Brazil is a leader in a Latin America with leftist currents: McCain

AFP via Google News ^ | 2008-07-22

[rabscuttle385]

SAO PAULO (AFP) — Brazil should have a role as a leader in Latin America to counter "disturbing" leftist trends embodied by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez or Colombia's FARC guerrillas, US presidential candidate John McCain has told one of the biggest Brazilian newspapers.

"There are disturbing trends in the region, like the anti-American socialism of Hugo Chavez.... Against these trends, Brazil represents something totally different, a successful country with a brilliant future," Tuesday's O Estado de S. Paulo daily said McCain wrote in an e-mail interview.

The US Republican candidate said, according to the Portuguese translation of his comments, that Brazil represents "the sort of leadership America should welcome in the hemisphere."

[Perdogg]

what is your point?

[griswold3]

but, but, but Obama says Brazil is a good example of government!!!

[wideawake]

Or maybe the point is that McCain was complimenting his hosts while giving them a little political lesson.

[Perdogg]

This what was said. You are correct about Lulu, but Lulu with an 8th grade education and a drunk has figured out energy Independence. McCain also said that he would not help Brazil get a rearmament seat of the UN Security Council. And yes I do speak Portuguese.

O Brasil tem “um papel de liderança a desempenhar na América Latina”, em meio a “tendências perturbadoras” como o “socialismo antiamericano” da Venezuela e a ação das Forças Armadas Revolucionárias da Colômbia (Farc). Essa é a opinião do candidato republicano à presidência dos EUA, John McCain, que respondeu, via e-mail, a perguntas do Estado.

“Existem tendências perturbadoras na região, como o socialismo antiamericano de Hugo Chávez e as sucessivas tentativas das Farc de solapar a segurança e a democracia na Colômbia. Diante dessas tendências, o Brasil representa algo totalmente diferente - um país bem-sucedido com um futuro brilhante”, escreveu McCain.

O republicano ressaltou a possibilidade de uma parceria com os EUA. “(O Brasil está) comprometido com valores que compartilhamos, incluindo respeito aos direitos humanos, expansão da liberdade, desenvolvimento econômico e engajamento internacional respeitando as regras”, disse. “Esse é o tipo de liderança que a América deveria acolher no hemisfério.”

McCain diz que, se vencer as eleições, apoiará o aumento da participação do País em instituições internacionais, “incluindo o G-8 e uma potencial Liga das Democracias”, mas não se compromete a apoiar a inclusão do Brasil como membro permanente do Conselho de Segurança da ONU. A Liga das Democracias seria uma aliança entre grandes democracias destinada a se contrapor a regimes autoritários como China e Rússia.

[rabscuttle385]

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[wideawake]

I would also point out that doctrinaire socialists staged a noisy walkout from Lula's party in 2005 and called him some very nasty names for "betraying socialism."

They now have their own party.

[cake_crumb]

Purists will go ballistic over this, but I agree with McCain (**SHUDDER**)

[cake_crumb]

Heil Obama!!

[Perdogg]

Here is the article

Diferentemente dos democratas, o senador enfatiza a importância da liberalização do comércio na região: "Trabalharei duro para derrubar as barreiras ao comércio e investimento." McCain já disse inúmeras vezes que quer acabar com a tarifa de importação sobre o etanol e eliminar o subsídio ao etanol de milho americano. O democrata Barack Obama defende a cooperação energética com o Brasil, mas não quer acabar com a tarifa nem com o subsídio. "Precisamos reformar a política de apoio ao açúcar nos EUA, que mantém os preços artificialmente altos, e eliminar a tarifa de US$ 0,54 por galão sobre etanol importado. Isso vai ajudar a reduzir a dependência dos EUA do petróleo e ajudar a construir uma indústria de etanol viável no país", disse McCain. "Pretendo desenvolver políticas agrícolas que permitam aos agricultores nos dois países terem igualdade competitiva." No mês passado, McCain disse que a política externa americana deve concentrar-se na guerra ao terror.

"Enquanto dedicamos nossa energia a outras regiões, novas e perigosas forças ocuparam espaços (na América Latina). Chávez tem usado a fachada da legitimidade eleitoral para estabelecer uma ditadura de partido único na Venezuela; ele deu novo fôlego ao decadente regime dos Castros em Cuba, aliou-se ao Irã e outros inimigos dos EUA e apoiou forças populistas e antiamericanas no hemisfério. Enquanto os EUA estavam ocupados em outros lugares, a China lançou uma ofensiva diplomática e econômica na região, com intenções e resultados incertos. E há entre alguns latino-americanos crescente rejeição às democracias de livre mercado", disse. "Se eu for eleito, os EUA lançarão uma nova política para a região, com base na paz e segurança, prosperidade, democracia e liberdade e respeito mútuo."

[SAJ]

Translacion, por favor?

[atomic conspiracy]

Quite correct. Lula is a lefty himself and was one of the Chavez’s closest allies during the early days of the latter’s rule. The socialist comrades have had something of a falling out in recent years, however, and even Lula is beginning to recognize the threat now. In any case, he has nothing like the degree of control over Brazilian society that Chavez has in Venezuela.

