Posted on 07/20/2008 6:00:29 PM PDT by 1066AD
From The TimesJuly 21, 2008
Baikal: the gangsters' gun
James Andre Smartt-Ford, known as Dre, was standing by the steps to the ice at Streatham rink when a black-clad youth emerged from the crowd, gripping a gun. He fired two shots from close range into his victim's back. Dre fell forward dying, his blood spreading across the ice
The revolver that killed Dre had the words “Made in Russia” imprinted close to the muzzle, and was fitted with a silencer to muffle the shots. But nothing could mask the tang of cordite in the air or silence the screams of Dre's girlfriend Lauren.
(Excerpt) Read more at women.timesonline.co.uk ...
Nor could anything silence a 'REVOLVER'. Great reporting, nothing new considering the source.
How does one clone a Makaraov in the form of a revolver?
Well, it’s not a revolver anyway...
Cordite hasn’t been use for many years. and I belive use in rifles.
actually, Russian armorers in the early last century developed a revolver named the “nagan” that had the unique feature where the cylinder mated to the barrel when being fired. that thing could have easily worked with a suppressor.
There is a very simple solution: the UK needs to outlaw guns (and maybe knives). Law abiding citizens can spread butter with their fingers.
True, but the comment is still essentially correct.
True, but the comment is still essentially correct.”
you’re correct. my reason for the reply was that i came across this weird revolver years ago in Moscow. just info for folks that like things that go boom.
The Russian Nagant revolver was made to be silenced. When you pull the trigger the cylinder moves forward to seal against the back of the barrel. There is no side blow and the revolver can be silenced.
Moisin Nagant 1898 gas sealing revolver. The sealing was to gain more efficiency, but it could assist in silencing.
Pretty anemic cartridge, but what do you need to shoot uppity zeks in the gulag anyway?
That looks like a small calibre - .22 or .25? Or maybe the Russian equivalent. Isn’t that 7.62 or something?
apparently the broom handle Mauser was in great demand.
apparently the broom handle Mauser was in great demand.
btw, my dad was a zek. arrested in ‘37.
Heck yes, I’d love to get one!
I bought a Nagant revolver back in the 90s when Russian guns were being sold by Russian troops and by their commanders. It came with a holster and a lanyard and sold for $110.Finding ammo for it was difficult.
If evil walked the earth, it was in the Soviet Union during that time. My respect to your father.
Dunno. The article talks about conversion from a Russian caliber to 9mm
Fiocchi makes it.
I own a couple of them, and they are OK, but I would rather have a decent .22 H&R 9 shot for nearly any purpose.
Yes, a silencer could be fitted, but it is still louder than a comparable locked semi-auto or single-shot, because the gas seal mechanism still leaks a bit.
A fascinating bit of history.
From that picture it sure looks smaller than a 9mm.
Export model?
(The cluelessness of MSM reporters aside),
The 1895 Nagant gas-sealing revolver is said by its importers to do quite well with the .32 H&R Magnum cartridge.
They must be comfortable enough from the legal angle to make that statement.
Anyway, a silenced revolver still doesn’t make mucho sense IMHO.
Close, but not quite right. The revolver is the Nagant,... “
thanks for the update. all that i know that in Russian a pistol is also referred to as a “nagan”.
Somehow this must be our fault.
I am aware that there are several forms of silenced revolvers, including the one that you reference. I actually think that I saw one of those at the CIA museum at Langley a long time ago.
However, my post, and I should have been more specific, was meant to point out that the likelihood that a street thug would be in possession of an antique specialty firearm is of course absurd.
I used to have a .25 caliber tear gas gun which I never used but recall thinking it had probably been originally a real gun design. I know this one is a revolver which would be easier.
I doubt the silencer is really effective.
Tijeras_Slim wrote:
If evil walked the earth, it was in the Soviet Union during that time. My respect to your father.”
Sadly it was quickly replaced by the Clinton/Buffet/Soros Leviathan called China.
