Contact your Congress critters to let them know that you are tired of high gas prices.
Posted on 07/23/2008 7:46:48 AM PDT by kellynla
The Bush administration on Tuesday released proposed rules administering commercial oil shale development on public lands in Utah, Colorado and Wyoming to provide "critical rules of the road" for investors.
The rules would govern lease management and royalty payments should extracting kerogen from rock for further refining into fuel ever prove economically feasible - an open question given the likelihood of carbon taxes, lack of available Colorado River water and a host of environmental protection restrictions.
The rules proposed by the Department of the Interior are part of an election-year push by Republicans to support development of oil shale, which a Rand Corp. study last year said could yield as much as 800 billion barrels of oil.
"As Americans pay more than $4 for a gallon of gasoline and watch energy prices continue to climb higher and higher, we need to be doing more to develop our own energy here at home, through resources such as oil shale," said Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne. "Instead, I find it ironic that we are asking countries halfway around the world to produce more for us."
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Carbon taxes. The new Nigerian scam.
I’m curious...what’s the process (if any) by which oil shale companies replenish the land after extraction?
There are approximately 3 TRILLION barrels of oil in oil shale reserves, world-wide. Of that 3 TRILLION barrels, the US has at least 62% of proven oil shale reserves, or about 2 TRILLION barrels.
The cost to refine that shale is estimated to stabilize around $50 per barrel.
Why are the democrat/socialists against US energy independance ?
Replenish what? Have you ever seen the WY-UT-CO shale areas? Mostly a moonscape to start with.
It is accomplished by drilling, below ground heating and pumping. The top side is essentially undisturbed.
Raytheon has a similar method using radio frequency technology to release the oil without removing the shale.
Turn it into a big ATV park.
Reference for some trying to stop this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2049339/posts?page=2#2
I've always thought these were lowball numbers, but, notwithstanding, $50 sounds pretty high.
Of course, who's to know what extraneous costs the bozos in goobermint will impose on this production, eh?
There was also reference on Free Republic to another shale oil production that produced water.
There ought to be some sort of mkt for the sterile rock residue, too. Lining rail track, for instance -- this would save railroads from having to use any soil sterilant. Perhaps even pressing the residue shales into some sort of building material, even billiard tables.
This whole deal is nothing but win-win-win for the nation...which, I think, is why the envirokookfanaticdingbats are so adamant about not allowing kerogen from shale to be produced.
Can you use salt water steam?
Okay, but what I am wondering , critics claim that there isn’t enough water to do this. Is that inaccurate because of the present technology?
Shell's technique involves lining production areas with ice, and recycling much of the water involved. It **sounds** as if there might be a considerable amount of net water usage, but, again, I'm not an engineer.
Which is why we should START in WY and UT. Then, when King Ritter of Spendthrift sees all the revenue accruing to those states, he’ll get on board.
“The Unocal commercial demonstration plant project in the Colorado Piceance Creek Basin actually produced more water than it consumed, as former Paraho Corporation head Larry Lukens found from talking with Unocal’s engineers. Colorado oil shale contains, on average, 2-5% by weight of water. That water is liberated from the rock during the ‘retorting’ process. Unocal actually had to construct evaporation ponds to get rid of all the excess water generated.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2032240/posts
I would not call the water a non-issue, but an issue that can be addressed.
king Ritter has closed drilling for 3 months so the animals will not be disturbed. He is aboard the wrong buss just like when he was denver DA and released 98% of criminal illegals. This “spendthrift” wants to raise taxes $330 million and wants $100 per vehicle for tax.
okay, thanks, I’ll wait to see what thackney has to say about this...
When the process is done do you have rubble or sand?
Stick a straw into Lake Superior, defeat OPEC.
Contact your Congress critters to let them know that you are tired of high gas prices.
Probably, but why would you?
