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Deny the HIV to AIDS connection and you'll be attacked, crushed, and ruined
Modern Conservative ^ | July 22, 2008 | Clark Baker

Posted on 07/22/2008 9:56:23 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

By Clark Baker

Last June, I posted this report about US hospitals and how many rely on fraud, preventable injuries and infections to patients to compensate for losses due to our government’s insistence that private hospitals treat and care for uninsured and underinsured citizens, indigents, and illegal aliens.

[Photo: Dr. Robert Gallo]

I learned how hospitals destroy good physicians and how predatory hospital chains like Tenet, Kaiser Permanente, and Adventist pressure local physicians already in successful private practice to join their groups. Those who refuse are targeted for sham peer review by corporate administrators and MDs who accuse non-compliant physicians as dangerous, incompetent, or disruptive. While a few tenacious victims expend their life savings to preserve their clinical privileges, others aren’t so lucky. Faced with the malicious and devastating loss of their medical careers, many take their own lives; which is what the health care corporations prefer anyway. To them, it’s only business – nothing personal.

I was never impressed by concerns about “the evils of big pharma.” I assumed that drugs are expensive because of the R & D that goes into finding cures for disease. Until now, I never imagined that some of those same drug companies would support junk science to fund researchers who would then produce expensive drugs that cause illness and disease around the world...


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aids; corruption; duesberg; grid; grids; healthcare; hiv; homosexualagenda; investigation
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1 posted on 07/22/2008 9:56:23 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Deny the HIV to AIDS connection and you'll be attacked, crushed, and ruined

Its the Global Warming of social diseases.

2 posted on 07/22/2008 10:00:54 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

I took a freind to the pharmacy to get a prescription filled- the cost was $400

When she said that she had no health insurance they re-filled it with a generic equivalent that cot $20

Only in a world where the cost is hidden by ‘co-pays’ is this possible.

And the ‘immediate care’ facility she went to because she has no regular doctor charged her $450 for an ‘emergency’ room visit- where the doctor looked at her scratch (literally) and prescribed an antibiotic- 45 seconds MAX.

When I called to complain they said the time did not matter it was the ‘quality’ of care that mattered.


3 posted on 07/22/2008 10:07:55 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

I think AIDS is caused by an imbalance of humors.

Perhaps cutting or leeches should be attemtped.


4 posted on 07/22/2008 10:14:42 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

for later


5 posted on 07/22/2008 10:30:26 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Deny the HIV to AIDS connection

...and you too can be the leader of South Africa......in addition to being a loon.

Deny the HIV-AIDS connection and I expect you to willlingly take an injection of these little buggers.

6 posted on 07/22/2008 10:35:00 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: Vaquero

Didn’t Robert Koch have a method for sorting all this out.


7 posted on 07/22/2008 10:38:35 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Back in the 80’s or early 90’s you could be a skeptic about the link between HIV and AIDS without being a quack. The evidence was starting to accumulate, but it wasn’t quite settled. That’s not the case today.


8 posted on 07/22/2008 10:49:36 AM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

In the long run, no one will be *ruined* for telling the truth.


9 posted on 07/22/2008 10:56:53 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Deny the link between Gravity and falling and you will be attacked, crushed, and ruined.
10 posted on 07/22/2008 10:58:23 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Here's a pretty simple test. Extract the HIV virus, inject it and see if you catch AIDS. Don't count on me to sign up for that clinical test, but those who say that HIV doesn't cause AIDS shouldn't have any fears about it.
11 posted on 07/22/2008 10:59:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: elmer fudd
Back in the 80’s or early 90’s you could be a skeptic about the link between HIV and AIDS without being a quack. The evidence was starting to accumulate, but it wasn’t quite settled. That’s not the case today.

Well I agree with you about the 80's and 90's. For sure there was no proof then that HIV was the cause of AIDS.

But here we are in the 21st century and if you are correct that the evidence has started to accumulate then it should be an easy thing to provide some links to that information. I've been looking and I can't find it.

Can you help?

12 posted on 07/22/2008 11:38:48 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint
1) HIV is a virus that kills CD4+ T cells or “helper” T cells. This has been demonstrated.

2) People who are HIV positive with high viral loads have a corresponding low CD4+ T cell count. When antiviral medication is used to reduce the viral load, CD4+ T cell counts go up. This correlation between viral load and CD4+ cell count is well documented.

3) People with low CD4+ T cell counts are susceptible to diseases that people with a functioning immune system are not usually susceptible to. This is what we call AIDS as they do have a deficient immune system. This correlation between CD4+ T cells and immune deficiency is also well documented.

Where exactly are you having problems?

13 posted on 07/22/2008 11:55:22 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
The medical industry has an evil face? No kidding. But is this a promo for the Semmelweis Society or support for the idea that HIV is not the causative agent in AIDS? What?
I don't see what point the post is making other than that dissenters from the prevailing “truth” are not treated kindly by those who are invested in the status quo.
14 posted on 07/22/2008 12:01:39 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: allmendream
Where exactly are you having problems?

I need references to peer reviewed articles in reputable medical journals. As far as I know there is no proof that HIV is the cause of AIDS. I'm looking for that study that proves it does. Show me that study. Just give me a link.

15 posted on 07/22/2008 12:03:20 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/Factsheets/evidhiv.htm

Koch’s postulates met.

Any questions?


