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Only our best losers would ink such a permanent deal
New York Daily News ^ | July 22nd 2008 | Richard Cohen

Posted on 07/22/2008 7:19:56 AM PDT by KLFuchs

Tattoos are the emblems of our age. They bristle from the biceps of men in summer shirts, from the lower backs of women as they ascend the stairs, from the shoulders of basketball players as they drive toward the basket and from every inch of certain celebrities. The tattoo is the battle flag of today in its war with tomorrow. It is carried by sure losers.



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It is carried by sure losers.

Al Gorebal has a large tattoo on his right cheek of a flowering crab tree. Billy Goat has one on the end of his.....

Even Hillary has a heart-shaped tattoo on her left breast. She's been trying to get it expunged as it has 'Vince' engraved inside.

Permanently marking one's body with tattoos is hardly a sign of superior intelligence.

1 posted on 07/22/2008 7:22:06 AM PDT by KLFuchs
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To: KLFuchs

-—always been glad I got old enough to not want one before I got old enough to get one-—


2 posted on 07/22/2008 7:24:30 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: KLFuchs

Nothing says “please don’t hire me for anything more than a $7/hr job” better than a tattoo.


3 posted on 07/22/2008 7:24:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The problem with the rat race is,even if you win you're still a rat.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Nothing says “please don’t hire me for anything more than a $7/hr job” better than a tattoo.

Metal in your face that wasn't placed their by an orthodontist ranks right up there.

4 posted on 07/22/2008 7:27:22 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: KLFuchs
I've never understood the tattoo on the small of one's back (or its cousin, on the shoulder-blade). Why get a tattoo you can't see yourself?

I also have a question for the women with the tattoos on the "ridgeline," but we'd best meet in person so that you have the opportunity to slap me.

5 posted on 07/22/2008 7:28:21 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Gay State Conservative
Nothing says “please don’t hire me for anything more than a $7/hr job” better than a tattoo

Excessive facial piercings?

6 posted on 07/22/2008 7:29:07 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: KLFuchs
Wow, I actually agree 100% with Richard Cohen on something.

Nothing is a bigger turnoff to me than seeing a woman with big, ugly tattoos on her. I don't know what motivates someone to do such a thing.

7 posted on 07/22/2008 7:29:41 AM PDT by jpl ("Present." - Barack Obama)
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To: KLFuchs

The percentage of the body with visible tattoos is inversely proportional to IQ of the bearer.

50%= IQ 50
75%= IQ 25

None of them have an IQ exceeding 100.


8 posted on 07/22/2008 7:31:13 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where ugly women come to find a polygamist husband)
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To: KarlInOhio; Dixie Yooper

Yes,that too conveys pretty much the same message.


9 posted on 07/22/2008 7:33:01 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The problem with the rat race is,even if you win you're still a rat.)
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To: KLFuchs

For me a tat means something. I significant event I wish to commemorate. A tat has to be symbolic to me and mean something. This means the the 2 I have means something to me, they are tasteful and their placement means that you are only going to see them when I wear a sleeveless shirt. Having someones name emblazoned on your skin is not very intelligent. Relationships change.... people change. A tattoo is something you will take with you to the grave. Make sure it is something you can live with and that it means something to you.


10 posted on 07/22/2008 7:33:09 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: KLFuchs

Kat is not amused. ;)

11 posted on 07/22/2008 7:34:58 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: 1rudeboy
I've never understood the tattoo on the small of one's back

The "tramp stamp"!

12 posted on 07/22/2008 7:36:05 AM PDT by thulldud (Congress does not want answers. They want scapegoats. (andy58-in-nh))
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To: 1rudeboy

Good taste prevents an explanation in this forum but if you think about it just a bit the answer becomes obvious to your first question.


13 posted on 07/22/2008 7:37:37 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: KLFuchs

I could understand someone getting a tatoo with practical uses, e.g., useful information. How about having one’s blood group (”A,” “AB,” “B,” or “O” - plus the Rhesus Factor) tatooed in some inconspicuous spot (e.g., near the arm pit) so that, in the event of a major, incapacitating accident, the medics would immediately know what kind of transfusion to give you?