I know this is the line being repeated endlessly by the environmentalists, but I attended Shell's conference on their new in-situ technique of extraction, and it uses water that is available in the rock, and doesn't require any extra water. Anyone who looked at a map could see that the Colorado river abuts only a tiny portion of the oil shale reserves anyway, so whether there is extra water available in the Colorado River is really not even relevant.
There is a lot of water in the shale oil formation that becomes available upon the fracturing that is part of the new extraction process.
It's not an aquifer, it's water held in the tight pore spaces of the shale, so it won't affect any existing water rights.
That in-situ water is frozen into a curtain of ice that surrounds the extraction area. Then the oil is pumped out - it's light sweet crude , of the highest quality and isn't going to require much, if any, refining.When the site is finished, the ice curtain will be melted in place. There is no tailings pile, no waste water , no clean-up except to re-vegetate a small well pad.
It is viable, as Shell's willingness to commit real money toward it, and it could solve our oil problems cleanly and efferently.
That's why our Democratic friends in Congress are doing everything they can to stop it.
Hadn’t seen the excess water stuff before, nevermind.
I brought it up because NM is floating on an ocean of saltwater.
Then, after I posted, it occured to me that once converted to steam, it will be a lot less salty, anyway.
DOH!
1.2.6 WATER AVAILABILITY
The development of western oil shale resources will require water for plant operations, supporting infrastructure, and the associated economic growth in the region. While some new oil shale technologies significantly reduce process water requirements, stable and secure sources of significant volumes of water may still be required for large-scale oil shale development. The largest demands for water are expected to be for land reclamation and to support the population and economic growth associated with oil shale activity.
Strategic Significance of America’s Oil Shale Resource
Volume II, Oil Shale Resources, Technology and Economics
http://www.unconventionalfuels.org/publications/reports/npr_strategic_significancev2.pdf
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Fund ITER.
“but I attended Shell’s conference on their new in-situ technique of extraction, and it uses water that is available in the rock, and doesn’t require any extra water.”
Excellent!
Now we’re getting down to cases. Thanks for info!
Kelly
My bet? You end up with the formation(s) largely intact, say 70% or so, and somewhat gooey or slimy. Then, the kerogen that can not be extracted will harden up again after a time, and you're back to rock.
Please note that I am not a petroengineer. Frankly, I'd suggest calling Shell or Raytheon. Pretty clearly, it's to their advantage to put out as much information as possible on their respective processes, bar (naturally) any proprietary stuff.
(sorry, couldn't resist...)
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C’mon, mate. You know perfectly well that the enviromarxists will say absolutely anything to halt production. If ‘truth’ isn’t available, any lie that sounds even marginally plausible will suit them right down to the ground.
Me, too !
Efficiently, it should have said.
Those inconvenient little facts, of course, won't stop the enviromarxists from repeating their 'animals' argument every hour on the hour.
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Carbon taxes. The new Nigerian scam.
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What a crock, ain’t it? Our SOCIALIST federal government hard at work, stealing the nation’s wealth and redistributing it for POWER AND CONTROL.
Yep- that's why the new CO regulations focused on protecting the prairie dog nesting season - no drilling for three months while the prairie dogs have their babies. And while they're busy protecting them on that end, all the cities and towns around here are busy exterminating them because they all carry the bubonic plague.
No lie !
“It is NOT a nice area in which to live.”
Oh, so it is similar to ANWR.
I shouldn’t doubt you for a single moment, m’friend. There are absolutely no lies/excuses, no matter how ludicrous, that the enviromarxists will not employ in order to stop energy production.
Nope. It’s much, much rockier. Never been to ANWR, but from the photos I’ve seen, it appears to be a cold climate desert, very flat with minimal vegetation.
Catering to the will of an eco minority is tyranny.
“Catering to the will of an eco minority is tyranny”
and failure to “get off our foreign oil dependency” is paying for the WOT on BOTH ENDS!
How dumb is that!
That’s very well put. WTG!
I am a gearhead, WOT to me means WIDE OPEN THROTTLE.
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