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SemGroup Loses Bets on Oil (one speculator down)
WSJ ^ | 7/24/08 | BRIAN BASKIN

Posted on 07/23/2008 10:58:39 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

The collapse this week of SemGroup LP, a little known private oil-marketing firm, may have played a role in crude oil's 14% drop over the past 10 days.

The Tulsa, Okla., company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Tuesday, citing among other financial woes a loss of at least $2.4 billion in crude-oil futures. Changes in its hedging strategies coincided with big moves in oil recently.

The company had taken out short positions, or bets that crude prices would fall, as a hedging strategy for oil it intended to move through a subsidiary's pipelines and sell to refiners, according to an affidavit filed in Delaware bankruptcy court by Terrence Ronan, SemGroup's senior vice president, finance.

Then, when oil prices rose, SemGroup moved to "cover" its short positions by taking out equivalent long positions, or bets that oil prices would rise.

Eventually, SemGroup was unable to put up collateral for its swelling bets and sold its futures account to Barclays Capital on July 16, according to the affidavit.

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One theory making the rounds in the market is that as SemGroup's long positions snowballed, so did the oil rally. SemGroup's rapid exit from the market removed a force for upward momentum when the market, under siege from negative U.S. economic indicators, needed it most.

"In the three days surrounding that transfer" to Barclays, crude futures "plunged $15.89...thus, with SemGroup removed from the market, crude oil has been free to fall," wrote Stephen Schork, editor of the Schork Report, a newsletter tracking the oil market.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energyprices

1 posted on 07/23/2008 10:58:39 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Anyone else smell a rush to sell off oil futures while the gettin is good?


2 posted on 07/23/2008 11:08:18 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: DGHoodini
I do not believe this one company had the leverage necessary to play any part in crude oil 14% drop.

More supply less demand.

High cost induced the average customer to seek less.

We will never see crude below $90 until we produce more.

3 posted on 07/23/2008 11:22:57 PM PDT by highpockets
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To: highpockets
We will never see crude below $90 until we produce more.

I tend to agree. But then, high prices are driving the public perception that we need to produce more and, in the United States, exploit the untapped resources we have. If prices were to fall back to their original low levels, no one would care.

4 posted on 07/23/2008 11:30:38 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Barack Obama--the first black Jimmy Carter.)
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To: highpockets

Didn’t mean to suggest we would. But i’m thinkin that speculators with weak knees and small profit margins, might want to dump their purchases to cut their losses as oil continues to sink towards $100 a barrel...and in turn, cause a “comparative” run...>Bo)


5 posted on 07/23/2008 11:34:34 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: DGHoodini
10/4.. was not meant as attack, was responding to the article.
6 posted on 07/23/2008 11:40:16 PM PDT by highpockets
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To: highpockets
We will never see crude below $90 until we produce more.

Oil's higher than it should be based upon market fundamentals, and when it drops, it'll drop lower than it should be based on the same criteria. It may eventually find the proper level, but it's likely to overcorrect first.

7 posted on 07/23/2008 11:42:43 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: DGHoodini

Besides, if it went down to $94 a barrel...still way high, but still in all, that’s another $30 a barrel less than the present price.

I think a lot of people would be happy to see oil back in the double digits per barrel, and still be demanding that we drill for our own oil, and still want to buy hybrids and looking forward to other new power sources.


8 posted on 07/23/2008 11:44:06 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: BurbankKarl

They are obviously not very good at hedging. Seems to me, they don’t even understand what it means!


9 posted on 07/23/2008 11:50:19 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: BurbankKarl

It’s good to see leeches die....


10 posted on 07/24/2008 12:27:46 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Watch what happens to oil prices if I’m right, and most people stay close to home for the Labor Day weekend too.

>Bo)

Lots of people are mad as hell about gas prices, and are staying home for “Staycations” and feathering their nests with a big screen TV, or new furniture, new matresses, a home improvement project, all that use little gas, and less than half of what they would have spent on a traveling vacation...
Buying the grandparents a PC with a webcam, and having an in town relative teach them how to do an easy videoconference call to “visit” with the out of town grandchildren any time they want without a road trip involved.


11 posted on 07/24/2008 12:47:25 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: BurbankKarl
"Just think of it as evolution in action".

--- Arthur C. Clarke

12 posted on 07/24/2008 12:49:44 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: rfp1234

Correction: it was Larry Niven, not Clarke.


13 posted on 07/24/2008 12:51:28 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: monkeyshine

$70 hedges turned into $140 hedges.


14 posted on 07/24/2008 12:57:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: highpockets

Horse hockey!

Your very words were uttered by “EXPERTS” during the Carter era.

Gee whiz, do ya think that oil prices might be subject to speculative influence, maybe?

*I* think (from watching this nonsense from afar )
that oil is going to be at UNDER $70/BBL before Christmas.

Call me a short-seller. I betcha!


15 posted on 07/24/2008 12:58:23 AM PDT by Don W (To write with a broken pencil is pointless.)
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To: Don W

Nuthin like an optimistic point of view. <;oD


16 posted on 07/24/2008 1:09:45 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: DGHoodini

I’ll be one of those people...though I might not buy a hybrid. Still, I’ve discovered car pooling is not all that horrible.


17 posted on 07/24/2008 2:58:47 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Then, when oil prices rose, SemGroup moved to "cover" its short positions by taking out equivalent long positions, or bets that oil prices would rise.

Whoever wrote this is a kook! Covering short positions would make the market go UP if at all, not down.

18 posted on 07/24/2008 3:10:24 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: highpockets
I do not believe this one company had the leverage necessary to play any part in crude oil 14% drop.

True. Plus it is nutty ignoranace to state that covering short positions could cause downward pressure on a market. It's just the oposite.

19 posted on 07/24/2008 3:16:36 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: BurbankKarl

One down, 3,749 to go......


20 posted on 07/24/2008 4:18:45 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: highpockets
"More supply - less demand."

What a profound concept. You must have discovered a new economic law. The author of the article certainly didn't understand it.

21 posted on 07/24/2008 4:27:20 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: BurbankKarl

Proof positive that playing both sides of the street is an excellent way to get run over. :-)


22 posted on 07/24/2008 6:38:13 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Psycho_Bunny
It’s good to see leeches die....

Ya but unfortunately in our society the government just props them back up again, sometimes repeatedly.
23 posted on 07/25/2008 1:29:32 PM PDT by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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