Rectangular, no?
Posted on 07/21/2008 6:46:11 AM PDT by cowboyway
ABC News' Jan Simmonds reports: Republican vice presidential prospect Gov. Mark Sanford, R-S.C., told reporters today that removing the Confederate flag from the grounds of South Carolina's Statehouse would not be a priority during his final years in office.
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This rules out Sanford.
The last thing McPain needs is to hand them an easy racial issue like this.
Romney or Palin.
My dream pick - Thomas Sowell!
“McCain wouldn’t get a single additional black vote if he supported a total public ban on the Confederate Battle flag.”
McCain wouldn’t get a single additional black vote if he walked on water and fed thousands with a few fish and loaves of bread.
It is not about the issues. IT is ALL about the melanin.
Votes or no votes, I am sick of listening to the radical leftist MSM try to re-write American history. And that flag is part of our history.
All the black-vote-panderers can go pound sand. The blacks are going to vote for The Obamination because he is a DEMORAT and because he is PART BLACK. They don’t care about much else so FLY THE FLAG!!!
“VP Prospect Sanford Says Confederate Flag Issue Not a Priority”
It isn’t. Anyone that believes otherwise was going to vote for Bambi anyway.
“McCain wouldn’t get a single additional black vote if he supported a total public ban on the Confederate Battle flag.”
I think that everyone should start flying the Confederate Flag. Maybe we could start the civil war over again.
Bingo !
An amateur historian, I never really can understand why S.C. continues to fly the wrong “Confederate” flag if, indeed, it wants to fly one. The rectangular flag with the blue cross of St. Andrew and 13 stars on a red back background is the Confederate naval ensign (although some units of the Army of Tennessee used a similiar one). The inpiration was taken from the SQUARE Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia where most units of S.C. fought and S.C.’s Gen. Wade Hampton (Lee’s great cavalry officer) aerved. If S.C. wants a confederate flag that is rectangular, at least fly the “correct” confederate flag. The last official one was the “Stainless”.
Why is it that, with many threads, so many folks at FR miss the point and focus on pet issues?
The point here is that regardless of how one feels about this flag, it would be a a mistake to tap Sanford because it would be tailor made for the MSM’s “Republicans are racist” meme.
Simply because, right flag or no, a symbol is a symbol is a symbol.
That IS the flag that is currently flying on the Confederate Memorial.
Political correctness knows no bounds..........even here on FR..............
Okay, thanks, stand corrected...the one over the capitol building used to be a rectangular one (the same kind carried by the KKK).
Proud to know that Sanford is not caving in to the leftists. Of all the issues facing Sanford, this is the silliest.
Will anyone in the dim bulb media tell the public that the flag was put up by DEMOCRAT Fritz Hollings?
I'd rather McCain pick Sanford and hear a full debate on the issues, particularly affirmative action.
That is not the Confederate soldier’s memorial. Looks like an old pic of the State House flagpole.
Sigh...
I’m talking about campaign strategy.
Sorry - I disagree.
With this particular election, strategy and tactics will have a huge impact in the outcome.
I appreciate the conservative purity that many at FR advocate, but that boat ain’t gonna sail at this point.
FYI, the flag you pictured has been down for a number of years. The flag in question is the one on the Statehouse grounds as the Confederate Monument.
“..........the flag was put up by DEMOCRAT Fritz Hollings”.
So what!
Sigh......
I'm talking about principle.
You can go down that road but you'll do it without me.
At the end of the day I'd rather be able to look myself in the mirror and know that I'd done the right thing.
The Naval Jack that was flying on top of the Statehouse in Columbia came down several years ago (I stood in my wife’s window, on the 10th floor of an apartment building looking out at the dome, and watched them lower it for the last time). Currently the “Confederate flag” they’re talking about is a roughly four-foot-square Army of Northern Virginia battle flag reproduction, which flies on a flagpole behind the Confederate Soldiers’ Memorial at the corner of Main and Gervais, on one side of the Statehouse grounds. See #26 for a picture; that picture was taken from the Statehouse grounds facing away, north up Main Street.
What the picture doesn’t show you is that the flagpole and flag are protected by a man-height fence, after vandalism from some of the local black agitators. To my knowledge, the African-American monument on the Statehouse grounds has never been similarly vandalized.
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BTW, that Naval Jack was put on the Statehouse in the early 1960s by DEMOCRAT Governor Ernest “Fritz” “Foghorn Leghorn” Hollings. Allegedly it was to celebrate the centennial of the WBTS, but oddly enough, it never came down after 1965.
The NAACP started making it a major issue in the mid-1990s with their “boycott” of South Carolina. In reality, tourism went up during that time. Even black events like the massive Atlantic Beach Black Bike Week over Memorial Day weekend still flourished. The only people who really ever took the boycott seriously were the NCAA, who moved a couple of post-season games out of SC, and the Democratic Party, who wouldn’t let national candidates spend money in SC when campaigning. The only people that got seriously hurt by it were black tour operators in the Lowcountry, who saw their black-themed Gullah/Geechee Sea Island tours dry up.
Republican Governor David Beasley ran on a platform opposing removing the flag. Once he got in office, he flipped and started negotiating with the NAACP. The flip enraged conservative voters in SC and was probably the major factor in Beasley getting blown out in his re-election bid and replaced with Democrat Jim Hodges. Hodges came to a compromise with black legislators. The flag would come off the dome, and in its place, the current ANV battle flag would be placed behind the existing Confederate Soldiers’ Memorial—the flag that the soldiers represented by the memorial fought and died under, as most SC troops served in Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia. Also, an African-American memorial was built on another portion of the Statehouse grounds.