[cake_crumb]

That poster sure looks familiar...

143 days in the US senate. No Record. No past. No birth certificate. No press core allowed. No media interviews allowed during his "diplomatic trip". But go ahead, McCain belongs under th bus more than Bush did.

When you get your way you will be looking around, wondering where the "'em" are that that'll learn.

That poster sure looks familiar...

[Ben Ficklin]

Latin America's Two Left Wings

[cake_crumb]

"In any case, he has nothing like the degree of control over Brazilian society that Chavez has in Venezuela."

From what I can tell as a socioanthropologist who seems to do nothing BUT politics anymore, they're locking into a power struggle that may turn into a full blown vendetta at some point in the future. Our boy Obama will back Chavez.

[Perdogg]

It's Portuguese, not Spanish.

McCain says he wants to eliminate agricultural tariffs and wants a new cooperation with Latin American. There is nothing new here. He also opposes a permanent seat on the UN Security council for Brazil

[rabscuttle385]

When you get your way you will be looking around, wondering where the "'em" are that that'll learn.

I'm not supporting Obama; I'm not supporting McCain either. They are both for Bigger Government and increased government micromanaging of U.S. citizens' lives.

As for posters, my dad grew up in a Soviet satellite, and my mom was a diplomat (for another country) in that same Soviet satellite, until they escaped to the United States, so please. I'm already educated as to the ills of Socialism.

[Perdogg]

Lulu ran for President in 1989 with the Brazilian Workers Party and lost to Fernado Cardoso. Lulu has an 8th grade education and has been accused of being a drunk.

Yet, he has managed to make Brazil somewhat energy independent. Somethign Ma Pelosi cannot do.

[SAJ]

Yabbut I don't speak **any** Portuguese.

Thanks!

[cake_crumb]

We're together on supporting neither. HOWEVER, a vote against McCain at this point is a vote for Obama. Rationalize all you want, but that's the crux. I've been doing almost nothing but politics (and terrorism, especially as Yasser's Nazi-esqe prapaganda campaign and al Qaeda's paling attempt to imitate it relates to the political landscape), I am calling it as the patterns show it to be. I'm projecting a known known behavioral patterns and their logical end result a short time into the future, and my error rate is vanishingly small when I do this.

MaCain is bad but survivable. HE might be the lesson you want 'em" to learn...Obama would be the destruction of this country.

[Perdogg]

Did you actually read the article?

[Perdogg]

I have never seen any body on the “Juan McCain” list criticize Obama.

[cake_crumb]

Ah...my ancestors on one side escaped here from Soviet Russia to Germay, of all places, and then some managed to escape Hitler to get here (some stayed in the USSR and suffered for it, dying in Siberian camps). On the other side, they escaped Moussolini.

Those posters are NOT MY INVENTION. The Obama one is HIS OWN CAMPAIGN POSTER. The OTHER is a fact of history. What was your point there?

[cake_crumb]

Yeah, it must be a sad, sad coincidence.

[rabscuttle385]

I'm a conservative. McCain is...well, a closeted liberal. Why should I vote for a RINO?

McCain is an opportunist. With a Dem-RINO majority, he will probably cave on amnesty and carbon credits, to say the least. I am unwilling to support that. It does no good to start wars halfway around the world if you are willing to leave your borders undefended and your back door unlocked and wide open for criminals like this one. In fact, it's downright hypocritical for McCain to claim that he is strong on national defense when he is also a leading proponent of enticing foreign nationals to enter and to violate U.S. law.

[cake_crumb]

Credit where credit is due, and I forgot to ping you to this.

[rabscuttle385]

What was your point there?

I've seen Obama's posters, and it's not particularly hard to read him as a tool and puppet for Socialists. I think he's a jackass, and that's why I will not vote for Obama in November (or sooner, depending on when I get my absentee ballot).

That said, I am wary of Freepers and others who claim that unless I start cheering for McCain, that I am an Obama supporter. That is simply not true at all.

[cake_crumb]

What do you think Barack Obama is?? A conservative?? He's a confidence man and SO good at it he's TELLING THE WORLD what he is and the left is rationalizing and loving him for it because they don't see it. They see business as usual down the road, so they can continue to happily hate their own country, but Barack Obama is something different. If you want him as your benevolent dictator in chief, be my guest and vote your conscience, but Perdogg's right, I don't see any of you third party-ists dissing anyone but the Republican candidate.

It's different this time. If I can't convince you, you'll have to learn for yourself.

[calcowgirl]

"Se eu for eleito, os EUA lançarão uma nova política para a região, com base na paz e segurança, prosperidade, democracia e liberdade e respeito mútuo."

"If I am elected, the U.S. will launch a new policy for the region based on peace and security, prosperity, democracy and freedom and mutual respect."

I wish one of the candidates cared more about security, prosperity, and freedom in the United States.

[cake_crumb]

One of them does care more about security, economic prosperity and freedom...and, sad to say, it's really McCain. It really is. He wants to stay the course in the war on terror, make the Bush tax cuts permanent, and has changed his mind about offshore drilling.

