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Widow Wants San Francisco Sanctuary Law Changed After Illegal Charged With Murder
FoxNews ^ | 21 July 2008 | FNC

Posted on 07/21/2008 2:38:18 PM PDT by batter

A San Francisco woman whose husband and two sons were gunned down last month — allegedly by an illegal immigrant who remained in the city despite previous crimes — is demanding the city do something about its sanctuary law.

Danielle Bologna was widowed on June 22 when Edwin Ramos, 21, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador, allegedly gunned down her husband, Anthony, and two sons, Matthew and Michael, in a road rage incident when her family was returning from a picnic.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; criminalaliens; gangs; immigrantlist; immigration; nra; sanctuary; sanfrancisco; widow
I think everyone could see this coming.
1 posted on 07/21/2008 2:38:18 PM PDT by batter
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Related post: SAN FRANCISCO: Widow pleads for death penalty

...San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris - who has pledged never to seek the death penalty...

Gotta love San Fransicko.

2 posted on 07/21/2008 2:40:53 PM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: batter
What needs to be done is fire the mayor, sue him and the city.

S.F. is beyond repair, the only thing that will fix that city is something of biblical proportions.

3 posted on 07/21/2008 2:41:18 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: unixfox
S.F. is beyond repair, the only thing that will fix that city is something of biblical proportions.

I don't know...like a plague or something? Is that what you mean? Nothing really comes to mind...

4 posted on 07/21/2008 2:43:05 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can never be obvious enough.)
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To: batter

“just here to do the jobs americans won’t do”

just a hard working guy, trying to take care of his family


5 posted on 07/21/2008 2:43:28 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: batter
Racist!

Illegal aliens who commit felonies add to the varied mosaic of our diversity quilt.
6 posted on 07/21/2008 2:43:45 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Onelifetogive

A plague would be better than fire from the sky because it would leave the infrastructure intact.


7 posted on 07/21/2008 2:44:28 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: batter

I hope she has success.


8 posted on 07/21/2008 2:45:16 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: batter

I think there should be federal legislation allowing anyone harmed by criminal acts of illegal aliens shielded by sanctuary laws. I think the venue ought to be in the federal court nearest the victim. So if some criminal illegal alien is not reported by San Francisco to the ICE and later commits a crime in Texas, any lawsuit against San Francisco would happen in Texas.


9 posted on 07/21/2008 2:46:11 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.)
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To: batter

10 posted on 07/21/2008 2:46:47 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

LOL! We need an “IBTRC” (In Before The Race Card) on these threads like the IBTZ of zot threads.


11 posted on 07/21/2008 2:48:32 PM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Lizavetta

This homicide brought to you by:

www.lulac.org/

www.aclu.org

www.nclr.org/

www.nationalmecha.org/

and of course:

Your DNC!
democrats.org

You might want to call each one and thank them personally!


12 posted on 07/21/2008 2:50:49 PM PDT by RadioCirca1970 (Banner 17!)
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To: batter
"I want justice. I want the people to see: If my family wasn’t safe, what makes you think yours will be?"

When these illegal immigrants who turn to committing crimes attack the families of the politicians who allow them to stay here, then the law will change. When you read this fellow's record it is disgusting what he has been able to get away with. There is nothing redeeming about keeping these people here.

The next person one of them shoots or hurts won't matter to the current politicians and whining do-good liberals. It will not be until someone in the family of those elected feel the loss of life or a family member will these stupid laws be changed and only then will these illegals be deported immediately.

13 posted on 07/21/2008 2:52:02 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: batter
Tony Bologna, 48, and his two sons, Michael 20, and Matthew, 16

May God help her through this tragedy. Her family was wiped out. The perp needs a quick trial and shift justice, i.e. the death penalty.

14 posted on 07/21/2008 2:52:31 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: SwinneySwitch; SandRat; ExTexasRedhead; cripplecreek; AuntB; fieldmarshaldj; T.L.Sink; ...

Once again, an illegal alien commits a crime that an American wouldn’t commit.


15 posted on 07/21/2008 2:53:32 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Lizavetta
I was laughing over RWM's post and scolled past the picture. That put a quick end to that. I pray that she may be comforted.

Losing you husband and sons is bad enough but then the sting of the sanctuary law and San Fran DA policies is just pouring salt in the wound.

16 posted on 07/21/2008 2:54:57 PM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RadioCirca1970

Don’t forget “the Race” (la Raza).


17 posted on 07/21/2008 2:55:49 PM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: batter

bump


18 posted on 07/21/2008 2:56:11 PM PDT by VOA
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To: TheDon
quick trial and shift justice, i.e. the death penalty

Don't count on it. See the link at post#2.

19 posted on 07/21/2008 2:57:45 PM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Onelifetogive
I don't know...like a plague or something? Is that what you mean? Nothing really comes to mind...

Maybe it will come from below, who knows?

20 posted on 07/21/2008 3:02:05 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: TheDon
May God help her through this tragedy. Her family was wiped out.

Amen. May the Lord be her strength and comfort and give her the courage to fight the battle. She has the voice right now. May she be heard.

21 posted on 07/21/2008 3:04:00 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Onelifetogive

Or a massive tsunami.


