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Is Obama Speech Site Contaminated by Nazi Past?
Speigel ^ | 7/20/08

Posted on 07/20/2008 7:58:56 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

Finally, Barack Obama's campaign has settled on a site for his Berlin speech. But some German politicians have now criticized his choice as being one full of Nazi-related symbolism.

Barack Obama will hold his speech at the Siegessäule monument in the heart of the city, according to an announcement made by his campaign office in Chicago on Sunday. In his speech, he will speak about the "historic US-German partnership" and about the importance of strengthening trans-Atlantic relations, according to his campaign team.

Still, even as the issue of his speech's location has now been settled, a number of politicians in Berlin are still dissatisfied with the site. The Siegessäule -- or Victory Column -- was erected in memory of Prussia's victories over Denmark (1864), Austria (1866) and France (1870/71). The column originally stood in front of the Reichstag, Germany's parliament building, but was moved by Adolf Hitler to its current location in 1939 to make way for his planned transformation of Berlin into the Nazi capital "Germania."

"The Siegessäule in Berlin was moved to where it is now by Adolf Hitler. He saw it as a symbol of German superiority and of the victorious wars against Denmark, Austria and France," the deputy leader of the Free Democrats, Rainer Brüderle, told Bild am Sonntag. He raised the question as to "whether Barack Obama was advised correctly in his choice of the Siegessäule as the site to hold a speech on his vision for a more cooperative world."

Andreas Schockenhoff of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats said, "the Siegessäule in Berlin is dedicated to a victory over neighbors who are today our European friends and allies. It is a problematic symbol."

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Germany; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: blueturban; nazi; obama; obamasbigadventure; obamavisit; victorycolumn
This is not the same article published earlier under a similar title.
1 posted on 07/20/2008 7:58:56 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
"This is not the same article published earlier under a similar title."

Ah, the old Jedi mind trick eh?

2 posted on 07/20/2008 8:07:27 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I think for a contestant to pretend that he is a Head of State is disgusting and pathetic. For the mews media to go along with this is revolting, and a sickening portent of times to come.

Heil Obama!


3 posted on 07/20/2008 8:07:38 PM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
*snicker*
4 posted on 07/20/2008 8:08:16 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
With 300 foreign policy advisors, you'd think he could avoid this kind of stupidity.

But hubris is hard to control.

5 posted on 07/20/2008 8:08:38 PM PDT by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He's so far to the left, he'll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)
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To: maica

Elsewhere it was pointed out that it was Hitler who installed a new column for the statue, raising is to it’s current 226 feet.


6 posted on 07/20/2008 8:10:10 PM PDT by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He's so far to the left, he'll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)
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To: maica

Sounds like the Civilian Volunteer Defense Corps needs to “meet” with those whining Germans, and “urge” them to get with the program/s


7 posted on 07/20/2008 8:15:43 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: DeaconBenjamin

What a perfect pairing....a Socialist who seeks to Nationalize our resources and economy, speaking at one of the holiest sites of National Socialism....the irony can not be lost on Germans....this is not to say that Obama is Hitlerian, I do however think that in some measure he aspires to be America’s Robert Mugabe...

Remember, it was the Nazis who first devised the enviromental movement and tied it to religious symbolism, if you doubt it, just click the link and look at what eco fascism promised..Hitler loved it....

http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/germany/sp001630/ecofasc.html


8 posted on 07/20/2008 8:15:54 PM PDT by RadioCirca1970 (Banner 17!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

“Sieg heil, mutha”.


9 posted on 07/20/2008 8:19:50 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: maica
That's what this speech is shaping up to look like- Obama is already POTUS, and is campaigning for a political deal with Germany's government and pacifying the German people so they agree with it.

Either that or the "Messiah" is getting ready to announce that he is indeed Christ returned, and will soon be claiming the throne of his "church" in Rome.

It will be interesting to see if it ends with a series of "zig Hi" salutes with millions of Germans standing in the square returning the salute.

I'm still waiting for his media puppets to report all the "facts" he's finding on this fact finding tour. So far all I see is "Obama is lord" cheering and photo ops.

10 posted on 07/20/2008 8:28:54 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: DeaconBenjamin
To paraphrase a former Nazi professor I once heard of; “if Nazism ever comes to America, it will not be German Nazism, it will be American Nazism, and rooted in your culture and history.”
11 posted on 07/20/2008 8:31:22 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Frank_2001
"Civilian Volunteer Defense Corps"

will expose clandestine drug users (smokers).

yitbos

12 posted on 07/20/2008 8:31:34 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: RadioCirca1970
"What a perfect pairing....a Socialist who seeks to Nationalize globalize our resources and economy,... Fixed.
13 posted on 07/20/2008 8:32:14 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: RadioCirca1970

Interesting site. People need to be made aware that Obama’s enviromental policies are taken directly from these Hitlers Nazi policies, that Hitler\ and Obama’s socialist societal dreams are one and the same.


14 posted on 07/20/2008 8:38:56 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
"That's what this speech is shaping up to look like- Obama is already POTUS..."

This mindset is already here in America. One of my coworkers made a statement the other day that floored me. She said that she already considered Obama to be the president, and that the upcoming election is just ceremonial; it's a done deal.

She began to list all of the utopian things that Obama is going to do -- it was delusional, and she was as serious as a heart attack. He truly is Obamessiah in her mind.

15 posted on 07/20/2008 8:39:57 PM PDT by scott7278 ("Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I would like to know what we are talking about.")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Very fitting for the Jews who are supporting. The Messiah goes from Yad Veshem to the site Hitler gave speeches from to his Hitler Youth. This a a preamble to his Mile High adress at the DNC convention.