For the forgetful, having one’s Social Security number tatooed, e.g., on the forearm, might also be practical.

SARCASM OFF


14 posted on 07/22/2008 7:38:32 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: thulldud

The “tramp stamp”!

“Skank Stripe”


15 posted on 07/22/2008 7:39:12 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
Make sure it is something you can live with and that it means something to you.

Do you mean, for example, a tattooed picture of President Ronald W. Reagan?

But then some tattoo afficionados would no doubt have Al Gorebal or Bill Clinton tattooed all over their bodies.Whenever we see a multi-tattooed youth swaggering down a street, say in south LA, you can be sure of one thing: he's a member of a gang and you'd better stay the hell out of his way.

I don't know why, but none of my friends are tattooed.

16 posted on 07/22/2008 7:40:23 AM PDT by KLFuchs (Congress and the president working together is much worse than having them fighting.)
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To: alexander_busek

Tattooes were very helpful when placed on the wrists of incoming guests at Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, or any one of the rest and recreation facilities built by the Nazis and strategically located across occupied Europe.


17 posted on 07/22/2008 7:42:08 AM PDT by KLFuchs (Congress and the president working together is much worse than having them fighting.)
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To: alexander_busek

****For the forgetful, having one’s Social Security number tatooed, e.g., on the forearm, might also be practical.***

how about on the forehead, backward so you can see it in a mirror.:-D


18 posted on 07/22/2008 7:42:22 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: jpl

In the halcyon days of my misspent youth, tattoos on women were a tremendous time-saver; allowing me to quickly distinguish between the possible and the probable. Smoking served a similar function; and, regarding a tattooed woman who smoked, it was simply a question of when, not if.

(Yes, I was a pig.)


19 posted on 07/22/2008 7:43:04 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Wag more; bark less.)
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To: KLFuchs

My 20 YO niece is well on her way to a job in the circus as the tattooed lady.

She is always short of money, but manages to find enough to get a new one every couple of months. Dumb as a box of rocks.


20 posted on 07/22/2008 7:48:23 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: KLFuchs

Tattoo removal from SNL:
http://www.guzer.com/videos/snl_tattoo_removal.php


21 posted on 07/22/2008 7:48:37 AM PDT by Lx ((Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.))
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To: alexander_busek

So I don’t forget them I only put passwords on my body....I have 722 and counting.


22 posted on 07/22/2008 7:53:13 AM PDT by Radl
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To: 1rudeboy
also have a question for the women with the tattoos on the "ridgeline,"

Ridgeline a.k.a Ass Antlers

23 posted on 07/22/2008 7:57:19 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (I will not vote for Obama not because he is black, but because he is RED)
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To: Arm_Bears
In the halcyon days of my misspent youth, tattoos on women were a tremendous time-saver; allowing me to quickly distinguish between the possible and the probable. Smoking served a similar function; and, regarding a tattooed woman who smoked, it was simply a question of when, not if.

I'll second that

24 posted on 07/22/2008 8:01:25 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (I will not vote for Obama not because he is black, but because he is RED)
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To: KLFuchs; alexander_busek

IIRC, the SS had their blood type tattooed under their arms.


25 posted on 07/22/2008 8:01:48 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: KLFuchs

Retired ADA [26 years]. Pretty good at it. Former Army officer. 20 tattoos. And no, Mr. Cohen, I’m not a “sure loser”. Not now, nor ever have been, a liberal.


26 posted on 07/22/2008 8:03:40 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Arm_Bears

That doesn’t work anymore. Even the good girls have tats, and most chicks I know smoke when they drink.


27 posted on 07/22/2008 8:04:21 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: KLFuchs

Reasoning against tattoos can always go with the classics:

28 “ ‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

(Of course, right about that is the directive for crazy sideburns . . . )


28 posted on 07/22/2008 8:04:43 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: KarlInOhio

I was just at a Uhaul store yesterday to get my propane tank refilled and the kid “sales associate” (ha ha) had a large metal ring through his lower lip.