16 posted on 07/22/2008 12:08:30 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: InterceptPoint

Aspects of immunopathogenic mechanisms of HIV infection.Feller L, Lemmer J.
Department of Periodontology and Oral Medicine, Box D26, Faculty of Dentistry, Medunsa Campus 0204, University of Limpopo. lfeller@medunsa.ac.za

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection is characterized by progressive deterioration of the immune system nearly always resulting in death. Depletion in the numbers of CD4+ T cells is the hallmark of HIV infection and is central to the development of the clinical signs and symptoms that are characteristic of HIV disease. Other factors influencing the progression of HIV disease include the HIV viral load, the nature of the particular infecting HIV, and the level of competence of the immune effector cells.

PMID: 18500104 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


17 posted on 07/22/2008 12:19:27 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: elmer fudd
OK, at first I was thinking to my self that you had to be crazy to think HIV didn't cause AIDS. I started to read they report, expectivg some UFO conspiracy theory.

Well, thats now what it was. I urge you to read it for your self. It really makes you wonder if HIV/AIDS is more of a political issue than a medical fact.

http://www.modernconservative.com/videos/Gallos_Egg_17Jul08.pdf

18 posted on 07/22/2008 12:40:41 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: xDGx
"With regard to postulate #1, numerous studies from around the world show that virtually all AIDS patients are HIV-seropositive; that is they carry antibodies that indicate HIV infection."

Sorry but antibodies of an infection are not proof of infection. They are proof of a past infection. You cannot substitute an HIV antibody test for the virus itself and therefor you cannot use this to show the strong association required by Koch. Plus Koch requires a strong correlation. That strong correlation does not exist with the HIV virus.

19 posted on 07/22/2008 12:44:02 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

“virtually all” is not a strong correlation? Just what then do you think the word “correlation” means?


20 posted on 07/22/2008 12:53:56 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: xDGx
I have a question with postulate #3.

The “HIV Deniers” are claiming that the HIV drugs are killing people. Of all the people who were exposed to the HIV virus, how many of them never received anti viral drugs and went on to die from AIDS. I suspect that they all received HIV treatment. This makes it a little difficult to disprove the oppositions argument since we don't have a control group.

Anyway, I'm not saying HIV and AIDS are not related. It's just the question that came to mind.

21 posted on 07/22/2008 12:57:18 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: chaos_5

“I suspect that they all received HIV treatment”

What are you basing that on?


22 posted on 07/22/2008 1:03:56 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: count-your-change

From link in post: “Clark Baker
Radio talkshow host, writer, producer, and father of a NYC grad student and US Marine, Clark studied humanity on the streets of Calcutta, Nairobi, Rio, San Salvador, and Los Angeles. To know more, read his first post.
View my complete profile”


23 posted on 07/22/2008 1:04:30 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
What are you basing that on?

Think about it. Would the medical community ever say to someone. "You have just been infected with HIV, but we are not going to give you the latest drugs?" Hell no, they wouldn't do that. So, I think its safe to say that all the people that were mentioned to prove "postulate #3" receive the latest medical treatment.

24 posted on 07/22/2008 1:08:38 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: allmendream
“virtually all” is not a strong correlation? Just what then do you think the word “correlation” means?

The correlation is with the antibody to HIV not HIV itself. So it doesn't matter what "virtually all" means.

25 posted on 07/22/2008 1:09:04 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: chaos_5

??? The epidemic was well underway before related antiretroviral drugs were used in clinical trials.


26 posted on 07/22/2008 1:12:26 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: KarlInOhio

“Extract the HIV virus, inject it and see if you catch AIDS”

You don’t have to go to that extreme, just go to West Hollywood, San Francisco, etc., drop your pants and bend over, injection accomplished before you can say hello!


27 posted on 07/22/2008 1:16:45 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

And yet, screening for HIV has removed the threat of AIDS from blood transfusions.


28 posted on 07/22/2008 1:20:40 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
The epidemic was well underway before related antiretroviral drugs were used in clinical trials.

That may be so, or it may be false.

I don't think its impossible that the testing and subsequent drugs used to treat AIDS caused the number of deaths to spike.

I also don't think its impossible that HIV is causing AIDS.

I do think there are some very interesting, and unanswered questions, surrounding the issue. If the root of the issues is whether or not the HIV virus actually kills white blood cells, then that should be easy enough to prove.

29 posted on 07/22/2008 1:24:27 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Mr. K

Generic “equivalents” ain’t necessarily equivalent. However, a good consumer will *ask* about generics before laying out money for brand names.


30 posted on 07/22/2008 1:25:09 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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To: chaos_5
The “HIV Deniers” are claiming that the HIV drugs are killing people. Of all the people who were exposed to the HIV virus, how many of them never received anti viral drugs and went on to die from AIDS. I suspect that they all received HIV treatment. This makes it a little difficult to disprove the oppositions argument since we don't have a control group.

Seriously?

People in Africa without access to "AIDS drugs" die of AIDS every single day. See: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18852652/

And before there ever were "AIDS drugs", people in the 1st World died of AIDS.

31 posted on 07/22/2008 1:26:50 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: InterceptPoint

Almost 100% correlation between HIV antibodies (meaning exposure of that individual to HIV) and AIDS and you say that isn’t a strong correlation?

Immune deficiency was almost unheard of until HIV was found in humans. Now almost all people with immune deficiencies are found to have HIV exposure. Strong correlation.

Simian Immune virus is closely related to H.I.V. and it causes AIDS in monkeys. Strong correlation.

Just how does one get antibodies to HIV again? Oh yes. Exposure to HIV. And what do virtually all AIDS patients have? Oh yes, evidence of HIV exposure.