This is the Moment This is the day and place or our the Messiah’s arrival to be President of the 57 States of AmriKa and late the President of the world. On nation at a time Obama moves forward.


16 posted on 07/20/2008 8:40:24 PM PDT by ncfool (Barack show us the birth certificate. Obama the Manchurian Candidate .)
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To: RadioCirca1970
this is not to say that Obama is Hitlerian>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I disagree. I believe that Obama is a messianic fascist dictator in the making. A close examination of Obama's role in the Kenyan election, where Dick Morris was Rial Odinga's advisor, the use of black power natyionalism in a neocolonial fashion in a country with very stauch tribal polics, the purposeful destabilization of Kenyan society, the subsequent riots and inter tibal genocide, ALL point to the budding fascist character of Obama.

Obama is a black power nationalist socialist.

Obam is one step away from being able to implement his nationalist black power agenda.If he is elected, he will balkanize America, and turn it into a police state.

This is the very reason that Jesse Jackson does not trust Obama.

Obama is a fascist.

17 posted on 07/20/2008 8:47:08 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Expose Obama))
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I get the feeling that this idiot is going to try and redo the famous JFK speech - ‘I am a jellyroll!’


18 posted on 07/20/2008 8:53:43 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Don't cheer for Obama too hard - the krinton syndicate is moving back into the WH.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

“Heil Hussein! Sieg heil!”


19 posted on 07/20/2008 8:55:45 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

20 posted on 07/20/2008 9:31:03 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: cookcounty

Obamadumbo didn’t learn GERMAN in school, though he wants everyone else to learn a second language. Apparently he and his advisors didn’t study history, either.

And this man is going to be president of the US?

Damned, RuPaul and Dennis UFO Kucinich are beginning to look good (Cynthia McKinney will never look good - sorry).

Next Obama will be like John Belushi in “Animal House” and have the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

Just can’t wait to see what this mental midget says next.

“Eich Bin Ein Beginner?”


21 posted on 07/20/2008 9:55:26 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Candor7

He definitely has fascist leanings. We have to pray that McCain wins by a huge margin, or else there will be riots in many cities. Maybe we can pray for an early snow storm if the Electoral College vote is close.

The voters who believe that he is the messiah, the same ones who believe that OJ is innocent, will never believe that Obama could lose in a fair election. Obviously if democrats win the election is fair. If Republicans win, they cheated.—— according to the mindset of MANY Americans.


22 posted on 07/21/2008 3:42:00 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

RE: What will he say next....

He explained why he was touring to speak with all these national leaders by saying that these were the people that he would be dealing with for the next 8 to 10 years!

Images of Mugabe and Chavez immediately spring to my mind.


23 posted on 07/21/2008 3:50:03 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: Nathan Zachary

RE: the throne in Rome....

I am sure that Obama got the idea for giving his acceptance speech in the stadium in Denver from images of popes speaking to stadiums full of people.

One funny thing, he has not clinched his nomination yet officially. I guess all the superdelegates have been told how they are going to vote on the day!!! In true union fashion, the bosses know best!!!! The rank and file must obey or else....!


24 posted on 07/21/2008 3:57:26 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

They expect up to 1 million onlookers at his speech!


25 posted on 07/21/2008 4:08:23 AM PDT by avid
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Is Obama Speech Site Contaminated by Nazi Past?

No. It was a Nazi site, known to be a Nazi site, and chosen anyway for Imamobama. The site is further contaminated by the hubris of yet another megalomaniac racist politician.
26 posted on 07/21/2008 4:12:11 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Since the Nazis controlled all of Germany and used every foot of it, one way or another, the only way that a site in Germany could be free of Nazi contamination would be if it was built after WWII.


27 posted on 07/21/2008 4:14:24 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Is Obama Speech Site Contaminated by Nazi Past?

Its perfectly appropriate for someone who has advocated a Gestapo-like security force for the US.

28 posted on 07/21/2008 4:18:11 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: avid
Obama is ready speak to the Masses of Germany in preperation for his accending to Mile High Stadium in Denver.

Long live the Messiah! Heil Messiah.

Obama at Mile High Stadium

Even the PUMA's Get this message, From a PUMA Blog:
We the P.U.M.A members of the party are very upset as the party is now being run by Hitler style tactics.

Your slash and burn ways of politics is not what American are looking for in President. Your grandstanding way of trying to fill Mile-high stadium reminds us all who are old enough of the way Hitler filled the parade grounds during his rise to power in the 1930's.

You call for national service! Hitler did the same thing.

So pull off your facade and we can see that America's party the Democratic party is becoming the Nazi party of 2008.

29 posted on 07/21/2008 7:12:53 AM PDT by ncfool (Barack show us the birth certificate. Obama the Manchurian Candidate .)
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To: beethovenfan

“Wachad(one)Jihad
Wachad Ummah
Wachad Obama!”


30 posted on 07/21/2008 9:41:49 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: ncfool

The Obamination will merely substitute a jackass and a crtesnent for swastikas..


31 posted on 07/21/2008 9:45:26 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: maica
Obviously if democrats win the election is fair. If Republicans win, they cheated.—— according to the mindset of MANY Americans.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And that puts paid to the argument of how a fascist movement begins, it always begins with disaffected liberal socialists.

Pray to G_D it will not be lock and load time for the militia, the last bastion we have against fascism. We already have to patrol our own borders.

32 posted on 07/21/2008 3:20:01 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Expose Obama))
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