Hillary Donors Not Backing Obama

newsmax.com ^ | July 23, 2008

[Free ThinkerNY]

Of the 311 fundraisers who bundled more than $100,000 in donations for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, only eight are on the list of contributors to Barack Obama’s campaign in June.

Their total for the month: just $19,250.

“The fact that fewer than 3 percent of Clinton’s donors have donated any money directly to Obama in his first month as presumptive nominee is likely to raise the eyebrows of some leaders in the Democratic Party who are hoping to see signs of unity,” the Huffington Post observed.

The Washington Post reported that a total of 2,200 individual Clinton donors — as distinct from the big-money fundraisers tracked by the Huffington Post — became first-time donors to Obama’s campaign in June. They contributed $1.8 million, or just 4 percent, of the $52 million the campaign raised last month.

[DoughtyOne]

Are you listening Juan? There’s a VP soul mate pining away out there... with donors in tow.

I can just see those clinched teeth, with him thinking, “Oh man, how can I pull this off?”

[AmericaUnited]

They are keeping their powder dry knowing that Operation Brutus is in the works.

[Snurple]

Hillary Donors Not Backing Obama

Ha ha, Denver is going to be a real freak show. Talk about purgatory...1000s of crazy libs fighting amongst themselves and nothing to eat but tofu...damn.

[AmericaUnited]

Anyone who still thinks this country can survive 4 years of Obama, epecially what we’ve seen the past few weeks, is just not firing on all cylinders.

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[freeangel]

They may not be putting in cash, but they WILL vote for him. Soros has enough cash to make up the difference.

[Nipfan]

What is Operation Brutus?

[AmericaUnited]

It’s what I’m calling Hitlery’s plans to stab Obama in the back... :)

[Cementjungle]

What's he need money for when he gets round the clock free advertising from the MSM?

Besides, I'm definately not counting Hillary out just yet... the convention will be quite entertaining I think.

[mylife]

Not a pretty sight.

[DoughtyOne]

Anyone who thinks we can survive with either of these men isn’t firing on one cylinder.

[indylindy]

Do you think perhaps some of those Hillary donors would donate to FR?

[popdonnelly]

Does this mean the Chinese are backing McCain? );>)

[Lizavetta]

What does it matter? EVery day reports come out how he's getting tens of millions A DAY.

We all know that these donations aren't being investigated. We all know they're coming from the Middle East. They have endless pools of cash thanks to $4 gallon gas. WE are funding B. Hussein whether we like it or not.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm going to go crawl into my wine bottle and try to forget how f****d up everything appears to be.

[AmericaUnited]

Well that’s cute, but I’ll stay in the company of the many prominent conservatives who disagree with you.

[DoughtyOne]

LOL... I hope not.

[tflabo]

Denver....Denver.....Denver....

[peeps36]

I don't blame them for not supporting the communist version of Mr. Potato Head. He's even too corrupt and ignorant for people who support Hillary. How does an intelligent white person support a candidate who hates white people and refuses to admit he's a gay moslum?

[DoughtyOne]

Yeah, that is the general consensus from folks who support McCain.  They dismiss everything.  Nothing matters except getting John elected.

What has John promised to do in his first 100 days in office?  Do you know?  Do you care?

On day one he's going to order Gitmo closed.  If he hates Gitmo that much, what about the other places around the world where we hold terrorists?  Is he going to close them too?  Do you care?

Then in the first 100 days of his administration he's going to push through comprehensive immigration reform.  What will that usher in?  Do you care?

Right now we have between 20 and 35 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

What happens after they are naturalized?  Do you care?

These people will be able to bring in relatives on the chain immigration program.  What happens if these folks bring only two people each?  If they just bring over their parents, a brother or sister, their children, do the numbers begin to worry you?

Then what happens when John sets up a generous work permit visa program?  If John allows 1 to 2 million to come thorugh on those visas each year, does that bother you?

What happens with those who overstay those visas?  Do we just naturalize them in ten years?

Let's say there are 25 million illegal immigrants inside the U.S. today.  They are naturalized over the next five years.  Then they can bring in relatives.

If they bring over two relatives each, that would be 50 million people plus the original 25 million.

If we allow two million work visas per year, that's 20 million in ten years.

Here you go.  25+50+20, why that's 95 million people.  And how many could those naturalized citizens actually bring over?  Well, they could bring over mom, dad, siblings, the sibling's children...  I've been rather reserved with these numbers.

And then there's the issue of the children that will be born to these people over the next ten years.  That could very easily provide another five to ten million people.