The NAACP never really let it go. For all I know, technically, they’re still “boycotting” South Carolina because that flag sits at a busy intersection—even though most days it’s limp and hard to spot BEHIND a 25-foot statue—and just barely on the Statehouse grounds. Every so often, a race agitator like a Joe Darby or Darrell Jackson would bring it up. But for the most part, after the Naval Jack came down and the smaller square flag went up, folks of all races got over it and moved on, seeing it as a fair compromise. It just became another part of the scenery of Columbia.
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I wish the party of Lncoln wouldn’t get involved with the Confederate flag one way or another. That’s a Democratic flag and the Democrats ought to be the people that have to worry about it.
I don't believe party affiliation is applicable anymore.
And based on my travels, I don't believe the Confederate Battle flag is regional, either.
Along with a lot of Confederate Battle flags.
Something tells me that pleases you to no end. You'd rather see a good conservative like Sanford rejected for VP, in favor of a pseudo conservative like Romney. LOL
I am just saying because the sheeple think of the flag as hate so they try to associate it with republicans and do not mention that a demoncrat put it up. I was born and raised in SC and I like the damn thing. I hope they leave it up.
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Check out some of the civil war threads around here. You'd think it never ended.
The whole confederate states idea was a Democratic cause to begin with.
Yep. I remember when some pro-flag protestors would stand in the medians at Assembly and Gervais and wave various Confederate flags around during afternoon rush hour. Saw several go up out in Lexington County as well.
Living there at the time, honestly, as pro-Southern as I am, I was never comfortable with the Naval Jack flying OVER the Statehouse. That is considered a “position of sovereignty” and should only be occupied by the US and state flags. That was the core of the compromise that Hodges brokered with some black members of the General Assembly, infuriating the NAACP in the process. What flies there now is a soldiers’ flag, at a soldiers’ memorial. In most peoples’ opinion, it’s an appropriate display, and after a while, only the most irreconcible elements on both sides kept going on about it.
You’d never know it by the MSM, but I’ll say this—in the 7 1/2 years I lived in Columbia, I always saw race relations as pretty good. None of the black people I worked with gave much of a damn about the flag even when it was over the Statehouse. After they took it down and put up the one at the monument, it completely dropped off most peoples’ radar and the NAACP “boycott” completely fizzled. Mark Sanford is 100% right not to touch it again. It’s a scab that has healed over except for out-of-town agitators, and liberal media looking to cause trouble.
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Right...my point is that S.C. should have never put up the “wrong” flag to begin with...should have used one of the three “official” flags of the CSA. (At least, that way, it couldn’t be argued that it was “the same one” that hate groups such as the KKK use at rallies, etc.—not that it would have satisfied race hustlers, however, but it would have at least been a technical point in defense of the flag)>:{
Unfortunately, Thomas Sowell is too old. The MSM would have a field day with “two old guys” as a Presidential ticket, and this also rules out everybody else who is either close to McCain in age or looks old from seriously being McCain’s final VP pick, IMHO.
It should be occupied by what ever the people of that state want up there.
If the people of Kalifornia want a damn rainbow flag, that's their business.
If the people of Kansas want an Obama flag, that's their business.
States rights.
Sure, it worked for Presidents Strom Thurmond and George Wallace.
McCain could also pick up a lot of cheap fireworks at the same time.
If McCain flew any Confederate flag at his campaign rallies it would be flipping the finger at the rest of the country. For some people that's a real turn-on, but we'd lose five or ten votes for every one we picked up.
This is not a question of conservative purity - that's a relatively minor component of the political calculation aspects of this issue. The reason to not shrink from this issue and the Dem's attempts to use it is precisely because it would be GOOD strategy and tactics to shove it right back down their throats. If we had a Repub candidate with the courage to directly confront and go on offense against a MSM which attempted to employ this "racist meme" it would backfire on them big-time and give him a tremendous boost.
For example, if the response was something along the lines of "With all of the dire problems facing the American people at this time, from spiraling energy and fuel prices, to health care and educational systems which are crumbling and imploding, to the threats to our national security posed by both foreign terrorist enemies and our unsecured borders which leave an open door for those enemies to come in and repeat their attacks here, for the Democrats and their media enablers to attempt this sort of race-baiting distraction from the real problems facing the American people is an intolerable outrage. This sort of cheap demagoguery simply illustrates the bankruptcy of their ideas and reminds the American people that they have no real solutions to the real problems that Americans want solved."
If we had any leaders with the guts to do something like this the American people would rally to him or her. There is a real hunger out there for some principled leadership. People are sick and tired of the media propaganda and manipulation, the corruption of their politicians and the constant attempts of these elites to cram their PC fascism down their throats.
The conventional wisdom that no politician can afford to antagonize the media is simply wrong. The American people despise both the MSM and Congress and any politician principled enough, smart enough and brave enough to take them on would, with the people behind him, simply roll over them.
Unfortunately, and by design, we don't have any candidates who meet those criteria... and the system is set up to prevent any who do from being nominated...
Your sources to back this up is?
Are you to going to now play all Confedrerates are Democrats crad N-S?
They were.
Your REPUBLICAN President spoke in favor of Sesscion in 1848 he said the following: Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing govrenment, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most vaulable, a most sacred right-a right which we hope and belive is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolunionzie, and make their own of so much territory as they inhabit.
There you go Lincoln who was the first REPUBLICAN President spoke in favor of secession in 1848.
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