Just what particular brand of nuttiness are you promoting by denying the clear and obvious connection?


32 posted on 07/22/2008 1:32:09 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: mountainbunny
I'm only saying the reference did not have a control group. Nothing more, nothing less.
33 posted on 07/22/2008 1:34:43 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: InterceptPoint

You should find all you’ll need here:

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/focuson/hiv/resources/default.htm

A short form follows:

Among many criteria used over the years to prove the link between putative pathogenic (disease-causing) agents and disease, perhaps the most-cited are Koch’s postulates, developed in the late 19th century. Koch’s postulates have been variously interpreted by many scientists, and modifications have been suggested to accommodate new technologies, particularly with regard to viruses (Harden. Pubbl Stn Zool Napoli [II] 1992;14:249; O’Brien, Goedert. Curr Opin Immunol 1996;8:613). However, the basic tenets remain the same, and for more than a century Koch’s postulates, as listed below, have served as the litmus test for determining the cause of any epidemic disease:

Epidemiological association: the suspected cause must be strongly associated with the disease.
Isolation: the suspected pathogen can be isolated - and propagated - outside the host.
Transmission pathogenesis: transfer of the suspected pathogen to an uninfected host, man or animal, produces the disease in that host.
With regard to postulate #1, numerous studies from around the world show that virtually all AIDS patients are HIV-seropositive; that is they carry antibodies that indicate HIV infection. With regard to postulate #2, modern culture techniques have allowed the isolation of HIV in virtually all AIDS patients, as well as in almost all HIV-seropositive individuals with both early- and late-stage disease. In addition, the polymerase chain (PCR) and other sophisticated molecular techniques have enabled researchers to document the presence of HIV genes in virtually all patients with AIDS, as well as in individuals in earlier stages of HIV disease.

Postulate #3 has been fulfilled in tragic incidents involving three laboratory workers with no other risk factors who have developed AIDS or severe immunosuppression after accidental exposure to concentrated, cloned HIV in the laboratory. In all three cases, HIV was isolated from the infected individual, sequenced and shown to be the infecting strain of virus. In another tragic incident, transmission of HIV from a Florida dentist to six patients has been documented by genetic analyses of virus isolated from both the dentist and the patients. The dentist and three of the patients developed AIDS and died, and at least one of the other patients has developed AIDS. Five of the patients had no HIV risk factors other than multiple visits to the dentist for invasive procedures (O’Brien, Goedert. Curr Opin Immunol 1996;8:613; O’Brien, 1997; Ciesielski et al. Ann Intern Med 1994;121:886).

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/Factsheets/evidhiv.htm


34 posted on 07/22/2008 1:58:55 PM PDT by cacoethes_resipisco
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To: InterceptPoint

“Sorry but antibodies of an infection are not proof of infection. They are proof of a past infection. You cannot substitute an HIV antibody test for the virus itself and therefor you cannot use this to show the strong association required by Koch. Plus Koch requires a strong correlation. That strong correlation does not exist with the HIV virus.”

Here is the contact information for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) so you can inform them of their error:

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/links_policies/contact_us.htm


35 posted on 07/22/2008 2:02:02 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

ping...

PS Let’s not forget about the pernicious social agenda they used all that fearmongering to push—GGG:

The Hidden Agenda behind HIV

(Rethinking AIDS, Jan./Feb. 1994)

Despite all assurances to the contrary, the AIDS establishment continues to fund only research on HIV. Peter Duesberg inadvertently proved this blackout on all alternative research when he recently submitted a grant proposal to the National Institute on Drug Abuse. The Institute’s clinical director of AIDS research had personally invited the proposal, which outlined a plan to test the long-term effects of nitrite inhalants, or “poppers,” on the immune systems of mice. The answer came back in December: The anonymous referees had not only turned it down, but had refused even to review the proposal.

Why does such a political correctness continue to dominate the War on AIDS? After all, public health officials cannot yet demonstrate they have saved any lives from the syndrome, while its death toll rises steadily. The scientific predictions have also failed miserably. In contrast to the predicted spread of AIDS in the United States, the epidemic has remained strictly confined to risk groups; nine of every ten AIDS cases have been male, and ninety percent of all AIDS victims have been linked to heavy drug use, whether intravenously or as “fast track” homosexuals. Indeed, epidemiologists have yet to establish that any epidemic at all has struck among blood transfusion recipients. Even individual AIDS diseases prefer specific risk groups, such as Kaposi’s sarcoma among homosexuals and the near-absence of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia among Africans, whose lungs all contain the microbe. And some thirty-nine percent of AIDS diseases in America have nothing at all to do with immune deficiency — witness Kaposi’s sarcoma, various lymphomas, wasting disease, and dementia, for example. In short, AIDS is not an infectious disease.

The obsession with an “AIDS virus” has little to do with science or medicine. Writing in Nature in 1991 (June 21), British HIV researcher Robin Weiss and American CDC official Harold Jaffe hinted at the real purpose in an attack on Peter Duesberg: “But if he and his supporters belittle ‘safe sex,’ would have us abandon HIV screening of blood donations, and curtail research into anti-HIV drugs and vaccines, then their message is perilous.” To whom? If AIDS is not infectious, such recommendations would simply save the taxpayer money and anxiety.