Over the next ten years, John's plan could very easily see over 100 million new naturalizations take place.

The current estimated population West of the Mississippi is 127 million.  How would you like to see that increase to near 225 million in ten years?

Well, I wouldn't.  This nation would be changed forever.  Our own culture would be swamped by that of other nations.  Our government services woudl be swamped trying to proved a minimum household income.  Our hospitals and schools would simple melt down.  Many of these people would be retirement age.  They would qualify for social security.

Your flippant answer to the issues McCain would screw us on, refers to my comment as cute.  Yep, this is all real cute.

[jacquej]

Heck, Lizavetta, let’s crawl into a whole box of the cheap white Chardonnay!

[dsutah]

Well I’ll vote for that! hehehehe.. Hmmm not a bad idea, crawling into the wine bottle... Must get some tomorrow!

[AmericaUnited]

Yeah, that is the general consensus from folks who support McCain. They dismiss everything. Nothing matters except getting John elected.

Wrong and that is a perfect example of how people like you with McCain Derangement Syndrome can not think rationally. The truth is NOTHING MATTERS EXCEPT DENYING THE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS MARXIST OBAMA THE PRESIDENCY!!! It's not about McCain at all, IT IS ABOUT OBAMA! What is so hard to understand about that? 95% of thinking conservatives "get that".

[AmericaUnited]

Don’t be clueless. Everthing you posted would be 10X worse under Obama with not a single postive thing, unlike with McCain. Is that somehow “smart” decision making?

[DoughtyOne]

And 100% of the morons get it too.

Does Obama get any opposition to his leftist plans in Congress? Why yes he does. Does McCain get any opposition to his leftist plans in the Congress. Why no he doesn’t.

The Democrats will vote for any leftist tripe John wants. And the Republicans will vote for it as well.

McCain short circuits Conservatism for the length of his term in office. Conservatism thrives under Obama, opposing him on issue after issue.

Do we retake Congress in 2010 under McCain? Not a chance. Do we retake it under Obama? There is a good chance of it.

[DoughtyOne]

Obama has opposition. McCain essentially has none.

Take a good look at what McCain has authored in the Senate. None of it is Conservative in nature.

http://www.hotr.us/mccain/mccainagain.html

[Toki]

Yeah, but just imagine the carnage left in his wake.

/shudders

But since I always try to look on the bright side.

Then again, with one party showing splitting and the other slowing dying off, maybe it would finally give us a new conservative Republicans (or others, I mean alot of young Republicans I know leaned to either Huckabee or Paul). And maybe wake up some just college and just graduated college students that Conservatism is not the enemy. /s

[DoughtyOne]

The problem with our youth being awakened to Conservatism, is that they are not exposed to it. Bush has been Mr. big spender. He hasn’t really ruled as a Conservative. His one big claim to fame, the WOT is really a murky effort.

He’s great on Iraq. He’s terrible here at home. We’ve got Iraq under control, and our own borders are a bloody mess. He said he was going to go after terrorists no matter where they were. “If you’re a terrorist, or a helper of terrorists, we’re coming for you!” Did he go after Hamas, Hezballa, or Fatah?

Bush has been pushing Isreal to make deals with terrorist groups in the interest of peace. Tell me how you do that, make peace with terrorists.

I’m all for our college age kids being turned on to Conservatism. Who is going to turn them on to it? McCain?

First of all, you need a visible Conservative. Where is that visible Conservative.

It’s shameful what we have become.

[AmericaUnited]

It is pure insanity to let your sworn arch enemy WIN, so you can rally your own troops to fight. That’s kookery in the extreme.

[DoughtyOne]

Just so you know, John McCain is my sworn arch enemy. And that being the case, I couldn’t agree more.

[avacado]

"Yeah, that is the general consensus from folks who support McCain. They dismiss everything. Nothing matters except getting John elected."

Actually keeping Obama out of the White House is what matters at this point. I think that is a very patriotic effort for anyone.

"What has John promised to do in his first 100 days in office? Do you know? Do you care?"

I sure do know. For one, he'll work to ensure that the Bush Tax Cuts of 2001 & 2003 do not expire. Don't know about you but I cannot afford for the federal income tax rate to go back up to the year 2000 rate. I'll lose $4K cash from my yearly pay at the higher tax rates. He'll also immediately put an end to this time table withdrawal nonsense and listen to the commanders on the ground in Iraq and in Afghanistan. He's also going to ensure that the border is secure before addressing immigration reform. And he'll be working with Congress to open up domestic oil production and to get nuclear power plants built.

