.
Said this:
“schools that have a large percentage of their students requiring 5 years should be classified as “underperforming””
please... it's not the same thing...
There are schools in this country, that are 100% special ed. Just about nobody graduates in 4 years - in fact, they are put out the door when they turn 21.
Shall we then cut the pay of the teachers in these schools by 20%?
It was, after all, your proposal.
We have already paid for them.
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someone has sand in their mangina this morning...
Yikes. remind me not to google wierd word like “mangina”.
I had never heard of it before.
Give the NEA / public schools every single dollar you earn & it wouldn’t be enough.
That’s the definition of insanity, doing the same thing twice and expecting different results.
In some cases, kids don’t graduate in four years because some ditzy brained teacher didn’t like them and failed them in a course in their senior year. It was that economics teacher that didn’t teach economics but was saving some third world hellhole country on school time.
So the kid who is smart enough but the administration doesn’t like, *failed* economics and had to take it in the summer in order to go to the college that he’d already been accepted at.
On the one hand we have those who demand an end to social promotion and those who are angered that some graduate without truly meeting all the requirements.
Now we have those who don’t want those kids having the extra year (whether they want it or not) to complete their graduation requirements.
Schools can’t win.
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Why start if it is going to take four years before you will see any benefits from drilling, I mean attending.
Much of what is taught in high school will be of no use to the students once they are no longer in school. It makes me wonder why we have high school at all.
This country is going down the toilet so fast we are all going to drown by November 5th.
That fifth year won’t make any difference. If they haven’t learned in four what they need to graduate, that extra year isn’t going to help much.
There are plenty of kids who have done it on less, demonstrating that for the vast majority, it can be done.
In some cases, however, the kids will never be able to graduate because they simply can’t master the work and keeping them there longer will never make a difference.
There is NO good reason to keep them in longer. They can go to a community college if they’re that interested in finishing up their education.
how silly... it's people who think the way you do that have caused all those silly little qualifiers on products such as "Not To Be Eaten as Fruit Jelly" on a jar petroleum jelly...
you really don't see the difference between special ed and general ed schools? someone has to actually come out and tell you that special ed schools would be exempt? you really think, from the postings, that he/she meant to include special ed schools?
just curious--how long do special ed students spend in their special high schools, on the average?
There are plenty who homeschool so it can be demonstrated that everyone should do it, right?
I think thast the law is the law, and that the rule proposed was, any school with underperformance shall have salaries cut by 20%.
I pointed out that the rule proposed was idiotic.
I graduated in 1974, two and a half years after I started. That was a public high-school in southern California. I hated school, but instead of trying to avoid it I was in a hurry to get out.
It’s been awhile since I was in school, but we had what we called “5th year seniors”.
What is the official school leaving age in the US?
Most graduate at 17 or 18.
Will they get an extra year of eligibility?
WRONG!!! there's hardly enough room now, and they want to fill even more seats? with flunkies??? they had their four years, now off to work with them and let them get their GED like everybody else had to do in their position.
Conversely, would they allow high school students who have already completed all their requirements, to leave school early, but still get a diploma? Our would they allow high school seniors to do dual enrollment at a local Community College? That way, when they complete their high school requirements, they can just move on over easily to the Community College to get an Associate’s Degree, or have college credits ready to transfer to a full four year college.
That's been allowed here in Michigan since I was a high schooler in the eighties. Case by case. Probably varies from one CommColl to the next.
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Fire the NEA!
Cut half the current "soft subjects" in the ciriculum and teach real cources inluding real American history, real math and real english composition.
No advancement without real acheivement.
Allow retired folks that did real work designing, building, creating and marketing items useful to society to come into the schools a mentors to the students.
Include one summer in grade school and one in high school at a complusory military camp with real former military instructors.
Our education system is slowly bring America to its knees - and will succeed if not destroyed and redesigned.
Don't neglect credit for the most important reason, that she was a bright kid. Someone with a 95 IQ isn't going to succeed at calculus or physics no matter how good the teacher is.
A significant contributor to high school failure rates is egalitarian curriculums that put half wits in subjects beyond their capabilities.
There are plenty who have been so successful at homeschooling that it demonstrates that it's a realistic option for anyone serious about their kid's education.
In our district, they're called *super-seniors*.
They might. It's not uncommon for kids to be held back for athletic purposes. I believe Notre Dame Quarterback Jimmy Clausen was 20 when he graduated high school.
I almost wished I started kindergarden a year later. I was a decent athlete at 18 and a very good one at 19. That one year makes a huge difference.
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