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Home invasion by the State (UK)
The Sun UK ^ | 7/21/08 | GEORGE PASCOE-WATSON

Posted on 07/21/2008 9:26:41 AM PDT by ellery

HOMEOWNERS must let council inspectors in to check for DANCING BEARS after they were handed 1,043 powers to pry.

Armies of clipboard-touting officials can demand entry to check on everything from pot plants to fridges.

Details of the vast array of laws were quietly slipped out to MPs last Tuesday by the Home Office.

The list includes 430 new powers of entry brought in by Labour ministers – a year after a report said there were only 266.

The checks include whether POT PLANTS have pests or imported “passport” documents, or if HYPNOTISM is being practised illegally.

Inspectors can demand to know if homeowners are keeping RABBITS.

Brits must also reveal if their HEDGE is too high under the AntiSocial Behaviour Act, and whether their FRIDGE has the correct EU energy rating under little-known Energy Information Household Refrigerators and Freezers Regulations 2004.

Bureaucrats can also make a sweep for WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

Additionally, penpushers are embarking on a new council tax regime. It allows them to poke around a home and fine those who refuse access.

Invasion of privacy ... what the snoopers can ask In 2007 Gordon Brown promised a bonfire of petty rules – yet 16 more have become law since he became PM.

Tory spokesman Eric Pickles said: “The rights and liberties of law-abiding citizens are being eroded.

“We will cut unnecessary powers of the state to enter homes, starting with council tax inspectors’ rights of entry.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; bigbrother; fourthamendment; jbts; policestate; privacy; uk; wod
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1 posted on 07/21/2008 9:26:41 AM PDT by ellery
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To: traviskicks; Gabz

ping


2 posted on 07/21/2008 9:27:12 AM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: ellery

I bet a lot of them are now wishing they had not just stood by and let their government take away their guns.


3 posted on 07/21/2008 9:29:08 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: ellery

So when does Britain officially get the title of Police State?


4 posted on 07/21/2008 9:32:14 AM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: ellery

“Thought criminal!”


5 posted on 07/21/2008 9:32:31 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: ellery

When they outlaw dancing bears, only outlaws will have dancing bears.


6 posted on 07/21/2008 9:33:11 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: ellery

Who knew that Monty Python was actually a documentary?


7 posted on 07/21/2008 9:35:41 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Vigilantism will arise where the justice system is viewed as overly lenient and/or ineffective.)
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To: ellery

Council inspectors? This is for folks who live in public housing? Doesn’t our HUD do something similar?


8 posted on 07/21/2008 9:36:32 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: ellery
AntiSocial Behaviour Act

Anything with a title like that doesn't belong in a country where I live. Imagine the mischief that the nanny state, political correctors or the anti-gun types could make. The Bill of Rights does make a difference.

9 posted on 07/21/2008 9:36:46 AM PDT by JimSEA (just another liberal-bashing fearmonger)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

“Can we have your liver?”

Only a matter of time, now, I guess.


10 posted on 07/21/2008 9:39:17 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: ellery
"... Brits must also reveal if their HEDGE is too high under the AntiSocial Behaviour Act."

WHAT... THE...

11 posted on 07/21/2008 9:40:04 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: ellery; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ...

UK Nanny State Ping.


12 posted on 07/21/2008 9:40:31 AM PDT by Gabz (You said WHAT?????????)
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To: ellery

The Brits were doing this crap in 1776 when we declared independence. The psychology of the country hasn’t changed in 230 years, it has simply reached the logical fruition of its underlying psychoses.


13 posted on 07/21/2008 9:45:10 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: ellery

2nd Amendment bump! The Brits have become a complete and total nanny-state that the hard-core Communists of the old Soviet Union would envy. The next time I hear of anyone saying the SAS are hard-core special operations troops I am going to have to assume the SAS is made of foreigners because the nancyboys from England cannot possibly be that tough.


14 posted on 07/21/2008 9:46:15 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Hegemony Cricket
Who knew that Monty Python was actually a documentary?

The Cat Inspector Van.

15 posted on 07/21/2008 9:47:07 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: mdmathis6

“The Brits were doing this crap in 1776 when we declared independence. The psychology of the country hasn’t changed in 230 years”

Yep. Nothing has changed. They believe the people exist to support the government.


16 posted on 07/21/2008 9:47:08 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: mewzilla

I had a dear friend years ago who lived in Section 8 housing, and they did come and inspect. Her prep for their visit was to clean. I’m sure they checked for more than cleanliness, but I got the gist that they were checking you hadn’t trashed the place.