But perhaps this is the point. A 1989 report by the National Research Council more explicitly revealed the hidden agenda. Originally sponsored by the Rockefeller and Russel Sage Foundations and then funded by the Public Health Service, AIDS: Sexual Behavior and Intravenous Drug Use laid out a plan for social engineering on a massive scale — using AIDS as the excuse. “The devastating effect of an epidemic on a community can evoke strong political and social responses,” the committee duly noted. “An epidemic necessitates the rapid mobilization of the community to counter the spread of illness and death” (p. 373). The power of such a method to force changes in cultural values is based on careful manipulation of fear. “Ideally, health promotion messages should heighten an individual’s perceptions of threat and his or her capacity to respond to that threat, thus modulating the level of fear.… What is not yet known is how to introduce fear in the right way in a particular message intended for a particular audience. Acquiring that knowledge will require planned variations of AIDS education programs that are carefully executed and then carefully evaluated,” stated the committee coolly (pp. 267-8).

The report then identified one of the major targets of change — Judaeo-Christian moral values. “Historically, there has been a strong social reluctance in the United States to speak or write about sexuality in explicit terms. Despite recent indications of greatly increased tolerance for sexual explicitness in the media and literature, that reluctance remains strong in much of the population; it is particularly strong in instances that involve the education of children and adolescents” (p. 379). The fear of a supposedly infectious AIDS epidemic, however, could be used to fix such problems. As the report declared, “The committee believes that, during an epidemic, politeness is a social virtue that must take second place to the protection of life” (p. 379).

Other public health officials have been even more forthright. As an officer of the Centers for Disease Control, Donald Francis had in 1984 drafted the CDC’s proposed AIDS strategy. In his 1992 retirement speech at the agency’s Atlanta, Georgia headquarters, Francis voiced the ambitions held by many of his fellow officers in describing “the opportunity that the HIV epidemic provides for public health” (JAMA, 9-16-92). He stated in no uncertain terms the radical nature of the plan:

“The cloistered caution of the past needs to be discarded. The climate and culture must be open ones where old ideas are challenged. Those who desire the status quo should seek employment elsewhere. The American HIV prevention program should be the place where the best and the brightest come, where the action is, where history is being made. This is the epidemic of the century, and every qualified person should want to have a piece of the action.”

The “action” described by Francis was a set of programs that would, as he fully recognized, need strong political protection from angry taxpayers and voters. For example, he bitterly attacked public opposition to condom distribution programs, and called for powerful legal measures to bypass parental discretion. “The ongoing controversies involving abstincence and condoms typify the morass into which schools can fall,” Francis complained. “If, in the opinion of those far more expert than I, schools cannot be expected to provide such programs, then health departments should take over, using as a justification their mandate to protect the public’s health.”

Francis also included proposals for dealing with the AIDS risk of intravenous drug use — including a call for “prescription of addicting drugs” with Federal government sponsorship. Even libertarians who advocate legalizing drugs would balk at such notions, which would ultimately create a massive bureaucracy encouraging drug use. “Following a more enlightened model for drug treatment, including prescribing heroin, would have dramatic effects on HIV and could eliminate many of the dangerous illegal activites surrounding drugs,” he insisted, knowing that only fear of the AIDS epidemic might make such proposals tolerable to the public. Ignoring the toxic, and possibly AIDS-inducing, effects of drugs, Francis emphasized that “In addition to treatment, safe injection [!] must be stressed both for those in treatment programs and those out of treatment. The provision of sterile injection equipment for drug users should be the standard of public health practice in the United States.”

Most chillingly of all, Francis saw the possibilities in harnessing other epidemics to advance similar agendas. As he put it, “if we establish new mechanisms to handle the HIV epidemic, [these] can serve as models for other diseases.”

The common denominator of these and similar plans is that they originate with the Federal government’s Public Health Service, and especially from its frontline public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control. Public perceptions often paint the CDC as a minor office that gathers and publishes dull statistics on disease. The truth is shockingly different. A sophisticated $2 billion-per-year operation, the CDC employs a staff of thousands who see themselves as having an activist mandate. They view epidemics as opportunities for control and for imposing lifestyle changes on the population.

The CDC has traditionally specialized in contagious disease. Its initials, in fact, originally stood for the Communicable Disease Center, from its formation in 1946 until its name changed in 1970. And therein lies its bias, for it tends to interpret almost any epidemic as being infectious. Certainly the CDC has plenty of raw material with which to work; each year brings at least one thousand outbreaks, or “clusters,” of disease that strike in the United States — one every eight hours. These can range from flus and pneumonias to closely-occurring cancers, but most outbreaks involve no more than a handful of people each; since the polio epidemic, none have posed serious threats to the general public. However, by falsely labelling any arbitrarily chosen outbreak as infectious and blaming it on a virus or other microbe, the CDC can quickly generate public fear and political mobilization behind almost any agenda.

The CDC has actually engineered a number of false alarms or misdirected campaigns over the past four decades, neutralizing scientific dissent and calmer voices when necessary. AIDS, though not the first example, has now become the most successful epidemic by far. Two powerful weapons in the agency’s arsenal, both unknown to the public at large, have made this possible: a semi-secret wing of the CDC known as the Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS), and a quiet “partnership” program with private organizations.

The Epidemic Intelligence Service

Among epidemiologists, it is often half-jokingly referred to as the “medical CIA.” Founded in 1951 by public health professor Alexander Langmuir, the EIS was first designed to act as an elite biological-warfare countermeasures unit of the CDC. Langmuir was hired because he also served as one of the select advisors to the Defense Department’s chemical and biological warfare program.