How do you eat and talk with such a thing? Doesn’t it hurt like hell. What about the increase of infections etc.?

Not to mention it being ever so attractive and sure to increase your chances of a “hi paying” job as you said.

I’m also reminded of what radio raconteur, Jean Shepherd once said about his dad’s advice to never have a “personalized” license plate that was too easy to remember because you never know when you’re going to have to make a fast getaway.

Why have any identifiable markings at all. Anonymity is much safer and better.


29 posted on 07/22/2008 8:06:07 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: 1rudeboy

You mean the trampstamp? Or as some like to call it, a “target”.


30 posted on 07/22/2008 8:09:37 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: ChildOfThe60s
My 20 YO niece is well on her way to a job in the circus as the tattooed lady. She is always short of money, but manages to find enough to get a new one every couple of months. Dumb as a box of rocks.

At least she pays to have a professional do her tattoos. My niece who also is always short of money got one of her tattoos at a party for free.

31 posted on 07/22/2008 8:10:08 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: jpl

That’s why I have a teensy little birdy on my, well a place no one would ever see unless I wanted them to see.

I was 19 and feeling reckless. At least I didn’t go get a giant one on my back.


32 posted on 07/22/2008 8:10:40 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: KLFuchs
But the tattoos of today are not minor affairs or miniatures placed on the body where only an intimate or an internist would see them. Today's are gargantuan, inevitably tacky, gauche and ugly.

Way to paint with a broad brush. Tattoos, like anything else, run a wide gamut of sizes, styles, colors and locations. My wife has a small, well-done tattoo on the small of her back (and I'd like her to get a couple more). A good friend has a really well-done sleeve tattoo with some amazing artwork. On the other hand, I've seen some really ugly, vulgar, badly-done tattoos. There's a big difference between a tattoo a prison inmate gets with makeshift tools, and a tattoo done by an artistic, professional in a state-of-the-art store.

This seems like a generational thing- older people getting their panties in a bunch over the decisions of younger people. Tattoos have crossed the line from something that only bikers and sailors get to something that well-educated professionals pay good money for.

33 posted on 07/22/2008 8:10:55 AM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

Absolutely. I have one, but it’s not a place that anyone would see unless they were intimate with me. My husband likes it as it is delicate and nice. And small. But it does mean something to me and always will.


34 posted on 07/22/2008 8:11:46 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: garyhope
I’m also reminded of what radio raconteur, Jean Shepherd once said about his dad’s advice to never have a “personalized” license plate that was too easy to remember because you never know when you’re going to have to make a fast getaway.

Why have any identifiable markings at all. Anonymity is much safer and better.

100% agree.

35 posted on 07/22/2008 8:12:09 AM PDT by Lx ((Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.))
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To: Utah Binger

I’ve also thought that the direction of your hat bill was a good indication of your IQ.

And don’t get me started about people not removing their hats indoors, especially when in a restaurant. It used to be considered so rude and low class.


36 posted on 07/22/2008 8:12:23 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Kat is not amused. ;)

Crikey, she is frackin' gorgeous in that shot.

37 posted on 07/22/2008 8:12:29 AM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: garyhope

“And don’t get me started about people not removing their hats indoors, especially when in a restaurant.”

Perhaps you should avoid Kosher restaurants.


38 posted on 07/22/2008 8:15:50 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
The “tramp stamp”!

“Skank Stripe”

The Beer Rest.

The Skin Coaster.

39 posted on 07/22/2008 8:17:15 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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To: RedRover

V I M ping!

I know a lot of ink is fighting for my freedom.


40 posted on 07/22/2008 8:17:45 AM PDT by lilycicero (I have a tat of the wind.)
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To: autumnraine
My daughter has a tattoo of a rose, probably the same place yours is. But she's an RN and had to have surgery and ended up on her own unit. She was really teased about it!

Carolyn

41 posted on 07/22/2008 8:23:56 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Utah Binger
“None of them have an IQ exceeding 100.”

I beg to differ. 2 Tattoos and an IQ of 140.

I had mine done around 15 years ago, sober, and don't regret them at all.