***The revolver that killed Dre had the words “Made in Russia” imprinted close to the muzzle, and was fitted with a silencer to muffle the shots.****
Hyperbole alert! BS ALERT!
Looks to me like a Bersa or Walther PP series.
FTA: According to the Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca), criminals can obtain guns “easily” and a large proportion of gun crime, because it is criminal-on-criminal, “undoubtedly goes unreported”.
This is really a hoot. Is the organized crime ‘Serious’ or is it the the agency that is serious about it? If the former, then ther must be organized crime that is not ‘Serious’ - so it’s ‘frivolous’ or perhaps ‘humorous’ organized crime?
The 1895 Nagant was the Russian service revolver and widely used by the Soviets. It is 7.62mm, or .30 caliber. The same as the Russian service rifle, the 1891 Mosin-Nagant, which fired the 7.62x54mm cartridge.
The Nagant revolver fires a cartridge with about a 100 gr. bullet at about 700 fps, about the same as the .32 S&W. You can still buy them wholesale for about $80.
Not exactly. In Russian there are two main words for a handgun - "revol'ver" and "pistolet" just like in English (their origin is foreign.) The word "nagan" means only the old Nagant revolver that other people mentioned, and can be used to refer to another revolver only by mistake.
A revolver fitted with a silencer is about the most ineffective way to muffle sound that I can imagine.
many thanks, i hope that he has found peace in his next life. he was a truly good man.
he was one of a few thousand that survived two arrests (a third is unheard of). he was never actually convicted of anything, but if they released him the govmnt would have had to pay him compensation for wrongful imprisonment. the Soviet defense lawyer in his case resigned for such blatant abuse (ever hear about anything like that?)
when the Germans invaded Kharkov my Mom and Dad were able to retreat with them after the Soviet counter-attack.
long story short: he came to this country after the war and few would even believe that there were labor camps in the good old USSR. it wasn't until Solzhenitsyn’s book about came out in ‘72 that perceptions changed a bit.
evil is with us and has always been. it just changes it's mask. just one thing to consider: if Evil presented itself honestly then people would fear it.
The CIA also had some Dan Wesson revolvers fitted with suppressors. The interchangable barrels on the Dan Wessons allowed the barrel to be screwed in so that it contacted the face of the cylinder and eliminated the cylinder gap. It worked, although I don’t know how well.
well, don’t know what say. pistolyet is commonly used but a more common term is pushka (cannon). i have been stopped by Moscow cops asking me if i had “cold arms” or a nagan.
growing up in NJ in a Russian/Ukrainian community all handguns were referred to as “nagans”.
Baikal makes target air pistols and sport pistols that beginning shooters on my daughter’s team use. They don’t seem very sinister to me.
I learned pretty quickly that you had to leave a bit tho much less than the supplied feeler gauge provided. If you screwed it so tight that there was none or almost none, you would quickly lock the action up with fouling.
The only reason they might want to use a revolver would be for the power but that would also mess up any attempt to silence it as the bullet would break the sound barrier.
Yep, it’s makarov based.
We snickered at the sight of the suppressed Nagant, but it was impressively quiet.
“Nor could anything silence a ‘REVOLVER’. Great reporting, nothing new considering the source.”
Actually there is a russian revolver that can be silenced.
The model I am thinking of has cylander rotates and goes into battery when the hammer is cocked.
A 1917 in a 9mm variant I think....? An odd one anyhow.
See #45
bfl
Cordite? What a putz! Revolver with a silencer, no thanks they don’t work because the sound escapes out of the cylinder,not just the barrel. Semi-auto handguns are the only ones that silencers work with and it is best to have a round the travels slower than the speed of sound also.
So did Webley with their semi-auto revolver, but both of those guns were exceptions, as a general rule revolvers cannot be suppressed, and cordite hasn't been used for years.
Reed-Knight made a shoulder stocked suppressed GP-100 years back. Fitted a barrel with minimal cylinder gap. Never understood why they made it. Probably just to do it..
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