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Who is "Fascist" (Thomas Sowell hits the nail on the head)
Townhall ^ | February 14, 2008 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 07/24/2008 11:34:04 AM PDT by djsherin

Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.

Those who value substance over words, however, will find in this book a wealth of challenging insights, backed up by thorough research and brilliant analysis.

This is the sort of book that challenges the fundamental assumptions of its time -- and which, for that reason, is likely to be shunned rather than criticized.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: communism; democrats; fascism; fascists; hateamericafilth; hitler; jonahgoldberg; liberalfascism; liberals; stalin; thomassowell
It's a bit old, but still worth the read.
1 posted on 07/24/2008 11:34:05 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin

If America could regain its sanity it would be Thomas Sowell who would be bearing down on the coronation as America’s “first black President”, not the unaccomplished, class-warfare, affirmative action Marxist from Chicago.


2 posted on 07/24/2008 11:40:25 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: djsherin

bookmark


3 posted on 07/24/2008 11:44:56 AM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: EyeGuy

Ditto that. He’s a great and brilliant man.

One quote struck me:

“Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their brutal military aggressions in the 1930s, did the left distance themselves from these international pariahs.”

Actually, there was one additional trigger required for the left to completely “disown” fascism. Anyone care to guess what that was?


4 posted on 07/24/2008 11:51:35 AM PDT by henkster (Politics is the art of telling a bigger and more believable lie more often than your opponent)
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To: EyeGuy

Agree !!

Sowell for VP....
wouldn’t that be sweet !!


5 posted on 07/24/2008 11:51:38 AM PDT by Thinkin
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To: EyeGuy

here, here. Ken Blackwell would be our governor, too!


6 posted on 07/24/2008 11:52:58 AM PDT by griswold3 (Al qaeda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: EyeGuy
If America could regain its sanity it would be Thomas Sowell who would be bearing down on the coronation as America’s “first black President”, not the unaccomplished, class-warfare, affirmative action Marxist Liberal Fascist from Chicago.
7 posted on 07/24/2008 11:54:02 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: henkster

Probably losing the war...


8 posted on 07/24/2008 11:54:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Oh my coolaide has a fist name, it's B A R A K, my coolaide has a second name it's J U A N Y...)
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To: djsherin
I read Jonah's book, and I have to say it was well-researched and gave a very penetrating analysis of the left.

There was little in the way of the ideas of the left and the fascists that I had not read before; but there was a wealth of detail of which I was previously unaware.

For those that have never before seen that fascists and socialists, particularly commies, are but two sides of the same coin, I highly recommend this book. For those that have previously recognized this face, I still highly recommend this book.

9 posted on 07/24/2008 11:57:03 AM PDT by chesley ( Ya can't make chick'n dumplin's outta chick'n feathers!!)
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To: henkster
“Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their brutal military aggressions in the 1930s, did the left distance themselves from these international pariahs.” Actually, there was one additional trigger required for the left to completely “disown” fascism. Anyone care to guess what that was?

Yeah... Operation Barbarossa. After Hitler signed non aggression pact with the USSR the Liberals all screamed for FDR to back down. But once they attacked Russia all the libs began screaming for America to attack Germany.

I don't understand one thing though. Nazi Germany and the USSR under Stalin were both leftists. They both believed the same things that the Demonrat liberals believe in, (they just keep some of it to themselves though.) What difference would it make for liberals if Stalin did lose?

10 posted on 07/24/2008 11:58:32 AM PDT by mainestategop
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To: DoughtyOne

Nope. The far left had a gushing love-fest with fascism after August 14, 1939, which affair ended suddenly on June 22, 1941.


11 posted on 07/24/2008 11:59:54 AM PDT by henkster (Politics is the art of telling a bigger and more believable lie more often than your opponent)
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To: henkster

They still love fascism, but they understood that they had to keep their heads down for a while or call it something else.


12 posted on 07/24/2008 12:01:50 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: henkster

LOL, the invasion of Russia. There you go, sacred ground to any card carrying leftist.


13 posted on 07/24/2008 12:03:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Oh my coolaide has a fist name, it's B A R A K, my coolaide has a second name it's J U A N Y...)
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To: mainestategop

Stalin was a Marxist. Hitler was merely a Socialist. Both on the Left, and if they were allied it seemed like a good thing to anyone who loved the Left. But when the fighting started, American Leftists had to choose sides — and they preferred the Marxist — the glory of the Bolshevik Revolution was central to the self-image of the Left (”I have seen the future — and it works”).


14 posted on 07/24/2008 12:04:17 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: chesley

I also read the book and highly recommend it as well.