42 posted on 07/22/2008 8:26:35 AM PDT by USMCGunnut (Be polite, be professional....but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Citizen Blade

One person’s gourmet fare is another’s garbage.


43 posted on 07/22/2008 8:28:55 AM PDT by KLFuchs (Congress and the president working together is much worse than having them fighting.)
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To: USMCGunnut

Bragger...LOL


44 posted on 07/22/2008 8:32:22 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where ugly women come to find a polygamist husband)
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To: lesser_satan

Maybe they’re not as “good” as they appear—Merits some vigorous investigation, at the very least.


45 posted on 07/22/2008 8:40:36 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Wag more; bark less.)
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To: KLFuchs
My son and I got into a discussion just last night about tattoos. He made the assertion that tattooing was a sin, because the bible speaks against desecrating the body temple. I have three of them, and I retorted with bible passage referring to material things, starting at Romans 14:13. The money verse (IMO) is Romans 14:14 (KJV)

"I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean."

As the viewer, it is your right to look down upon tattoos, and to make a stand that it would be a sin for you to get one yourself. Looking down on someone else, simply for the fact that they have a tattoo; never mind the size or subject matter, is just being judgmental and biased. For the owner, tattoos are what one makes of them, as evidenced by their outward actions.

I have a Marine Corps tattoo on my right bicep; viewable only when my shirt is off. It's there to signify my fidelity to the Corp, even if I am a veteran over a decade removed from active duty. It represents the high values and standards that I should strive to in my daily walk. Being born again, I am seriously thinking about getting a cross for the very same reason. It may be in a discreet place, it may not be; I care that some people find tattoos offensive, I don't care if someone finds the cross offensive.

On the other hand, I see women with tattoos in places and of a subject matter that is meant to draw attention to certain features on their bodies (the ubiquitous "Tramp Stamps") I see dufusii with all sorts of in appropriate subjects; gang affiliations, nude women, fouls language etc. I also see people that have engaged in what could only be labeled at gluttony of the flesh and have massive "Look At Me" tattoos.

It's art, and like all art it's the subject matter and the heart of the artists (or owner in this case) that is issue. The Sisteen Chapel is a work of art; so is graffiti. One is about glorifying something greater than one's self, while the other is about the defacing of another's property because my wishes trump your ownership rights. One is good; one is bad.

One of the most beautiful tattoos I ever saw was on a young Mexican man I met many years ago. It was a life size back-piece of the face of Jesus wearing the Crown of Thorns. It was done with over 30K individual dots; instead of lines. It was a true piece of art, and this man, as I remember tried to live up to the subject matter. Would one look down upon this young man is his walk with the Lord, simply for the fact that he had a tattoo.

That's my 2 cents, and I could be wrong; I doubt it, though.

46 posted on 07/22/2008 8:41:14 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: USMCGunnut
Around here Marines are exempt from any tattoo rules. Although I understand Uncle Sugar has some new rules about them.
47 posted on 07/22/2008 8:53:51 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: jpl
Nothing is a bigger turnoff to me than seeing a woman with big, ugly tattoos on her. I don't know what motivates someone to do such a thing.

My thoughts also. I'll see a pretty gal with nice legs, and then notice some goofy tattoo on her calf - instant turnoff. And it is on some olders ones as well. I see a lot of them in Wal-Mart (substitutes for the mall in our small town) - hip-huggers _- and then that damned tattoo peering at you above the waist.

That comment elsewhere about a $7 an hour job is Spot On, as is the facial piercings bit - YUK.

48 posted on 07/22/2008 9:05:49 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: jpl
Nothing is a bigger turnoff to me than seeing a woman with big, ugly tattoos on her.

It’s like gang graffiti on a cathedral.

49 posted on 07/22/2008 9:06:21 AM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: Oatka
That comment elsewhere about a $7 an hour job is Spot On

Tattoos visible in regular street clothes do limit your employment options (though not as much as in the past). But you would be surprised how many younger lawyers, bankers, doctors and other highly-educated professionals are sporting ink under their clothes.

50 posted on 07/22/2008 9:08:52 AM PDT by Citizen Blade
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