22 posted on 07/21/2008 3:04:26 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: batter

He was only murdering families that Americans would not murder.


23 posted on 07/21/2008 3:07:15 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: batter

Illegal immigration will continue until the right people have died from it, i.e. children, spouses, and relatives of our esteemed lawmakers.


24 posted on 07/21/2008 3:08:45 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: batter

awready got it covered:

www.nclr.org/


25 posted on 07/21/2008 3:15:27 PM PDT by RadioCirca1970 (Banner 17!)
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To: batter

Gosh, if the authorities didn’t let the murdering scumbag consult with a diplomat from his home country’s embassy after he was arrested, it might jeopardize the whole case, because you KNOW San Francisco wouldn’t want to offend the U.N., the World Court, or any of those international entities who will call San Francisco to account for their trampling on this poor immigrant’s rights, you know?

Hey, if the family hadn’t been out on the highways spewing hydrocarbons and pollutants and contributing to global warming, they would all be alive today.

[do I really need a ‘sarc off’ tag here?]


26 posted on 07/21/2008 3:15:41 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: RadioCirca1970

Exactly!! Illegals kill and injure more Americans each year than those killed on 09-11-01. We need this on billboards across the nation.

FWIW, Austin is also a sanctuary city.

If an illegal hurts me or my husband, I’m suing all the way up the government ladder and those that harbor/promote illegals.


27 posted on 07/21/2008 3:18:50 PM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: batter
There are plenty of reports of gang violence south of the border. According to this Daily Telegraph Article:
Since January, more than 1,300 people have been killed in execution-style hits or gunned down in fire fights, which often rage for hours in broad daylight and turn residential neighbourhoods into war zones. If the trend continues, 2008 will top last year's toll of 2,500 deaths in drug-related killings.
You don't hear so much about Americans at the Border. Too bad.

Americans are regularly abused. According to this article entitled US Warns Tourists of 'Small-Unit Combat' at Mexico Border -- Murder and kidnapping of Americans has become routine all along the US Mexican border. According to the State Department sometimes heavily armed attackers wear the uniforms of the Mexican police or military.

If there is silence about events at the border. The silence about killings north of the border is deafening. And yet....

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says Think about it. A man or woman killed in Iraq or Iran in the line of duty is a hero. But what is an American killed at home by an illegal alien because the government has failed in its sworn duty to guard the borders. This is a pact between the sovereign and the person has paid taxes and loyalty. The answer is to that question is pretty awful. And it bodes ill for the republic.

But is it true?

Yes, according Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. He said further that most of illegals in the federal prisons were in for drug related charges. Most of the illegals in jail for murder were in the state prisons. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans--but by no means all -- being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Why isn't there an outcry in the black community? Beats me.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. If you check the links you'll notice that its McCain who cites Chertoff. See also here and here Here is more info from Judicial Watch.

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower. Sadly, so many small towns and villages across America have sent their warriors off to war half way across the world only to see communities fill up with illegal aliens.


28 posted on 07/21/2008 3:27:19 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: batter

Sue the city into bankruptcy. This has happened many, many times in this country. Is it now in the thousands?


29 posted on 07/21/2008 3:29:36 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: batter
In an interview Friday, Newsom declined to comment on Ramos' history in San Francisco's juvenile justice system, saying it would be wildly inappropriate to do so given the confidentiality of juvenile criminal records.

COMMENTING would be wildly inappropriate? How about slaughter of a family because the dad briefly blocked your turn?

30 posted on 07/21/2008 3:32:42 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (My new favorite quote "You can't organize clutter.")
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The San Francisco Bay Area elite have difficulties prosecuting "citizen" murderers. Oakland is right across the bay from San Francisco, and is part of "San Francisco Bay Area".

Your Black Muslim Bakery has been known to be a criminal enterprise for many years. Murder, violence, ad nauseum. And the politicians instead gave that group more money, and special passes.

The mindset of Bay Area Liberals would be entirely against prosecuting an illegal. And because to them, 3rd world countries are more "worthy" than Americans (citizens).

This, in re this case, is going to be a real tuffy for 'em...

31 posted on 07/21/2008 3:59:09 PM PDT by Alia
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To: batter
Every cop in SF hates Camela after she refused to seek death penalty for a police officer murderer.
32 posted on 07/21/2008 5:05:24 PM PDT by QQQQ
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To: Onelifetogive

Earthquake, plague (already there with AIDS), fire, you name it.


33 posted on 07/21/2008 6:50:18 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Clintonfatigued

And Mexico has decided to do all it can to push aliens like this perp from Ecuador through their country directly to us.

AP story can’t be posted.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=211733

Mexico to stop jailing illegal immigrants it catches


34 posted on 07/22/2008 8:35:09 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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ping


35 posted on 07/22/2008 9:57:55 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: batter

Yet both Obama and McCain want amnesty and voted against the Cronyn amendment.


36 posted on 07/22/2008 10:41:19 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: batter

BUMP


37 posted on 07/22/2008 10:58:48 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: batter
This story received relatively little coverage at all in the local press, considering the magnitude of the crime.

No need to wonder why.

I know exactly where I'm going when the wheels come off, and I'm taking a rope.

38 posted on 07/22/2008 12:52:10 PM PDT by skeeter
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