15 posted on 07/24/2008 12:10:32 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: mainestategop; henkster
What difference would it make for liberals if Stalin did lose?

It would have made a huge difference. Stalin was the 'intellectual heir' of Marxism-Leninism which is the lodestone of liberals everywhere. The NYT was one of the principal cheerleaders for that murderous thug, btw.

Since the USSR was the 'birthplace' of socialism, it had to be defended from 'fascism', even though there isn't a dimes bit of difference between them.

L

16 posted on 07/24/2008 12:12:39 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: Lurker
It would have made a huge difference. Stalin was the 'intellectual heir' of Marxism-Leninism which is the lodestone of liberals everywhere. The NYT was one of the principal cheerleaders for that murderous thug, btw.

Actually I heard from Chaim Ben Pesach that the NYT supported Hitler too. The guy who wrote the articles praising Hitler and Stalin won a Pulitzer prize for each article. Ironically the guy was a Jew

17 posted on 07/24/2008 12:15:11 PM PDT by mainestategop
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To: mainestategop
I know his website is banned on FR but I'm going to write about the NYT on my blog about this tomorrow I think.
18 posted on 07/24/2008 12:23:39 PM PDT by mainestategop
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To: henkster

Hitler attacked the USSR, which the left loved even more than the Fascists.


19 posted on 07/24/2008 12:29:30 PM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: henkster

WW2?


20 posted on 07/24/2008 1:09:59 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: Lurker

Well, the dimes worth of difference was that communists are INTERNATIONAL socialists, whereas facists are NATIONAL socialists (hence Nazi, which is short for National Socialist). International socialists export thier theology, but leave local governance in place, even if just as puppets. National socialists must absorb territory, and thereby dispell any fantasy that locals are allowed to have any say in thier own future.

The left wanted the mirage of self rule, while they envisioned themselves pulling the puppets strings (just as they do today ... little realizing that they too are merely puppets for an even greater master). When National Socialists threatened to dismantle the International Socialist beachhead, they chose to support the International Socialists because it was better for them in the long play.


21 posted on 07/24/2008 1:24:43 PM PDT by RainMan
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To: djsherin

bump


22 posted on 07/24/2008 1:26:19 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: djsherin

When I read Jonah’s recent book, I posted at FR that here was a young writer that had risen to the stellar ranks of Sowell and Kirk with a plain logical and honestly written book on the subject of Fascism. Others said, oh, Goldberg isn’t yet that strong is he?

Just buy it and read it and you also will be pleasently stunned as to its quality.


23 posted on 07/24/2008 1:31:34 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: henkster

Hitler attacking the USSR, which was essentially the High Temple of Marxism.


24 posted on 07/24/2008 1:31:42 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. Fight back or STFU!!!)
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To: chesley
Goldberg is right on. He also exposes Obamas political movement for the nascent fascism it truly is.
25 posted on 07/24/2008 1:37:34 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Expose Obama))
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To: KC Burke

I have read it. Extremely well researched and a very good read.


26 posted on 07/24/2008 1:42:21 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: griswold3

I second that motion and move it for the vote !


27 posted on 07/24/2008 2:46:29 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: MrB
They still love fascism, but they understood that they had to keep their heads down for a while or call it something else.

They do they call it liberalism !

28 posted on 07/24/2008 2:47:46 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: EyeGuy
If America could regain its sanity it would be Thomas Sowell who would be bearing down on the coronation as America’s “first black President”, not the unaccomplished, class-warfare, affirmative action Marxist from Chicago.

I'd certainly vote for Sowell, but I'd prefer Walter Williams. He's quite a bit tougher.

29 posted on 07/24/2008 2:58:33 PM PDT by jimt
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To: jan in Colorado

ping for later.


30 posted on 07/27/2008 12:26:18 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (For Barack Hussein Obama TRUTH FILE see my homepage!)
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To: RainMan
communists are INTERNATIONAL socialists, whereas facists are NATIONAL socialists

That is an interesting contribution. We won't use it, mainly because both fascism and communism are dead and the new stuff hasn't yet been given its bourgeois names.

31 posted on 07/27/2008 12:31:10 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: chesley

>>For those that have never before seen that fascists and socialists, particularly commies, are but two sides of the same coin, I highly recommend this book.

I had seen that from reading Hayek. See the 3rd quote on my FR profile page.

As you note, this book really, really gives a wealth of detail about it, that Hayek didn’t cover, since it was really a side comment in a book on another (very important!) topic.


32 posted on 07/31/2008 3:44:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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