The first EIS class of 21 recent medical or biological graduates underwent several weeks of intense training at the CDC’s Atlanta headquarters, before being dispatched on their two-year assignments on loan to various state or local health departments around the country. They acted as the eyes and ears of the CDC, carefully monitoring for any possible outbreak of war-induced disease. While on their tours of duty, each EIS officer could be sent elsewhere in the country on a 24 hour-a-day basis. In case of war, the EIS would operate under any emergency powers granted the CDC — potentially including quarantines, mass immunizations, or other drastic measures.

In an article written for the American Journal of Public Health (March, 1952), Langmuir made clear that membership in the EIS did not end with the two year assignment, but was permanent. He wrote that, “As a result of their experience, many of these officers may well remain in full-time epidemiology or other public health pursuits at federal, state, or local levels. Some, no doubt, will return to civilian, academic, or clinical practice, but in the event of war they could be returned to active duty with the Public Health Service and assigned to strategic areas to fulfil the functions for which they were trained.”

Every year since 1951 has seen a new crop of EIS recruits, some classes over one hundred members in size. The nearly 2,000 alumni have gone on to high positions in society, though rarely advertising their affiliation. Indeed, the CDC has now made the EIS more secretive than ever, having suppressed the public availability of the membership directory since last year. Members can be found in the Surgeon General’s office and elsewhere in the Federal government, as well as in the World Health Organization, state and local health departments, universities, pharmaceutical companies, tax-exempt foundations, hospitals, and even as staff writers, editors, or news anchormen for major newspapers, scientific journals, and television news departments. In these positions, EIS alumni act not only as the CDC’s surveillance arm and emergency reserve, but also as seemingly “independent” advocates for CDC policies.

In time, the fear of artificial disease epidemics faded. But Langmuir and other top CDC officials had always held bigger plans for the EIS. Langmuir, for example, an apostle of Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, involved the EIS in the population control movement by the 1960s. The CDC has gained most, however, from EIS activities in natural disease epidemics, to which its “disease detectives” have turned their attention.

The flu, being truly an infectious disease, often proved itself most valuable to the CDC. Although the winter following the end of World War I was the last time a flu epidemic caused widespread death, the CDC has pushed annual flu vaccinations up to the present day. At times, the agency has even rung the alarm over an impending flu crisis, hoping to use memories of the 1918 epidemic to gain emergency powers and impose mass vaccinations. By using such tactics in 1957 over the Asian flu, the CDC managed to wrangle extra money out of Congress to expand the EIS and crash-produce a vaccine. But the flu season was already winding down by the time the vaccine was ready, and the flu itself turned out to have been as mild as in any other year.

By 1976, CDC director David Sencer wanted to try again, though on a grander scale. After one soldier in Pennsylvania died of a flu-related pneumonia in January, Sencer predicted that a pig-borne human virus, nicknamed the “swine flu,” would soon devastate the United States. Panicked with visions of impending doom, Congress moved to authorize the CDC’s immunization plan for every man, woman, and child in the country. Unexpectedly, the legislation suddenly stalled when the insurance companies underwriting the vaccine discovered that it had seriously toxic side effects.

Sencer had to do something fast. He immediately set up a “War Room” in Auditorium A at the CDC headquarters, and put the EIS network on full alert to search for any disease outbreak that might resemble the flu. Within weeks, the War Room received word of a pneumonia cluster among men just returning home from the Philadelphia convention of the American Legion. Several Philadelphia-based EIS officers and alumni had detected the outbreak, and acted as a fifth column that not only helped arranged an invitation for the CDC to come in, but also took their orders from the arriving team of CDC and EIS officers. Even the New York Times staff writer sent to cover the story, Lawrence Altman, was himself an EIS alumnus.

The CDC team allowed media rumors to circulate that this Legionnaires’ disease was the beginning of the swine flu. Within days, Congress decided to pass the vaccine bill. Only later did the CDC admit that the legionnaires had not been infected by the flu virus, too late to stop the immunization program. Some 50 million Americans received the vaccine, leading to more than a thousand cases of nerve damage and paralysis, dozens of deaths, and lawsuits awarding almost $100 million in damages. In the ultimate irony, no swine flu epidemic ever materialized; the only destruction left behind by the phantom swine flu resulted from the CDC’s vaccine.

The agency later blamed Legionnaires’ disease on a common soil bacterium, one that clearly fails Koch’s postulates for causing the disease and is therefore actually harmless. The legionnaires’ deaths are not so hard to understand, since the pneumonias struck elderly men, many of whom had undergone kidney transplant operations, and who had become particularly drunk during the Bicentennial celebration — the classic risks for pneumonia. Thus “Legionnaires’ disease” is not an infectious condition, but merely a new name for old pneumonias.

Using its EIS network, the CDC has applied similar tactics to other outbreaks of disease. During the 1960s, for example, the EIS helped fuel the National Institute of Health’s growing Virus-Cancer Program by tracking down every small cluster of leukemia cases, trying to create the impression that some virus was responsible for the cancer. Robert Gallo became one of many scientists so impressed with the CDC investigations that he devoted the rest of his career to finding a human leukemia virus.

More recently, the CDC managed to have a team of EIS officers invited into New Mexico to investigate a cluster of pneumonia cases among Navajo Indians. By June of 1993, the CDC began insisting that the brief and relatively small outbreak was caused by a rat fecal virus, the Hantavirus. But as a letter in the January 1 issue of the Lancet pointed out, most of the affected Navajos actually tested negative for the virus. And unlike a contagious disease, this pneumonia never spread beyond the first few dozen victims. Again, the CDC’s “disease detectives” used a high-profile investigation to create media publicity and frighten the general population, rather than troubling themselves with the scientific method and its more boring answers.

