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Riddle of Lusitania sinking may finally be solved
The Times (London) ^

Posted on 07/23/2008 1:00:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway

American entrepreneur Gregg Bemis finally gets courts go-ahead to explore the wreck off Ireland

It is the best known shipwreck lying on the Irish seabed, but it is only today that the owner of the Lusitania will finally begin the first extensive visual documentation of the luxury liner that sank 93 years ago.

Gregg Bemis, who bought the remains of the vessel for £1,000 from former partners in a diving business in 1968, has been granted an imaging licence by the Department of the Environment. This allows him to photograph and film the entire structure, and should allow him to produce the first high-resolution pictures of the historic vessel.

The RMS Lusitania sank off the coast of Cork in May 1915 when a German U-boat torpedoed it. An undetermined second explosion is believed to have speeded its sinking, with 1,198 passengers and crew losing their lives.

Bemis is hoping that the week-long filming project, which begins today, will prove his theory that the Lusitania was carrying explosives, and that these were the cause of the mysterious second blast.

“I want to find out where the second explosion took place and why,” he said. “I believe there were explosives on board. I can tell the whole world that, but they’re not going to believe me until we get down there and get proof.”

JWM Productions will film the project for a television series to be shown on the Discovery Channel next year.

The 80-year-old entrepreneur only won the right to explore the wreckage,

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: documentary; fartyshadesofgreen; germany; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; greggbemis; ireland; lusitania; shipwreck; uboat; uboats; worldwar1; worldwari; wwi
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To: nickcarraway

“Bemis is hoping that the week-long filming project, which begins today, will prove his theory that the Lusitania was carrying explosives, and that these were the cause of the mysterious second blast.”

I believe dives have already brought up explosive armaments? I recall seeing a program some time ago where they showed caps made by bethlehem steel that had been recovered.


21 posted on 07/23/2008 1:14:52 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: LS

Hey, I’m glad we got into WWI but munitions should not have been shipped in passenger liners. Bad idea.


22 posted on 07/23/2008 1:14:52 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Of course, if you question whether we should have gotten into the First World War, you must be pro-Hitler.

Only to those who are confused over their wars :)

23 posted on 07/23/2008 1:15:46 PM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: nickcarraway

Read it was coal dust that caused the major damage when it exploded from the torpedo ....


24 posted on 07/23/2008 1:16:00 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("What Our Enemies Couldn't Do Our Politicians Will")
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To: null and void
Yeah but....Yeah but....

Their kind of gumbmt is headed our way. Vote Republican!

25 posted on 07/23/2008 1:16:24 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: nickcarraway

The Germans were sinking hundreds of American ships before we entered the war 1917. Their aggressive subjugation of Europe and their lunatic Kaiser were unbearable, as were their barbaric cutthroat Ottoman buddies. It was the German Empire which also enabled the Bolshevik Revolution under Lenin. They started a heck of a mess globally. They had to be stopped. The post-war politics and Versailles Treaty were screw-ups however.


26 posted on 07/23/2008 1:16:53 PM PDT by SolidWood (Obamarxislamism, the threat to our Republic!)
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To: jalisco555

There is speculation that churchill (head of the admiralty until the Lusitania sinking iirc) was in fact having passenger liners carry armaments, making them *valid* war targets, in order to try to get one/more sunk and draw the americans into the war.


27 posted on 07/23/2008 1:17:27 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: LS
the U-boats were NOT to be torpedoing passenger liners and they had promised not to do so in any event.

Horse sh..., uh road apples:

The first clear indication of increased peril to LUSITANIA was the extraordinary notice placed in American newspapers by the German Embassy on 1 May 1915, the day the Cunarder sailed: "Travellers intending to embark on the Atlantic voyage are reminded that a state of war exists between Germany and her allies and Great Britain and her allies; that the zone of war includes the waters adjacent to the British Isles; that, in accordance with formal notice given by the Imperial German Government, vessels flying the flag of Great Britain, or of any of her allies, are liable to destruction in those waters and that travellers sailing in the war zone on ships of Great Britain or her allies do so at their own risk."

28 posted on 07/23/2008 1:18:08 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: uglybiker

“If it’s his, why does he have to get permission to take pictures of it?”

Because the Irish government claimed the wreck as an archaeological site to protect it from the scavengers that had been diving to her and removing relics, as well as various naval entities that had been using her for target practice over the years.


29 posted on 07/23/2008 1:18:17 PM PDT by LAforme2008
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To: jalisco555

RMS Lusitania was supposedly an “auxiliary cruiser”
of the Royal Navy. Perhaps that was the justification.

Of course its possible that a German sympathizer among
the longshoremen reported the cargo to the embassy.

Fascinating if a message from the embassy in Washington DC
turnsed up in the German archives..


30 posted on 07/23/2008 1:18:19 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: nickcarraway

31 posted on 07/23/2008 1:19:10 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: bcsco
Only to those who are confused over their wars :)

I think the German Army should bring back those spikey helmets. Man those were the bee's knees. Why can't OUR army have spikes on our helmets?

32 posted on 07/23/2008 1:19:16 PM PDT by Hazwaste (Vote! Vote for the conservative local, state, and national candidates of your choice, but VOTE!)
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To: LAforme2008
So, it's not really his then, is it?
33 posted on 07/23/2008 1:19:57 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: Truth29
I would ask the same question, but I suspect the answer is the government wouldn’t get any money if they just let people have free access to their own property.

Yeah. Same reason you need a permit to replace your own leaking water heater.

34 posted on 07/23/2008 1:20:10 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: Battle Axe
Their kind of gumbmt is headed our way. Vote Republican!

Really? That will stop it? Evidence please?

35 posted on 07/23/2008 1:21:39 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: WoofDog123
There is speculation that churchill (head of the admiralty until the Lusitania sinking iirc) was in fact having passenger liners carry armaments, making them *valid* war targets, in order to try to get one/more sunk and draw the americans into the war.

I know it has become fashionable in certain circles lately to demonize Churchill but I won't buy this until I see some documentation.

36 posted on 07/23/2008 1:22:08 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jalisco555

“Hey, I’m glad we got into WWI but munitions should not have been shipped in passenger liners. Bad idea.”

Unfortunately because the British government subsidized a good deal of the construction of the Cunard and White Star fleets, there was an agreement in place that during wartime they could use those ships for the war effort, whether it be taking them out of passenger service and conscripting them as troop ships or to carry materials to aid the war effort in the course of their regular travels.


37 posted on 07/23/2008 1:22:27 PM PDT by LAforme2008
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To: LS
It took the sinking of a DOZEN U.S. ships by the Germans, after repeated promises not to sink neutrals

AND the Zimmerman note....

38 posted on 07/23/2008 1:23:00 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: nickcarraway
Coal Dust Explosion
39 posted on 07/23/2008 1:23:12 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: bcsco; Arthur McGowan
Of course, if you question whether we should have gotten into the First World War, you must be pro-Hitler.

Only to those who are confused over their wars :)

It was attitudes like yours that led to the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor...

40 posted on 07/23/2008 1:23:35 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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