As far left as McCain is, Obama is further - in fact, you'd need a deep space telescope like Hubble in order to plot his ideology on the geopolitical landscape. And he's not hiding it! PT Barnum could learn at his feet! He has the media to cherry pick for him! And we, the American people, are sitting back like it's business as usual and letting it happen!

[cake_crumb]

I don’t recall asking you to cheer for McCain. It’s with a shudder I’m picking him in November as the only chance we have to beat Obama. Read ANY of the threads concerning the 2004 election. Come to think of it. read any of the election threads up to the point where McCain wound up as the last candidate standing. I’m all over them. I never made any secret of my overall opinion of McCain. I just want to know WHOM you ARE shilling for? You KNOW Obama’s a jackass? You post that on every thread, with examples, do you? You expend EFFORT on informing lurkers of what Obama really is? I doubt it.

[Perdogg]

You didn’t read the entire artile. He said he would lower trade barriers to encourage investment in the US.

[calcowgirl]

Here is what I have said about Obama:

"I think Obama is a 2nd or 3rd generation communist."

What else is there really to say?

I stand with all of those who oppose leftist policies. Our disagreements come when some are willing to accept those policies and refuse to fight against them as long as they have an "R" next to them.

There are real issues with Obama. But everytime I go on an Obama thread, all I see is hysterical shrieking that "Obama will destroy the world" or that "he is a Moooooooslim!!!!" At least folks will fight Obama (even if it is for inaccurate reasoning). If the "Right" showed the same backbone to fight liberalism(R), I would not see McCain as such a threat to the country.

[calcowgirl]

You didn’t read the entire artile.

Because I did not comment on every sentence in the article does not mean I did not read the entire article. I did.

[AuntB]

“That said, I am wary of Freepers and others who claim that unless I start cheering for McCain, that I am an Obama supporter. That is simply not true at all. “

I feel sorry for them. Really, that’s all they can do. They have to insult us, because they can’t throw his record or anything else positive at us to make us support McCain. I mean, how many times can they say,” But, he was a POW!”

[TADSLOS]

I mean, how many times can they say,” But, he was a POW!”

As many times as there are living Hanoi Hilton cell mates, apparently. These McCain POW stories hit the presses about once every 10 days to remind us of McCain's sterling character that is now and forever long gone. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see McCain show up at a town hall hullabaloo with a faded blue POW shirt on sending his message out in tap code.

[Perdogg]

Tell me, how is this article an indictment of McCain?

You people are grasping at straws every day trying to find a reason to really hate McCain. I don’t always agree with McCain, nor did I vote for him in the primary, but there is nothing in this article, which people haven’t really read, that is a **smoking gun** on McCain.

Who do you plan on replacing McCain with - Hucksterbee? Ron Paul??

[CottonBall]

But go ahead, McCain belongs under th bus more than Bush did.

Absolutely. McCain is much more liberal than even Bush ended up being. And McCain has already stabbed conservatives in the back, with glee. Electing him will give him authority to do it even more viciously.

We settled for the lesser of evils in the last 2 elections, hoping and telling ourselves if we follow the party line THIS time, we'd get a conservative next time around. And we got McCain! What a joke. And the joke was on us. IMO, never again will I settle. Who will we get next if we do? How much worse a candidate can there be than McCain?

[AuntB]

“Tell me, how is this article an indictment of McCain?”

I didn’t say it was.

Try to keep up instead of chirping ‘McCain hater’....we don’t need to look for reasons, he’s given us plenty. If you agree with his policies and temperment, bully for ya!

[djsherin]

“I have never seen any body on the “Juan McCain” list criticize Obama.”

Obama is a worthless piece of socialist whale poo. He wants to raise taxes across the board which will hurt the economy. He wants income redistribution and universal health “care”. He wants increases in spending for civilian corp programs and uses fascistic type propaganda (most people don’t see it as such, but most people don’t know what fascism is). He won’t allow new drilling or nuclear. He wants to pay for global poverty which not only won’t work and can’t be authorized by the Constitution, but will cost billions if not trillions of taxpayer money. He wants to fight “global warming” and will justify market regulation and further taxation to achieve this “goal”. I could go on.

Satisfied that we don’t like Obama?

[djsherin]

Very well said. I’ve long held that we can’t achieve anything abroad until we secure and protect our own borders.

[Perdogg]

Absolutely we need to secure our own borders. Bob Barr says he will give amnesty to every one who passes a security check.

Bob Barr also doesn’t think there is a Islamofascist threat, McCain does.

[djsherin]

I’m not voting for Barr. I’m voting for Baldwin. I know I’ll get crap about the WOT but I think it’s absurd to fight 2 wars abroad when we can’t even secure our own borders. I mean we have 70,000 troops in Japan and Korea and nearly as many troops in Europe as Iraq and we can’t secure our own borders? I realize in this instance I’m preaching to the choir but it’s so ridiculous to me that we spend so much money and have so many troops in other countries doing what we should be doing here. Japan can defend itself.