Of all the epidemics mismanaged by the CDC, AIDS proved the most spectacular in achieving political success. By 1981, the EIS had so thoroughly penetrated the medical and public health institutions in the United States that it could now detect even the smallest and most loosely-connected “clusters” of diseases, no matter how far apart the victims were in time and space. The original AIDS cases were all found in homosexual men in the “fast track” lifestyle — those having hundreds or thousands of sexual contacts and using enormous amounts of hard drugs to make such promiscuous activity possible. For the CDC, the trick was to make the illness seem contagious; a simple drug-induced epidemic among homosexuals would hardly have frightened the public, nor have allowed the CDC to accomplish its radical public health agenda.

The epidemic officially began in 1980 after Michael Gottlieb, a new immunologist at the UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles, decided to test the brand new T cell-counting technology. He put out an informal request to fellow physicians to refer cases of immune deficiency to him. Over the next several months, colleagues sent him four such cases, all male homosexuals with Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia. Sensing that the CDC might take an interest, Gottlieb called active EIS officer Wayne Shandera in the Los Angeles health department. Shandera had heard an isolated report of a fifth homosexual with the same problem, and compiled a report for the CDC.

Ordinarily, each of the five cases would have been seen by separate doctors, leaving nothing to suggest the word “epidemic” to anyone. But having a pre-positioned EIS agent like Shandera certainly helped the CDC gather such cases together as a potential cluster. Shandera’s report fell on the desk of James Curran, an official in the CDC’s venereal diseases division; the 1987 book And the Band Played On records that Curran wrote “Hot stuff. Hot stuff.” on the report (p. 67). He had the agency publish it immediately.

By the time the report appeared on June 5, 1981, Curran was already organizing a special Kaposi’s Sarcoma and Opportunistic Infections (KSOI) task force to lead an investigation of the five-victim epidemic. EIS members Harold Jaffe and Mary Guinan, also from the venereal diseases division, helped run the task force. The first order of business was to find as many similar patients as possible, thereby causing the epidemic to “grow.” Next was to explain the syndrome; to the CDC, this meant trying to find an infectious agent. This would be no simple task, since essentially all of the first fifty cases admitted to heavy use of poppers, a drug preferred by homosexuals as a means of facilitating anal intercourse. Even if this toxic drug presented itself as the obvious explanation, the CDC investigators had no intention of letting the evidence interfere. Accordinng to historian Elizabeth Etheridge, “While many of the patients were routine users of amyl nitrites or ‘poppers,’ no one in the KSOI task force believed the disease was a toxicological problem” (Sentinel for Health, 1992, p. 326).

So the EIS was activated to prove AIDS infectious. EIS officer David Auerbach and others confirmed that these extremely promiscuous homosexuals were often linked to one another through long chains of sexual encounters. To prove that AIDS was “spreading” to other people, other officers scoured hospitals to find heroin addicts with opportunistic infections, and blamed their needle-sharing rather than the heroin use, itself a classic risk factor for pneumonias and other illnesses. Bruce Evatt and Dale Lawrence, both members of the EIS, discovered one hemophiliac in Colorado with an opportunistic pneumonia as a side effect of internal bleeding, but rediagnosed the patient as an AIDS case. Even Haitians in Florida and Haiti were interviewed by EIS officer Harry Haverkos, who renamed their endemic tuberculosis as AIDS.

Not understanding the loaded nature of such investigations, the outside world completely bought the CDC line. Soon the race was on for scientific researchers to find the guilty virus. But this search, too, had been rigged. Donald Francis, an EIS member himself since 1971, decided just eleven days after the original Shandera report that the syndrome should be blamed on a retrovirus — with a latent period, no less. Using his various contacts in the retrovirus field, Francis spent the next two years pushing Robert Gallo to isolate a new retrovirus. Eventually Gallo did take an interest, and claimed credit for finding HIV.

With his April 23, 1984, press conference, Gallo completed the crusade begun by the CDC and its EIS. As the cameras rolled and the cameras flashed, Gallo and Health and Human Services Secretary Margaret Heckler launched the nation into a War on AIDS. Few people knew the true story behind that announcement, or of the political agenda that Don Francis and others were preparing to foist on the American people.

The Partnership Program

The CDC’s second major weapon for mobilizing public support lay in its assistance programs for private organizations. By funding or otherwise supporting groups not affiliated with the CDC, the agency could create apparently spontaneous mass movements. Spokesmen claiming to represent various communities could all simultaneously advocate policies identical to those of the CDC, while allowing the agency to remain quietly in the background and avoid direct criticism.

In 1984, the CDC began forming “partnerships,” based on “cooperative agreements,” with large numbers of “community-based organizations,” for the purpose of AIDS “education” [read: indoctrination]. At first the funding was channeled through the United States Conference of Mayors, which dispersed the money to a growing network of AIDS activist groups. By 1985, the CDC was giving over $1 million to state governments, influencing their response to AIDS.

After 1986, the money began flowing freely, and the CDC’s corresponding influence expanded quickly. The American Red Cross alone received over $19 million from 1988 to 1991, cementing CDC control among medical institutions. Millions more were targeted to such groups as the American Medical Association, the National Association of People with AIDS (which operates as a coordinating center for much of the AIDS activist and gay rights movements), Americans for a Sound AIDS Policy (which generates CDC-approved materials for evangelical Christians), the National Education Association (the major teachers’ union), the National PTA, the National Association of Broadcasters (which represents most television and radio stations and their networks), the National Conference of State Legislatures, and dozens of others. Even such groups as the National Urban League, the National Council of La Raza, and the Center for Population Options receive CDC grants and other technical aid. Many specifically AIDS-related groups actually depend on CDC money for their very existence.

