Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 07/21/2008 8:26:32 AM PDT by saminfl
Carbon Offsetting Option Continental is committed to promoting environmental responsibility within its culture, which includes helping our customers to respond to concerns about climate change with a carbon offsetting option. We've partnered with Sustainable Travel International ("STI"), a non-profit organization dedicated to providing education and services that support environmental conservation, to provide this option to customers. If you want to leave continental.com to learn more about STI or to purchase carbon offsets from STI for this itinerary, go to sustainabletravelinternational.org/sti_offset_air/flights/c/2.
CO2 Offset Calculation for your Continental Airlines itinerary Total Passengers 1 Flight segments VPS SLC VPS SLC
Flight type Round trip Total flight distance 3178 miles / 5114 km Metric tons CO2 0.4774 Please select one of the following Offset Projects $5.73 International Reforestation Projects Projects to recreate critical forests and provide incentives to protect critical forest land and avoid the cutting of trees. Projects are designed using the standards set forth by the Climate, Community, and Biodiversity Alliance (www.climate-standards.org).
$15.00 U.S. Renewable Energy Projects Renewable energy projects such as wind farms that are used to generate clean energy in the western U.S. Bonneville Environmental foundation provides STI with Green-e certified (www.green-e.org), 100% renewable green tags for this program.
$16.71 Gold Standard Projects Renewable energy and energy efficiency projects are inspected and validated by Clean Development Mechanism accredited Designated Operational Entities including The Gold Standard (www.cdmgoldstandard.org).
$10.79 Combination of several offset Projects (calculated based on 25% Gold Standard, 25% U.S. Renewable Energy Projects, 50% International Reforestation Projects)
For more information on the Donation Projects (note: a new browser window will pop-up):
However, there is no action that I can determine, taken by this organization. It appears it is just a way to collect your money. Go to their website and look for your self.
Does anyone know if the other airlines are doing this? I am through with Continental.
Just flew Continental to Amsterdam and KLM to Istanbul. KLM allows to pay a carbon tax.
BUT, this is just the beginning. EuroLand is planning a carbon tax on ALL aircraft landing in Euroland. So, gone will be the voluntary donation. Of course, this will raise tickets on US carriers that are already struggling. Euroland denies that they subsidize their airlines —— but everyone knows there are ways to subsidize an industry without making it blatantly obvious.
So, Continental probably sees the futures.
Continental has always pissed me off, to no end.
I love how they used to post little stickers on the side of their planes, visible to the left of the door as you enter the fuselage. They always showed how they were constantly “#1 In Employee Satisfaction”.
I guess they got tired of me asking why they were never #1 in CUSTOMER SATISFACTION, because it looks like they finally removed them.
And, now this.
I’m still not gonna select any of those offset options.
I’m fully committed to ENLARGING my ‘carbon footprint” with a new house, boat, whatever. You name it.
LoL, the goldbugs even found a way into this debate.
The Gold Standard is a certification scheme that recognizes the best projects in the Clean Development Mechanism (CDM), Joint Implementation (JI) and voluntary offset markets. The brand has value because over 44 non governmental organizations endorse the Gold Standard method and many buyers (see marketplace) favor or request Gold Standard credits.
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Apparently, there is at least one born every minute.
What a ripoff. I was offered a carbon offset from a different airline for $1.50! Now that was a deal! I bought 10 and am set for the whole year!!!! Really, what can $1.50 or even $15 buy to counteract the CO2 released from a jet?
I booked a flight on Air Canada’s Web site last night, and they offered (not in an attempt to force me to, though) the opportunity to offset my flight by purchasing carbon credits ($11.20 worth). I didn’t check the option.
I’ve been wondering where the next boom market is going to be. We had microcomputers, pharamceuticals, internet, real estate, mortgages, and now we are moving through energy markets. It appears that the voluntary offsets portion of the economy is poised to explode. The concept of VO may be flawed to those who think, but those who feel want to feel good. VO gives them the means, and they will do their 10% that way. The list given might be a good place to start if people want to invest and increase their carbon footprint at the expense of the feelgoods.
They need to provide a “Go Pound Sand” check box on those web forms!
Might as well make some money on probable bull market.
And these Gore-bull warming alarmists are fully committed to making sure you pay for every inch of it. A carbon tax on every foot of lumber you build your house with, a carbon tax on every HP your outboard produces (doesn't even matter if it's a "clean" 4 cycle) And carbon tax on every gallon of gas it burns.
They'll carbon tax your boat launch membership fee's, your fishing license, your boat trailer license, your boat insurance, and your boat operators permit.
I don't think I need to list everything inside your home that can be considered for carbon taxes, you get the idea now.
