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Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law
my way ^ | 7-24-08 | PAUL ELIAS

Posted on 07/24/2008 5:03:15 PM PDT by Nachum

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - The scene repeats itself daily on city streets: a driver gets stuck bumper to bumper, blocking an intersection and preventing another car from turning left.

But authorities say that was enough to cause Edwin Ramos to unload an AK-47 assault weapon on a man and his two sons, killing them.

The deaths immediately drew public outrage, which intensified when authorities revealed that Ramos, 21, is an illegal immigrant who managed to avoid deportation despite previous brushes with the law.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; focus; illegalsinsanfran; killings; sanctuary; turn

1 posted on 07/24/2008 5:03:15 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
"The case has put San Francisco's liberal politics to the test, setting off a debate over its sanctuary law that shields undocumented immigrants from deportation."

Fact, San Francisco's current policy is to ship criminals to San Bernardino County.

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-immig4-2008jul04,0,4668912.story?track=rss

2 posted on 07/24/2008 5:07:52 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Be good and you will be lonesome. FREE LAZAMATAZ!)
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To: Nachum

Sad that it takes a multiple murder of complete innocents to get people to use common sense. I realize this is San Francisco, where everyone is much too smart to be constrained by proletarian concerns like staying alive.


3 posted on 07/24/2008 5:08:22 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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To: All

Chickens....roost....and the remaining few decent folks living in that town must deal with the consequences...


4 posted on 07/24/2008 5:09:01 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Nachum

Same situation in Minneapolis/St.Paul. Illegals cannot be questioned by the LEO’s as to their status, so they roam free. Until they commit another crime outside of these sanctuary cities and we have to foot the bill for their incarceration, prosecution and deportation.


5 posted on 07/24/2008 5:10:07 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" Since 11/20/06)
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To: Steely Tom

Doing the murders Americans just won’t do...

How ironic, the liberals offer sanctuary for illegals, but eject the 2nd Amendment. And yet, the criminals care not a whit...you’ve just given them a safe playground.

I still wish that guy wouldn’t have given Putz Newsom the codes.


6 posted on 07/24/2008 5:18:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Nachum
Sodom by the Sea is a comic book that makes Sin City look like Tom Sawyer.
7 posted on 07/24/2008 5:23:47 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
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To: Nachum

This can’t be true. SF doesn’t allow anyone to own an AK47, right? What a bunch of a**hats run this city and, actually, our state(unfortunately I live in CA).


8 posted on 07/24/2008 5:30:17 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Nachum

“AK-47 assault weapon”

That’s as far as you need to read... The continued characterization of some shoulder fired weapons as ‘assault weapons’ only serves to continue the sterotypes used by the gun control freaks.


9 posted on 07/24/2008 5:42:52 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: Nachum

Denver is a sanctuary city as well. An illegal, working in Mayor Hickenlooper’s restaurant, despite a criminal record, shot and killed a police officer who was hired to keep order at a baptism party in Denver.

He escaped to Mexico and after a lot of legal wrangling and a promise not to impose the death penalty on the murderous dog, he was returned to Denver.


10 posted on 07/24/2008 5:58:11 PM PDT by Carley
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To: PubliusMM

If you actually showed any of these anti-2A morons a REAL “room broom” they’d have a freakin’ coronary right on the spot.


11 posted on 07/24/2008 6:05:12 PM PDT by HKMk23 (A Magician won't tell you what happened. A Journalist will tell you what didn't.)
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To: Carley

If there were any REAL justice, that last sentence of yours would end, “...whereupon he was hanged.”


12 posted on 07/24/2008 6:06:20 PM PDT by HKMk23 (A Magician won't tell you what happened. A Journalist will tell you what didn't.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“Until they commit another crime outside of these sanctuary cities and we have to foot the bill for their incarceration, prosecution and deportation.”

Why go through all that rigmarole? Just shoot them during the course and scope of their criminal activity, which must necessarily extend to anything they are doing.


13 posted on 07/24/2008 6:07:27 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Nachum

Cities — their Mayors and City Councils should be legally liable for the consequences of their INTENTIONAL and FLAUNTED violation of FEDERAL or STATE Laws.

To designate a city, “Sanctuary City” - is simply hanging out a sign to “come here for safety and support” to every illegal immigrant AND criminal.

The fact these criminals PREY ON THE INNOCENT — apparently was of little concern to the stupidvisors or Mayor of San Francisco..

Perhaps if they are sued for 10’s of Millions for every crime committed by those they welcome, protect, support and sustain — they will reconsider their typically destructive Liberal Leftist stupidity.


14 posted on 07/24/2008 6:10:08 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: HKMk23

There is no justice for victims of crime in this country. All the Courts lean towards the criminals.

Root causes, you know.


15 posted on 07/24/2008 6:13:17 PM PDT by Carley
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To: ought-six

Understand that these illegal-alien-criminals in these sanctuary cities receive the highest level of coddling available.

In Minneapolis and St.Paul, their odds of coming afoul of a permitted gun owner are razor thin. These are cities owned, operated and populated by leftist, socialist, marxists...

(Think...Keith Ellison)

Yjey commit their crimes in these areas because they know that they’ll get away with it. Just like in the bathhouse that is San Fran.


16 posted on 07/24/2008 6:14:36 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" Since 11/20/06)
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To: Carley

“He escaped to Mexico and after a lot of legal wrangling and a promise not to impose the death penalty on the murderous dog, he was returned to Denver.”

That would not have happened in Louisiana. Oh, Louisiana cops would have picked him up, allright, and put him in a car or a van to transport him to some holding facility, etc. But, he necessarily would have had to take a pee during the journey (which, incidentally, would have had to go through the Atchafalaya Basin); and, as he was let out of the vehicle to relieve himself — and the police officers, not wanting to cause him any embarrassment while he was peeing, would of course have to turn their heads away — he disappeared (no doubt fleeing into the bayous). And the police would just have to continue on their way, and when they arrived at their destination would swear the guy escaped. He would have escaped, allright, with a body full of lead and being digested in the juices of some alligator’s stomach.


17 posted on 07/24/2008 6:20:37 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Nachum

...well they need to raise taxes....

(/sarcasm)


18 posted on 07/24/2008 6:33:22 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: Nachum

It looks like the insurgency in San Fransisco has dug in and is planning to make this a long bloody war. Any sane person would say its time to cut and run.


19 posted on 07/24/2008 6:40:03 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Nachum

To the liberals of San Fran, what’s another dead family or two? How do the city officials of that cesspool of a city sleep at night?


20 posted on 07/24/2008 6:44:07 PM PDT by twntaipan (Dump the Drill-nothing Democrats: Lower fuel costs in the process!)
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To: Carley

As I’ve often said, the only justice is vigilante justice. If ordinary people started to take the law into their own hands and get away with it, the libs would quickly change their tune and enforce the laws. They would start by trying to enforce the law against the vigilantes, but there is a limit to the degree they can do that due to jury nullification.


21 posted on 07/24/2008 6:48:36 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Carley
This is how San Franciscans used to deal with troublemakers.


22 posted on 07/24/2008 6:49:53 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner

Some people were hung at Portsmouth Square, which started as the center of SF. Did not think there were any pics. Those were the good old days, brothels, saloons, gambling halls and very few laws except the ones that counted.


23 posted on 07/24/2008 7:12:38 PM PDT by roadcat
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