Naturally, the CDC has established mechanisms for ensuring that its money and other aid are used for the intended purposes. Organizations wishing to receive grants must not only file applications, but are pre-screened by having to send representatives to CDC workshops on how to apply. These meetings allow the CDC to meet and judge applicants directly. Furthermore, any organization receiving aid winds up having CDC supervision of its AIDS-related “educational” activities.

It is little wonder there is so much political pressure, from all sides, to defend both the virus-AIDS hypothesis and the CDC’s public health agenda.

As with so many non-contagious diseases in the past, the CDC has persuaded the public that AIDS is infectious. Thus the taxpayer is manipulated with fear to acquiesce to the radical measures being pushed by the agency. Where “safe sex” programs, sterile needle exchanges, Federal subsidies of drug addiction, and other CDC proposals would normally be thrown out — along with the officials who proposed them — many Americans suspend judgment.

Most people do not yet realize that the entire campaign has been orchestrated mostly by a single agency of the Federal government, rather than being a spontaneous decision by independent experts and activists. As intended, the CDC has been able to mobilize the scientists, the medical institutions, political bodies, the news media, and a bewildering array of AIDS organizations behind its hidden agenda. All such groups will lose their credibility once the public discovers the real source of the campaign, and honest skepticism will spread faster than AIDS itself.

Signs of imminent change are appearing. The CDC’s public health measures — condoms, sterile needles, contact tracing, and the like — have failed to prevent the steady growth of AIDS. As this bad advice is recognized for what it is, more voices are joining the chorus of dissent against the HIV-AIDS hypothesis. The CDC may soon have to hold HIV research meetings all by itself.

That is, if Congress doesn’t abolish the CDC first.


36 posted on 07/22/2008 5:34:08 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Full report, with respect to original post can be found here:

http://www.modernconservative.com/videos/Gallos_Egg_17Jul08.pdf


37 posted on 07/22/2008 5:36:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: All

PS If anyone wants on my (infrequent) AIDS PING LIST, drop me a FReepmail. All the best—GGG


38 posted on 07/22/2008 5:56:42 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Stentor; Marty; Fractal Trader; DaveLoneRanger; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; John Valentine; ...

I tried to send this before, but for some reason it only listed on recipient. The links I tried to send to you are directly above. Having said that, I think you will find this thread of interest. All the best—GGG


39 posted on 07/22/2008 6:26:42 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: allmendream
Immune deficiency was almost unheard of until HIV was found in humans. Now almost all people with immune deficiencies are found to have HIV exposure. Strong correlation.

Stunningly ignorant and illogical.

The epidemiology of HIV indicates that it has been endemic in humans for centuries. It is NOTHING like the epidemiology of AIDS. HIV is found in thousands of humans with NO symptoms of AIDS Symptoms of AIDS are are found in thousands of humans with NO HIV. None of these individuals are diagnosed with AIDS. Why? Because AIDS is not a disease, it is a syndrome defined as the presence of one or more of several marker diseases in an individual who tests positive for HIV antibodies.

With a definition like this, it's not surprising that you have a "strong correlation of HIV with AIDS. It's DEFINED that way.

But, leave an HIV positive, non-IV drug user, non-buggerer, non-malnourished, otherwise normal person alone, and there is NO greater chance of developing an AIDS associated disease than anyone else in the general population. Give them anti-HIV drug cocktails, and you'll eventually kill 'em dead.

40 posted on 07/22/2008 7:20:28 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine
The epidemiology of HIV indicates that it has been endemic in humans for centuries. It is NOTHING like the epidemiology of AIDS. Reference or citation?
41 posted on 07/22/2008 8:24:13 PM PDT by cacoethes_resipisco
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To: cacoethes_resipisco

The reference isn’t with me, it’s in a book on my bookshelf about 6,00 miles from where I am, but I’m sure I can dig up a web reference. Give me a few hours to get this done. You can be sure I am absolutely accurate in my statement, though.


42 posted on 07/22/2008 8:35:23 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: GodGunsGuts
Deny the HIV to AIDS connection and you'll be attacked, crushed, and ruined

Really? Who woulda thunk?

43 posted on 07/22/2008 8:45:12 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional; GodGunsGuts
A couple of points occur to me.

Most important, Mr. Baker is utterly wrong to see the pharmaceutical industry as the cause of the trouble; rather, it's the government itself that is the center of the problem. I believe that Ronald Reagan said something like: government is not the solution, government is the problem. It is tragic that his Secretary of HHS did not take these words to heart.

The mention of Ryan White reminds me: did nobody but me think it paradoxical that nobody blamed the government for stigmatizing this young man as carrying a deadly and contagious disease, while a local school board was vociferously blamed for believing it?

44 posted on 07/22/2008 8:57:36 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: metmom

Yep, the last bastion of trust in our society—namely, blind trust in the motives of those who wear white lab coats—is about to vanish once the truth about AIDS and Global Warming come out. This is what happens when the power of government gets involved in almost any human endeavor. The sooner we get government out of the science business the better!


45 posted on 07/22/2008 9:21:36 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


46 posted on 07/22/2008 9:30:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Christopher Lincoln

You are quite right. The government is most certainly at the center of the AIDS fraud. But secondarily, many key players in the pharmaceutical industry played along, cashed in, used their power and influence to add to the hysteria and squelch debate, conducted fraudulent drug trials, and concocted AIDS chemotherapy drugs that continue to maim and kill the poor unsuspecting souls who take them.