So far, that's a good 100 days!

Now you tell me about Obama's first 100 days! No need to. Just look at the above that I wrote and watch Obama undo all of it in 100 days or less.

[DoughtyOne]

LMAO... yeah you know alright.

And setting up one party leftist rule is no problem at all is it. I should have realized.

I’m not convinced this man will listen to anyone. Has he listened on the matter of amnesty? NO!

As for him securing the border, ask yourself this question.

Why would anyone need to cross illegally, if a generous work visa program would allow them to cross the border legally?

Sure the border will be fixed. It will be fixed with a great big water tap that will be turned on wide open.

You don’t know what McCain ultimate take on taxes will be. He changes his mind all the time. One days he’s against it. The next he’s for it. The next day he’s against it. The next day he’s for it.

Good luck with that.

[AmericaUnited]

There are very good reasons why the majority of prominent conservatives see things as we do. Even Dobson, who swore he would never vote for McCain, is now “getting it” as to what an extreme danger it would be for this country if Obama became POTUS. Some are a little slow on the uptake....

[avacado]

DoughtyOne,

You do what you feel you need to do and I’ll do what I have to do to keep Obama out of the White House. I have two Senators and a Congressman, all of whom are great Conservatives, who work hard and need a Republican in the White House.

I wish you the best!

[DoughtyOne]

That’s okay with me Avacado. I don’t expect folks to adopt my views. I think McCain is going to have a devastating effect on this nation and I won’t be a party to supporting him. I try to explain what I see and let the chips fall where they will.

All the best to you also.

[avacado]

For the record, I ain't happy with McCain either. I'm in the energy industry so you can only imagine how my skin crawls every time that boob mentions global warming. And if we were not in two wars and Obama wasn't a flaming Marxist, I just might allow the DEM nominee into the White House. But that's not the case.

It is indeed unfortunate that we have McCain but at least it will be easier to hold his feet to the fire than that raging Anti-American piece of crap called Obama.

It's a bad poker hand but it's got to be played. The consequences of folding are too brutal.

[DoughtyOne]

I’m not saying this to continue a debate. I still think it’s something that we all need to be aware of.

Obama will have opposition to his leftist plans.

McCain will have both the Democrats and Republicans in Congress behind his.

I understand where you are coming from. We both get exasperated over this election. It’s a real shame what we face this year.

Thanks for the additional comments.

[avacado]

"It’s a real shame what we face this year."

That we can agree on 100%!

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks Avacado.

[Toki]

See I don’t see that true. We may not have any strong leaders who are conservative, but I could plot a chart, as Bush hit more unpopular, the more I became a conservative from a liberal I was when his term started (well a year or two after I was only 12 at the time when he was elected). And consider the fact that I had no one to guide me (my grandmother’s a liberal) and my Uncle Rick who was a conservative, but never pandered.

What I’m trying to state here that young people can wake up. Especially if some one is willing to present the facts to them. Few people are as extreme as the people who control congress. The only ones I know who are truely extreme (by the way, my best friend ever and ex who I’m still friends with) and they are from Canada.

But there is one issue that they have to be converted on though to make them a conservative (or at least I think it’s the defining factor). Thinking Abortion is wrong. Period. I know it’s a cliche almost that this is a factor, but it’s true. Usually that will determine how they will choose their party. (Not always, but usually, even Christians. I know guys who say it’s the girls choice. Loves the environment, etc...).

[DoughtyOne]

What you have done is look at the right and the left and decide you couldn’t back the left. I understand that. It’s how I became a Republican probably. But understanding the actual tenets of Conservatism came later. Some things were just intuitive. Supporting the military was right. Honoring our nation’s flag was right. Loving our nation was right.

It was over a period of time when I became more familiar with the founding principles and other important aspects of Conservatism.

Gut feelings are all well and good to a point. And as long as we want to protect the status quo, this may be okay. But if we truly want this nation to cast off socialism, back away from having a nanny state, and get this nation back on track, it requires more. It requires that understanding of Conservatism.

How can I sell folks on the fiscal responsibility of Conservatism if we’re spending like drunken sailors? How can I say that Conservatives support the Second Amendment if our top Republican files briefs with the Supreme Court that backs the standing of the District of Columbia against gun rights?

If we want to be luke warm Conservatives, fine, settle in to what we have and become comfortable. If we want to get back to the founding principles, then we can’t buy into what is being sold today. We’re so far down the line to absolute government control, it’s just scary. We can’t sign on to this any longer.