It's not about reducing carbon, it's all about taxation.
Nothing. Besides, CO2 isn't a pollutant.
I booked international flights on Expedia recently, and for the first time came across a page before the final review page, which had an option to buy carbon offset.
Domestic flights were something like 10 bucks, while international flights were about $30 if memory serves.
Would love to know where that money goes.
My guess is to some guys pocket who just happens to be laughing.
LOL!
Couldn’t agree more.
Clearly things are heading that way, there is much talk of some carbon producers buying unused "carbon use" allotments from other companies.
So if I become a non-producing business, can I just sell "my own" carbon credits to other companies?
Who pays this, everyone? Is this based on a consumer average? I know the provincial liberal government there is carbon crazy, along with half the moonbats that live there, and have already implemented a carbon tax on gasoline (does that mean gasoline is now except from provincial carbon tax calculations?). As the carbon craze grows, you are going to see a lot of "tax on tax" situations in that province.
Next to be hit is a carbon tax on stumpage fee's charged to lumber companies I'll bet.
Woe be to those who cut down the "carbon sink".
I was thinking more along the lines of buying stock in the companies that purport to sell offsets and fulfill them. The ones that plants the actual trees, or buy up tracts of land for wind farms. During the intermnet boom, people didn't go out and buy internets, they bought stock in Cisco and Netscape and AOL.
I'm not sure how it works, but some of the newer ethanol and bio fuel plants are so efficient, that they are generating "carbon tax credits" (which are worth $30 each) which directly increases their bottom line financial earnings.
This is really ticking off the Gore-Bull warming pundits, because they were expecting these companies to BUY carbon offsets, not produce them for profit.
They didn't expect American capitalists to figure out a way to tuen it into a money maker, thus keeping American dollars in America.
There goes my plans for a Retirement European trip. Screw them all! After all, there is no more Europe.
That was my wife's first comment.
The primary evidence that CO2 and the greenhouse effect have anything to do with raising global temperature is missing entirely. It isn't there.
No Smoking Hot Spot (The Australian)
That is a short and easily understandable article showing the plain truth. The hinge pin that links global temperature to the greenhouse effect is missing. It is easily measurable and hundreds of probes have done so.
I think you are correct as far as the airline not intentionally trying to dupe anyone. But, as far as I am concerned, that Sustainable Travel organization is certainly trying to dupe everyone. They do not list one thing they are going to use the money for. I suspect all the dollars are going into keeping the organization's executives living the lifestyle they want to live.
“Actual carbon taxes would (will?) be in the order of $100/ton CO2 — which would mean paying 3 or 4 times the amounts mentioned in the “choices”. The warmists want to lull people into thinking that getting “off oil” will be relatively painless.
(BTW, I didn’t just pull the $100 figure from the air. Here, in Canada, our federal Liberal party is promising a tax of $40/tonne of carbon — that’s over $120/ton CO2. Meanwhile, in BC, we already have a provincial carbon tax that will rise to $30/tonne in 2012 — that’s nearly $100/ton CO2.)”
Don’t you mean that backwards?
C=12; O=16; 12+16+16=48, C=1/4CO2...
The sleight-of-hand that allows this is that biofuels supposedly turn old CO2 into recycled new CO2 rather than additional CO2 added to the ‘burden.’
Carbon offsets goes to plant trees? Trees produce CO2 carbons. The offsets should go to cutting down the trees. Am I right or what?
“Don’t you mean that backwards?”
No, I don’t think so — although you had me going back to the calculator & sharpening my pencil.
A tax of $30/ton Carbon = 30 X 44/12 = $110/ton CO2 (I approximated from there, to take into account the difference between a metric tonne, and a standard ton).
No doubt about it. I put them in the same category as the “fair trade” organizations, which have us all paying extra for coffee, chocolate, etc. in the name of “fair trade”. Of course, these organizations are the sole arbiters of what's “fair” & they take a few points off the top for their endorsement.
If they just took money from moonbats, who believe their fairy tales; I wouldn't mind so much. However, the next step is to pass laws, so that everyone pays.
I am afraid that is going to happen.
Expedia iss doing it too. Needless to say I did NOT purchase any!
Are the screaming greenies buying them or just feeling guilty when they click on past the option to purchase carbon credits pretending to not see them?
Someone should start a thread on DU.
There is still only one ton of carbon; if the tax is on carbon it doesn’t matter what the total weight of CO2 is, now if the tax is on CO2 weight then you are correct.
You are right — I was fixated on a $100/tonne carbon tax cost, because I had just read some articles by local activists calling for that amount of tax here.
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