47 posted on 07/22/2008 9:37:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional; Vaquero; Mr. K; MeanWestTexan; happinesswithoutpeace; ...
It's not good for science, but the personal can become either political or not good for business. It's just human nature, IMHO. If you get lost in biochemistry, genetics and immunology, I have some simpler questions at the end.

Unwelcome guests with master keys: how HIV enters cells and how it can be stopped.

HIV entry to host cells begins with binding of the viral envelope protein to CD4 molecules on the host cell surface. This binding initiates conformational changes in the envelope protein that result in binding to a coreceptor (CCR5 or CXCR4), exposure of a previously hidden domain in the viral protein, insertion of a viral fusion peptide into the host-cell membrane and fusing the viral and cell membranes. Each of these steps provides an opportunity for intervention to prevent viral entry, and a number of agents targeting these steps are in development. Studies of coreceptor inhibitors and fusion inhibitors have indicated the presence of host and viral factors that can result in variability of antiretroviral effect. Improved understanding of these factors will help to guide clinical use of these new agents. This article summarizes a presentation by Robert W. Doms, MD, PhD, at the International AIDS Society-USA course in Chicago in May 2004.

Inhibition of Human Immunodeficiency Virus Replication by a Dual CCR5/CXCR4 Antagonist

The fact that some healthy individuals, who were repeatedly exposed to HIV infection but remained uninfected, were found to be homozygous for a 32-bp deletion in the CCR5 gene (20, 42, 52) triggered the search for CCR5 antagonists as potential anti-HIV agents.

Gene fights off HIV

CCL3L1, the gene identified in the new study, makes a protein that also binds to CCR5. Ahuja suggests that people with extra copies of this gene are more resistant to HIV because they make more CCL3L1, and cuts the amount of CCR5 around for the virus to attach to and therefore prevents it from entering white blood cells.

Pathologists Believe They Have Pinpointed Achilles Heel Of HIV

It's an interesting press release and thread. Here's the title of the original article and abstract, i.e. a brief summary.

Catalytic antibodies to HIV: Physiological role and potential clinical utility.

Immunoglobulins (Igs) in uninfected humans recognize residues 421-433 located in the B cell superantigenic site (SAg) of the HIV envelope protein gp120 and catalyze its hydrolysis by a serine protease-like mechanism. The catalytic activity is encoded by germline Ig variable (V) region genes, and is expressed at robust levels by IgMs and IgAs but poorly by IgGs. Mucosal IgAs are highly catalytic and neutralize HIV, suggesting that they constitute a first line of defense against HIV. Lupus patients produce the Igs at enhanced levels. Homology of the 421-433 region with an endogenous retroviral sequence and a bacterial protein may provide clues about the antigen driving anti-SAg synthesis in lupus patients and uninfected subjects. The potency and breadth of HIV neutralization revives hopes of clinical application of catalytic anti-421-433 Igs as immunotherapeutic and topical microbicide reagents. Adaptive improvement of anti-SAg catalytic Igs in HIV infected subjects is not customary. Further study of the properties of the naturally occurring anti-SAg catalytic Igs should provide valuable guidance in designing a prophylactic vaccine that amplifies protective catalytic immunity to HIV.

Here are the questions if HIV does not cause AIDS:

How did large numbers of people in China get it after they donated blood? 23 August 2001
The Agence France Presse (AFP) reported that “China admitted for the first time that tens of thousands of its citizens have been infected with the AIDS virus.” Deputy Health Minister Yin Dakui stated, “A large number of blood sellers have been infected with HIV due to illegal blood plasma.” The “illegal” blood collection stations usually collected and pooled blood from poor farmers, separated the plasma, and then returns the contaminated blood back to the donators. Yin said, that "so far the problem of HIV infection caused by blood donations had only affected several provinces in central China.”

How do you explain the drop in new HIV/AIDS cases after blood was screened for HIV before transfusion of blood and blood products?

Why does giving antiretroviral drugs to HIV positive pregnant women just before and around the birth of their children reduce the rate of HIV positive children being born?

Why do HIV negative children breastfeeding from HIV positive mothers get AIDS and die from it?

Why do the highly active antiretroviral therapy(HAART) drugs decrease mortality and increase longevity?

As far as I'm concerned, Peter Duesberg has only one valid question - the diagnostic accuracy in Africa, but he ignores all of the good outcomes from using antiretroviral drugs there. He's fixated on homosexuals using amyl nitrate "poppers." Other than being a mind altering substance and less inhibited about being promiscuous, I don't see an explanation from Duesberg for why homosexuals get AIDS.

The same goes for intravenous drug abusers. They don't get AIDS if they use clean needles and don't share.(PERIOD!) And yes, they do exist. Not everyone is your typical junkie. Chronic alcoholics are more readily recognized for being immunocompromised. Check the abstract with this link. I almost forgot it.

Antiretroviral therapy and mother-to-child transmission of HIV-1.

P.S. If the CDC is such an all powerful entity, then why aren't HIV positive people who have spread it to more than one person quarantined?

48 posted on 07/23/2008 1:08:08 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: dalereed
If queers are spreading it among themselves help them spread it faster!

But they're not. It's not much, but it's enough to sustain the prevalence outside their cohort through heterosexal contact and intravenous drug abuse.

Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2006

50 posted on 07/23/2008 2:08:15 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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