17 posted on 07/21/2008 9:48:09 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us -nature photography desktop wallpapers)
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To: ellery
Try keeping the local building or health inspectors off your property, and see how long it lasts... right here is Amerika! Add to that, Social Workers, the game warden, and the tax assessor, and they have unlimited access, WITHOUT ANY WARRANT.

It's "for the chil'run".

18 posted on 07/21/2008 9:49:44 AM PDT by WVKayaker (NobamaNation, just RNC Abomination... Where's Fred when we need him?)
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To: visualops

Looking for vandalism, drugs and firearms. I can understand the need. If it’s part of the public housing regs and folks don’t like it, they can move.


19 posted on 07/21/2008 9:50:58 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: WVKayaker

I’ve never had any trouble whatsoever keeping them off my property.


20 posted on 07/21/2008 9:53:01 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: ellery
HOMEOWNERS must let council inspectors in to check for DANCING BEARS after they were handed 1,043 powers to pry

Writs of Assitance writ large.

21 posted on 07/21/2008 9:53:33 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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To: WVKayaker

Everyone but the tax assessor, of course.

But NONE of those people has ever been inside my HOUSE uninvited.


22 posted on 07/21/2008 9:54:18 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


23 posted on 07/21/2008 9:54:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ellery

Its a madhouse


24 posted on 07/21/2008 9:58:52 AM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: ellery
“The rights and liberties of law-abiding citizens are being eroded. "

Naw Mate... your Rights and Liberties are already GONE. Wake up and smell the police State.

25 posted on 07/21/2008 10:05:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: WVKayaker
Try keeping the local building or health inspectors off your property, and see how long it lasts... right here is Amerika! Add to that, Social Workers, the game warden, and the tax assessor, and they have unlimited access, WITHOUT ANY WARRANT.

Thank God for Texas.

26 posted on 07/21/2008 10:05:58 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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To: mewzilla

No, I believe this applies to all homeowners. From everything I’ve read, “council inspectors” represent local government councils.

Here’s a link to the police “powers of entry” document: http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/operational-policing/powers-entry-premises-legislatio


27 posted on 07/21/2008 10:07:21 AM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

HEDGEJUMPING!
Oh to be young again!


28 posted on 07/21/2008 10:12:18 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: ellery
Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

With every one of these type stories, I'm increasingly convinced that Great Britons are deeply sorry for their NEGLECT over the centuries to develop and adopt a constitution that defines and limits the powers of the various levels of their government.

They are now reaping the whirlwind of their shortsightedness.

29 posted on 07/21/2008 10:12:50 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: ellery

I wonder if the homes of immigrants in immigrant neighborhoods will be subjected to this, or if the immigrants will be allowed to implement their own law.


30 posted on 07/21/2008 10:13:36 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: ellery

One notes that Brits do not own 286 million private firearms as do we in the US...


31 posted on 07/21/2008 10:21:11 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: ellery; Gabz

BTTT!


32 posted on 07/21/2008 10:37:51 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: WayneS

Why is that then? If we had guns, would we blast the council snoopers when they knocked on our door?!

Yes solve our problem of invasion of privacy by getting sent down for a stretch in the slammer. There of course, your privacy is assured...


33 posted on 07/21/2008 10:58:57 AM PDT by Mercia
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To: The KG9 Kid

If the neighbours hedges are 30ft high and blocking out the sun, this means we can get them to trim it. Without resorting to a standoff at the OK Corral.


34 posted on 07/21/2008 11:00:59 AM PDT by Mercia
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To: mdmathis6

“The Brits were doing this crap in 1776 when we declared independence. The psychology of the country hasn’t changed in 230 years”

The man speaks as though with a first hand knowledge. I salute you Sir, for being the oldest man alive! 232 years old!


35 posted on 07/21/2008 11:02:43 AM PDT by Mercia
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To: CodeToad

...The next time I hear of anyone saying the SAS are hard-core special operations troops I am going to have to assume the SAS is made of foreigners because the nancyboys from England cannot possibly be that tough...

You toss her! You toss her!!!!

FYI: Great Britain aka, the UK, Britain. Made up of different countries yeah? England yeah? Scotland yeah? Wales yeah? Northern Ireland yeah?

Why is it that Americans cannot understand the difference between the UK and England???!! Did you do basic geography? I, for instance, know that the state of Idaho isn’t the same thing as the USA. Ok, so the same thing applies in this case. Think of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as ‘states’ in a federation that makes up the geopolitical entity as a whole.