[Toki]

So do you think then that having Obama as president will cause Republicans to look back and go to Conservatism original tenants, to be pushed even more left, or to stay where we are?

[DoughtyOne]

So do you think then that having Obama as president will cause Republicans to look back and go to Conservatism original tenants, to be pushed even more left, or to stay where we are?

While I have said what I think would be best for Conservatism and thus the nation, I am not advocating an Obama win or a McCain win.

Under McCain the RNC, the Republicans in Congress, the state level Republican leadership and state and federal candidates and the rank and file move left to support McCain's agenda.  In four or eight years, that takes it's toll.  Can Conservatism rebuild underneath him?  If a third party could be developed and enough good folks could be moved to join, perhaps.  That would be a long process, which would see this third party without a base of members in Congress to move it's agenda, or block bad agenda.  Conservatism would essentially be dormant in our nation.  Under McCain it ceases to be a movement, and would become only a theory.  McCain would rule from the left.  He would get what he wanted out of the Demcrats and Republicans.  It would essentially be one party rule.

After a McCain victory, the RNC would be convinced that they didn't need Conservatives ever again.  Is that the message the Conservatives want to send to the RNC?  At this point in time, that is precisely what they are telling the RNC.

Oh he says some great things today.  In some ways he sounds downright attractive.  And then you look at his record and it's very clear, this man has been on both sides of many issues.  Today he is merely taking the ones that will make him look the most electable.  I can't trust a thing he says.

Under Obama there is obviously a risk of him making decsions that we oppose stridently.  I still don't think folks understand that this will be the case under McCain as well.  Obama will have the Republicans opposing his every move.  McCain will have the Republicans and the Democrats supporting his every move.  Look, he will at least be able to get almost total Democrat support for anything leftist he wants to do.  He will get enough Repbulican backing to ensure he passes whatever he wants to do, and he may in fact get much more Republican support than that.  Today I don't see one Republican leader brave enough or of sound mind enough to take him to task on one single issue.  Frankly, that scares the hell out of me.  Give this guy one party rule?  Is that what we want?

Under Obama the Republicans oppose his plans.  The RNC reaches out to Conservatives to rebuild convinced it screwed up by open support of the leftist likes of McCain.  The rank and file that would be split down the middle during McCain rule, suddenly becomes rock solid against the obvious Obama threat.  Not having an "R" after his name, Obama is fair game.

If Obama wins, he's going to offend an awful lot of people.  Anything negative he does can be pinned on the Demcrats at large.  Would we rather all the bad things McCain does get pinned on Conservatism?  In two years there is a very good chance the Republicans might regain Congress.  Hopefully they have a renewed dedication to Conservatism and sound principles, please Lord altogether different than the Congress of 2000 through 2006.  Does anyone see the Congress coming back to the Republican side under McCain?  And should it come back to the Republican side, does it do it with John McCains or Ronald Reagans?  I think the answer to that is clear.

I see an electrified opposition to Obama that reveals a grass roots to RNC conslidation behind Conservatism, if for no other reason by the RNC, than to recoup support.  I see some real Conservative leaders coming forward, standing up against Obama.  Does anyone see a real Conservative coming forth to oppose McCain.  I sure don't see one now.  If they did, they wouldn't get RNC support.

I don't see McCain as good for this nation.  I see an administration under him to be a clear and present danger.  I see the same thing under Obama.  The one saving grace is if Conservatism is sparked to grow, and finds fertile ground to do so.  Under Obama, most likely.  Under McCain, not a prayer in hell.

That's the way I see it.  It's just one man's opinion.  There are a number of other views out there, so I don't ask folks to simply buy off on this.  If you or they can honestly vote for John McCain thinking he's a sure bet for American, then perhaps you and I see it differently, and there is always the chance you or others who may disagree with me are right.

I don't think so, but hey, we're getting an E Ticket ride this next four years either way.  I just think one way is probably more productive in the long run, than the other.

Those who think seeing Conservatism beaten down for another four or eight years will be helpful to the nation under a leftist Republican leader, don't share my view of what this does to our nation, and it's ability to right itself.

Perhaps I've been going about this all wrong.  Just consider me a Gang of One.  Gangs seem to be pretty popular with Republican leaders.  Maybe by some point I'll get 13 folks to join me.

(This writer is available to appear on weekend political talking head programs.)  (Just trying to grow up to be like John McCain, the best our party has to offer.)