How can you have such a tiny grasp of what we are, and your knowledge is that poor that you hardly seem worthy to comment on the subject in a UK thread.

If you have more questions about geography and the simplicity of understanding the difference between England and the UK, please drop me a line, and I will literally S.P.E.L.L it out for ya!


36 posted on 07/21/2008 11:10:12 AM PDT by Mercia
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To: pabianice

Cos if did we would give those inspectors a bullet from each gun right?!!! I think it tackled idiot comments like this earlier, try and find it.


37 posted on 07/21/2008 11:12:18 AM PDT by Mercia
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To: KrisKrinkle
I wonder if the homes of immigrants in immigrant neighborhoods will be subjected to this, or if the immigrants will be allowed to implement their own law.

It will depend on how frightened of the immigrants the authorities are. In France, can you imagine this sort of petty checking in the "no go" zones?

The generally law-abiding, who live as independent, acculturated, and generally cooperative families don't have this gang protection and are easier targets. It happens here, too, although in different ways.

38 posted on 07/21/2008 11:14:06 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Mercia

Based on your responses to me, and others, I can tell that it would be pointless to even try discuss the “rights of the individual” with you.

I hope you continue to enjoy the totalitarian police state which your country is becoming.

With “subjects” like you, I do not wonder that it has been so easy for your government to drive Great Britain to ever greater levels of collectivism, and to virtually destroy the rights of the individual.


39 posted on 07/21/2008 11:57:43 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: KrisKrinkle

“Their own Law” is a pretty good bet, I think.


40 posted on 07/21/2008 12:01:03 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: mewzilla

The first word in the story is “homeowners”.

I do not think this is aimed at residents of public housing.


41 posted on 07/21/2008 12:02:09 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Mercia
You mean to say that you needed national 'anti-social behavior' legislation for trimming hedges?

Did they consider city ordinances first, or just take this straight to the Queen?

42 posted on 07/21/2008 12:05:01 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Mercia

decaff. try decaff. I grew up in England and know the diff. You sound like one of those techno nerds that has to be technically correct about any subject and is the type of person no one wants to invite to parties because of your poor social skills.


43 posted on 07/21/2008 12:23:39 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Mercia

“The man speaks as though with a first hand knowledge. I salute you Sir, for being the oldest man alive! 232 years old!”

Unlike the Brits, we like to learn from history and plenty was written about it during the Revolutionary War period. First hand, maybe not, but first hand written accounts will do just fine.


44 posted on 07/21/2008 12:26:18 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Mercia

“You toss her!”

It’s “you tosser!” Decorum prevents me from defining the term any further.


45 posted on 07/21/2008 12:39:24 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: ellery; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
Armies of clipboard-touting officials can demand entry to check on everything from pot plants to fridges.

Libertarian ping! To be added or removed freepmail me or post a message here.
46 posted on 07/21/2008 12:45:27 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: CodeToad

...The Brits have become a complete and total nanny-state that the hard-core Communists of the old Soviet Union would envy. The next time I hear of anyone saying the SAS are hard-core special operations troops I am going to have to assume the SAS is made of foreigners because the nancyboys from England cannot possibly be that tough...

If you really grew up in the UK as you claim, then how come you made such a simple mistake? Im curious, because no American, or expat Brit it seems, knows the difference between the UK and England.


47 posted on 07/21/2008 1:08:25 PM PDT by Mercia
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No, I don’t like the totalitarian state I live in. Yes, I wish the concerns of the people were of greater concern to the Government locked in their Ivory Towers.

I was trying to make a tongue in cheek joke. And asking why exactly having guns would stop council snoopers from coming into our houses. After all, this is a thread about about the subject isn’t it?

Take a joke, come on, I thought that the invasion of privacy and prison was quite good...


48 posted on 07/21/2008 1:11:47 PM PDT by Mercia
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To: CodeToad

I that case, I salute you Sir, for having absolutely no sense of humour!

Bravo!

...Unlike the Brits, we like to learn from history...

Actually, you like to STEAL it, but thats another story altogether. Florence Nightingale, A Great American Patriot!!!


49 posted on 07/21/2008 1:14:14 PM PDT by Mercia
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To: Mercia

“I think it tackled idiot comments like this earlier, try and find it”

“tongue in cheek joke”, eh? I think not.

PS - Do NOT send any more e-mails to me.


50 posted on 07/21/2008 1:29:46 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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